2013 Slimming Thread

[1.2f]

I'm talking to an ignorant wasak unable to converse like a human.

Come on Phil, John hasn't really said anything out of order.

 

[Damian Brown]

At this stage in the game I'm reluctant to publish that information based on recent barbaric attitudes.

They might get published on a forum

Add me to the barbaric attitudes then mate because I simply asked to hear your ideas. Not some mythical proposal

 

[1.2f]

With respect...Would you like me to go into detail or let you continue thinking wrongly??

Please go into detail.....

 

[1.2f]

Misunderstood BIG time.

I've eaten carbs as my last meal and you can see the results above. I'm talking proper starchy carbs too.

Most people don't understand the biochemistry behind fat reduction and simply listen to the myths that surround it...

Such as:

No carbs before bed...or at all!
Exercise all the time.
No sugar.
Lots of protein.

Please elaborate further.......

 

[1.2f]

Phil either back up what you say or retract your comments.

 

[Damian Brown]

Phil either back up what you say or retract your comments.

He can't retract his comments because that'd add up to some serious exercise

 

[1.2f]

My results so far guys after 37 days:

And skinfold measurements for those that know...

Only 1 session of kickboxing a week and even that, I've put the fat BACK in to prove the point of exercise not being a major influencing factor in fat reduction.

Eating mostly carbs.

Not worrying about GI scale - it's a pretty even split between sugars and starches.

Still having treats! In my 37 days I have had: 6 krispy kremes, 3 pizzas, Chinese, 2 brownies, 3 packs of sweets (100g bags) & a triple chocolate muffin!

As you can see, all my weight loss is fat and my lean body weight (muscle mass amongst bones) has gone up. My body fat percentage is considerably lower - this is 3 notches on the belt & around 3 inches from the waistline. Muscles in the chest and shoulder are much more visible and I'm almost at the halfway mark of my goal (9% body fat).

By far, these results are amongst the best I've ever achieved and indeed seen!

VERY motivational to see / know.

Keep focused on what you want folks - don't get too hung up in the short term goals!

Please explain the science behind this way of dieting/losing weight/bf loss etc.....

 

[1.2f]

He can't retract his comments because that'd add up to some serious exercise

Only if you breath in when you retract either wise it won't work..... Lol

 

[Phil Young]

You's have to slow down, I'm at work!!

Right. Ignoring John for a second because I understand what's going on there - he is set in his ways of thinking and anything else that goes against it is "wrong".

Don't worry John, I'm actually very well qualified in personal training, biomechanics and nutrition - I am talking from knowledge and if you were more interested in the science than being proved wrong then you would listen. Instead you try to be so assertive that I look discredited enough for others to doubt me: that's fine, you're not a client and neither have they.

Anyway.

In a nutshell:

People are first under the impression that movement accounts for a large portion of their calories and whilst this could be true for a very active individual, actually most of us use most of our energy from the muscle cells in our organs.

These cells are fueled with fat.

John mentioned the gluconeogenic pathway and fat is part of this.

We are constantly use fat, all the time - we don't need to try or take supplements as we are constantly using existing fat from our storage cells.

However:

Unlike amino acids (protein) and glucose directly broken down from glycogen (carbohydrates), fat has a precursor before it can be used for energy.

This precursor (pyruvic acid) comes from glucose that has been broken down already (either carbs or protein).

So in essence: you will always be using fat, your choice in the foods you intake is weather to get that precursor from carbs, or protein.

Modern keto or paleo diets aren't aware of the above and assume insulin resistance is the root cause of problems, therefore eliminating carbs. But this causes them to produce pyruvic acid from amino acids either in their diet and or their muscles.

With that comes it's flaws and side effects as anyone on such a diet will know about.

There are many pros for carbs, one of which is that whilst protein builds muscle, carbohydrates retain them.

That's the science, I can post sources when I'm home later but that is the way it is like it or lump it. That's not an opinion, that's not my theory, that is just how it is.

I'm merely putting this science to the test in myself and it is so far correct.

