2013 Slimming Thread

[Phil Young]

Yeah, I used to read up about mitochondria and got pretty deep into the chemical side of nutrition for a while. Like I say, I was very serious about it.

But then I realised that knowing that didn't make me any better