John seems to think I'll stop reducing fat easily at some stage whilst I maintain there isn't a foreseeable reason for that.

 

[London Headshots]

Phil, can you please explain how you gained 1kg of muscle on a diet consisting of 0 fat, and 0 protein?

I only ask because of the following:

In order to create a hypertrophic environment in the body, that is an environment suitable for muscle growth, you have to have a positive nitrogen balance within the muscle cells.

Now, in order to build muscle, you need amino acids. There are 8 essential amino acids, and I think 12 non-essential amino acids (fun fact: The only food that contains all 8 is an egg). The 12 non-essential amino acids can be synthesised by the liver, but the remaining 8 essentials - which are critical for muscle growth - must come from food. The only food group that contains these minerals is protein. They are only available through diet. Without taking these minerals in, you cannot create an environment for muscle growth. It's biologically impossible.

Of the three macronutrient groups (carbs, proteins, fats), all three contain oxygen, carbon and hydrogen. However, it requires those three and nitrogen before the body can synthesise muscle tissue. The only macro group that contains nitrogen is protein.

Muscle growth occurs ONLY when nitrogen input is greater than nitrogen output, so I ask you, on a diet of only suger, how were you able to achieve this?

Why do I say suger? Well, because you said 0 fat as well, so that doesn't leave a single available food source for you to eat other than suger.

Also, there's one other thing.. You said you consumed only suger, but you lost weight. How is that possible? Raw suger will create a surge in the pancreas, which will in turn cause a massive insulin spike. Insulin is an anabolic storage hormone, regulated by the pancreas, which is used to clear the blood of excess suger. Since you're consuming only suger in your diet, which inevitably means short-chain carbohydrates, which are a fast response energy source, you would inevitably end up storing those as fat, since the body wouldn't be able to utilise such a fast assimilating food source at the rate you would be active with "no exercise".

Like I say, all of what you're saying is biologically impossible, and everything I've said there can be backed up by anyone who wants to spend 40 seconds on Google.

It's an absolute physical impossibility for you to gain muscle, or maintain it, on a diet of only suger. You'd be diabetic within a week. That's how stupid your lies are. They aren't just mildly unbelievable, they are disproportionately stupid.

 

[London Headshots]

You's have to slow down, I'm at work!!

Right. Ignoring John for a second because I understand what's going on there - he is set in his ways of thinking and anything else that goes against it is "wrong".

Don't worry John, I'm actually very well qualified in personal training, biomechanics and nutrition - I am talking from knowledge and if you were more interested in the science than being proved wrong then you would listen. Instead you try to be so assertive that I look discredited enough for others to doubt me: that's fine, you're not a client and neither have they.

What are your qualifications? Why can't you just type them out with your keyboard. What university is your degree from? What organisation awarded you your personal training certificates, and what certificates do you have? Why aren't your qualifications available on your website, just like they are on the websites of every other personal trainer who has them?

Anyway.

In a nutshell:

People are first under the impression that movement accounts for a large portion of their calories and whilst this could be true for a very active individual, actually most of us use most of our energy from the muscle cells in our organs.

These cells are fueled with fat.

John mentioned the gluconeogenic pathway and fat is part of this.

We are constantly use fat, all the time - we don't need to try or take supplements as we are constantly using existing fat from our storage cells.

However:

Unlike amino acids (protein) and glucose directly broken down from glycogen (carbohydrates), fat has a precursor before it can be used for energy.

This precursor (pyruvic acid) comes from glucose that has been broken down already (either carbs or protein).

So in essence: you will always be using fat, your choice in the foods you intake is weather to get that precursor from carbs, or protein.

Modern keto or paleo diets aren't aware of the above and assume insulin resistance is the root cause of problems, therefore eliminating carbs. But this causes them to produce pyruvic acid from amino acids either in their diet and or their muscles.

With that comes it's flaws and side effects as anyone on such a diet will know about.

There are many pros for carbs, one of which is that whilst protein builds muscle, carbohydrates retain them.

That's the science, I can post sources when I'm home later but that is the way it is like it or lump it. That's not an opinion, that's not my theory, that is just how it is.

I'm merely putting this science to the test in myself and it is so far correct.

John seems to think I'll stop reducing fat easily at some stage whilst I maintain there isn't a foreseeable reason for that.

Again, you haven't responded to any of the questions put to you with this reply.

Firstly, amino acides aren't broken down FROM glycogen. Glycogen is a stored energy created from the breakdown of glucose via the enzyme Glucosynthase. You cannot store amino acids. Glycogen is a polysaccharide stored in the liver and muscle tissue that can only be converted back to glucose. The only protein glucose contains is glycogenin, which is used solely as an energy source during breakdown and conversion.

Carbohydrates do not retain muscle. They SPARE protein. That means in the presence of stored carbohydrates in the form of glycogen, the body will use those reserves if a faster energy source (protein) is not required.

Again, though, despite what you just said being pretty much wrong, it doesn't answer any of the challenges made to you thus far.

You have, essentially, ignored everything you'd been asked.

Do you have a biochemistry degree?

 

[Phil Young]

John.

Honestly, I'm done. You are quite irritating. I've supplied an attempt to converse but this is stupid: you're so interested in who I am and so so so closed minded. For example, do you really think a few sweets will surge insulin to reduce blood glucose???

If I said 0g fat which I can't remember saying then that would be wrong, it's low fat but not no fat.

Did I say my diet is all sugar???

Anyway, I'm pretty much done talking to you, you're not open for discussion and that's not a discussion I want to be part of.

 

[London Headshots]

John.

For example, do you really think a few sweets will surge insulin to reduce blood glucose???

"Many people feel so tired after eating cake or cookies they have to lie down. That's because sugar wreaks havoc on your metabolism, quickly raising your blood glucose (sugar) levels and, in turn, forcing your pancreas to release insulin. The insulin then lowers your blood sugar levels quickly, which makes you feel tired."

Again, Phil, since you have no clue about any of this - the presence of any short chain carbohydrate in the bloodstream will be removed with insulin. In the presence of no insulin, then it will be handled by IGF-1, or Insulin-like Growth Factor

If I said 0g fat which I can't remember saying then that would be wrong, it's low fat but not no fat.

Did I say my diet is all sugar???

Please see:

I recently took up a bet with a colleague where I just ate carbs, did 0hrs exercise & no protein. He done 4hrs exercise, had only fats and protein and no carbs.

It says right there that you just ate carbs. Which means you only ate suger. If you'd have been telling a different lie, you'd have said "I just ate carbs and fats".

Anyway, I'm pretty much done talking to you, you're not open for discussion and that's not a discussion I want to be part of.

You haven't done any talking, yet, Phil, you've just done plenty of lying and deflecting.

 

[London Headshots]

Phil, do you have a biochemistry degree?

Are you a qualified to personal train, and if so, with what body do you hold your qualification?

Why does your website list none of your credentials?

 

[London Headshots]

Here's an example of a proper personal trainer called Phil. This is a good friend of mine, Phil Hudson, from Guildford in Surrey. I rate his knowledge up there with some of the best in this country.

http://www.higherfitness.co.uk/

See how he's C.H.E.K qualified? That's six years of study. See how he lists all of his qualifications on his website?

That's what qualified personal trainers do.. They list their credentials. When they don't list their credentials (which never happens), they always provide them when asked. Especially when being called out as a liar.

So, again, Phil - what are your qualifications in this area, and do you hold a biochemistry degree?

 

[Phil Young]

"Many people feel so tired after eating cake or cookies they have to lie down. That's because sugar wreaks havoc on your metabolism, quickly raising your blood glucose (sugar) levels and, in turn, forcing your pancreas to release insulin. The insulin then lowers your blood sugar levels quickly, which makes you feel tired."

It says right there that you just ate carbs. Which means you only ate suger. If you'd have been telling a different lie, you'd have said "I just ate carbs and fats".

You haven't done any talking, yet, Phil, you've just done plenty of lying and deflecting.

Lol what have I lied about?!?

And a slice of cake won't make you tired don't be silly - there's not nearly enough focused derived from it to cause any serious insulin secretions.

3 slices and we're talking!

 

[Phil Young]

Here's an example of a proper personal trainer called Phil. This is a good friend of mine, Phil Hudson, from Guildford in Surrey. I rate his knowledge up there with some of the best in this country.

Lol does he agree with you then about whatever you say

 

[Phil Young]

John.

Why don't you wait until the date I've claimed to be 9% with mostly carbs, no muscle loss or the aid of exercise and then question my knowledge...???

At the moment you're getting very heated over your beliefs, not even open to accept anything from anyone by the looks of it.

 

[London Headshots]

Phil, here's a post from this thread from January:

Hmmm...I should probably be involved in this thread...

My credentials

Take a look at this article. It's a bit sciency but an interesting read

Your "credentials" appear to just be a link to a website that contains no credentials. What's up with that? Did you forget to put them in?

 

[London Headshots]

Lol what have I lied about?!?

And a slice of cake won't make you tired don't be silly - there's not nearly enough focused derived from it to cause any serious insulin secretions.

3 slices and we're talking!

I never said it would make you tried. I said it caused an insulin release. Which you denied (despite it being simple biology).

 

[London Headshots]

Lol does he agree with you then about whatever you say

No, he knows more about this than I ever will. He's a legitimate personal trainer. Unlike you.

 

[London Headshots]

John.

Why don't you wait until the date I've claimed to be 9% with mostly carbs, no muscle loss or the aid of exercise and then question my knowledge...???

At the moment you're getting very heated over your beliefs, not even open to accept anything from anyone by the looks of it.

Phil, here's the problem. You haven't posited any beliefs. You've been asked them over and over, you've been asked to explain your beliefs, the science behind those beliefs, and every time you've avoided doing so.

I haven't posted any beliefs of any kind. I've posted nothing more than facts which can be backed up in one ten minute visit to Wikipedia.

Please, feel free to prove me wrong. Feel free to do ANYTHING other than show me that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about on this subject.

What are your personal training qualifications, and do you have a degree in biochemistry?

 

[Phil Young]

No, he knows more about this than I ever will. He's a legitimate personal trainer. Unlike you.

Lol you're getting so irritated. You can badmouth my knowledge all you like but like you said... results speak more than words so let's converse again in July??

I've told you I'm qualified. But you won't accept it... that's fine, I don't need to prove anything to someone that clearly doesn't even want to be open to the possibility of improving upon ones knowledge.

 

[London Headshots]

Phil, I just Googled "personal trainer" and ironically, the first site in the results was a trainer's site who uses exactly the same theme as you do for your website.

http://www.pgpersonaltraining.com/

If you go to "about Pete", can you see how he lists his qualifications?

I checked the first ten results of Google, and all of the websites list the PT's qualifications.

You don't have any qualifications, do you, Phil?

I like this quote from your website:

I do not concentrate all my energy on making sure you have 100% correct posture for a squat - that's boring.

Yeah, making sure your clients have correct form during the most potentially dangerous exercise imaginable is just plain boring.

Correct form is boring!

Arch that back, crank that neck!

 

[Phil Young]

Phil, here's the problem. You haven't posited any beliefs. You've been asked them over and over, you've been asked to explain your beliefs, the science behind those beliefs, and every time you've avoided doing so.

I haven't posted any beliefs of any kind. I've posted nothing more than facts which can be backed up in one ten minute visit to Wikipedia.

Please, feel free to prove me wrong. Feel free to do ANYTHING other than show me that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about on this subject.

What are your personal training qualifications, and do you have a degree in biochemistry?

That may have been possible if you hadn't got like a deranged primate and spoke to me without insulting my professional or knowledge before you have any idea about the science behind my actions.

No. You spoke out that I'm wrong because you're a hot headed bodybuilder therefore you're right.

Fine.

9th July like I said.

 

[Phil Young]

John, I've told you I'm qualified, it's up to you weather you believe me or not, I don't care either way.

 

[London Headshots]

Again, you're the only person actually levying direct insults here. I'm just challenging your knowledge. I think you're dangerously unqualified.

 

[London Headshots]

John, I've told you I'm qualified, it's up to you weather you believe me or not, I don't care either way.

I don't believe you. I don't believe you're qualified. This isn't a matter of pride. This isn't something personal like religion. It's about personal training qualifications. Of which you have none.

You haven't rebutted a single point I've made in this entire thread, because you can't.

Look here:

http://www.philyoungpt.co.uk/#!repairs/cuy0

Why does your "bodyfat blitz" program use stock photography? Why does your personal training section have a stock photograph of a personal trainer?

Look at your competitor here:

http://www.pgpersonaltraining.com/#!personaltraining/cuy0

He uses photographs of himself in every single shot.

You know why? Because he actually trains people.

You don't. You have no training footprint of any kind, save for one picture of an overweight women who was still overweight when she finished her "transformation".

There's nothing about you which is even remotely credible.

Your Facebook page is nothing more than a 2 year series of personal updates about how great you are, and about how everyone else in the industry is wrong. No testimonials, no images of clients, no interactions on the page with clients of any kind. Only 33 likes, likely to be all people who just happen to know you.

You're one of those guys who inhabits areas where knowledge of your subject is limited, so as to lord it over other people and pretend you know what you're talking about, while ensuring nobody is around to challenge you. It's why you're in here on a photography forum mocking people for their achievements and telling everyone else they're wrong. You wouldn't make this thread on Bodybuilding.com, or the ironlife forums, or even the Men's Health forums for that matter, because you''d get bloody laughed at.

Your biggest downfall was me happening across this thread and saving a bunch of people from taking your **** advice.

In that sense, I'm a local hero.

*disappears behind cape*

 

[Phil Young]

John. You're a wasak. I've told you I'm qualified, very highly in both nutrition and biomechanics in fact. You're doing everything you can to discredit me which is your privilege, and if you want to spend your day doing so I can't stop you. To you, I'm an unqualified dangerous PT, and to me, you're a hot headed imbecile...each to their own.

I'm happy to accept my website isn't up to scratch and right now it's not a priority. I'm happy to accept I have a rubbish facebook page. And finally I'm happy time accept you have done well in building yourself what looks to be a good physique.

...But in spite of all that, I'm still right about carbs

 

[Phil Young]

Whats also funny John is that you would research my whole life if you could and I haven't even bothered to visit your profile lol.

You see what's important to you is finding out who I am, what's important to me is results.

You are hiding your own insecurities behind some kind of crusade to hopefully find something about me that discredits me in order to prove to your peers you are right.

Pretty sad mate.

 

[London Headshots]

Phil, you haven't visited my profile. Well done. File that with everything else you haven't done in this thread.

 

[Phil Young]

Phil, you haven't visited my profile. Well done. File that with everything else you haven't done in this thread.

Just seems like you're threatened that somebody with an inferior physique could possibly know more, with his wild theories lol.

I'm pretty sure you won't accept what I say even if I got down to 4% with just carbs... the amino acids have interfered with your ability to reason and listen!

Never mind, you won't be the last to doubt that carbs can be a bit help in fat reduction...

I haven't looked but I bet if I do I'll find you're the type of person to defend your photos when critiqued...

 

[London Headshots]

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=411345

There you go, Phil. That's the last thread I had a critique in.

I've done all I can do here and I've got a product to shoot, so I'm going to get on with that.

 

[1.2f]

Just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding what your saying Phil, you've stated within this thread that based on this diet that your on which has little to no exercise involved. You are able to increase your muscle mass whilst also reducing your body fat?

 

[Phil Young]

Just to make sure I'm not misunderstanding what your saying Phil, you've stated within this thread that based on this diet that your on which has little to no exercise involved. You are able to increase your muscle mass whilst also reducing your body fat?

Maintain muscle tissue.

I will increased to whatever my natural lean body weight should be when a rubbish diet isn't sacrificing muscle tissue for energy.

So although there's a slight increase but it's more correct to say maintain.

You have the evidence and figures of this in previous posts. This should continue until I change my diet which I'm taking myself up to 9% (which I should be by July the 9th). I may or may not go lower than that after, we'll see what the results are at 9% / 68kg lean weight.

 

[London Headshots]

I've started a diet. Just so show the morons how moronic they are with their protein and stuff.

This diet contains nothing but crushed up memory cards.

I am going to consume nothing but memory cards (Kingston brand, they're cheaper) for 12 weeks and my aim is to go from 9% bodyfat, which I'm currently at, down to -17%.

I've been on the diet for 35 minutes, and so far here is my progress:

Start:

Bodyweight 77kg
bf: 9%
Physical appearance: hot


Currently: 98kg
bf: -3%
Physical appearance: Smoking!

As you can see, I've gained bodyweight, but I've lost body fat, which means this diet rocks! I'm right on track, and this is all the evidence you need. I will be updating this thread with my progress as I go on. SCIENCE, BABY!

 

[Phil Young]

I've started a diet. Just so show the morons how moronic they are with their protein and stuff.

This diet contains nothing but crushed up memory cards.

I am going to consume nothing but memory cards (Kingston brand, they're cheaper) for 12 weeks and my aim is to go from 9% bodyfat, which I'm currently at, down to -17%.

I've been on the diet for 35 minutes, and so far here is my progress:

Start:

Bodyweight 77kg
bf: 9%
Physical appearance: hot

Currently: 98kg
bf: -3%
Physical appearance: Smoking!

As you can see, I've gained bodyweight, but I've lost body fat, which means this diet rocks! I'm right on track, and this is all the evidence you need. I will be updating this thread with my progress as I go on. SCIENCE, BABY!

Which is obviously not as good as a keto diet which you love because it gives negative symptoms such as bad breath, hypoglycemia, constipation, poor concentrating, mood swings and generally annoying to be around...

And I'm the one that advises wrongly and "dangerously".

...weird.

 

[TriggerHappy]

I've started a diet. Just so show the morons how moronic they are with their protein and stuff.

This diet contains nothing but crushed up memory cards.

I am going to consume nothing but memory cards (Kingston brand, they're cheaper) for 12 weeks and my aim is to go from 9% bodyfat, which I'm currently at, down to -17%.

I've been on the diet for 35 minutes, and so far here is my progress:

Start:

Bodyweight 77kg
bf: 9%
Physical appearance: hot


Currently: 98kg
bf: -3%
Physical appearance: Smoking!

As you can see, I've gained bodyweight, but I've lost body fat, which means this diet rocks! I'm right on track, and this is all the evidence you need. I will be updating this thread with my progress as I go on. SCIENCE, BABY!

Gives a knew meaning to the phrase "data dump"

 

[London Headshots]

Update:

Just switched from CF cards to SD cards because they're smaller and easier to swallow.

Been on the diet another 20 minutes, here are my stats:

Bodyweight: 380kg
bf: 0%
Skin: Green
Trousers: Ripped

As you can see, switching to SD cards has caused a jump in body fat back up to 0%, I didn't account for the new storage capacity of current SD cards, but it's easy enough to control now that I know how many calories there are in 64gb.

The upside is that I've turned into the Incredible Hulk.

As we can see, this diet is way better than Phil's crappy carb diet. If you want to see the science, just read this post again, all the information you need is right there.

Will update again soon.

 

[Phil Young]

Update:

Just switched from CF cards to SD cards because they're smaller and easier to swallow.

Been on the diet another 20 minutes, here are my stats:

Bodyweight: 380kg
bf: 0%
Skin: Green
Trousers: Ripped

As you can see, switching to SD cards has caused a jump in body fat back up to 0%, I didn't account for the new storage capacity of current SD cards, but it's easy enough to control now that I know how many calories there are in 64gb.

The upside is that I've turned into the incredible Hulk.

As we can see, this diet is way better than Phil's crappy carb diet. If you want to see the science, just read this post again, all the information you need is right there.

Will update again soon.

Being pathetic and ignorant at the same time won't change the way cells work sir.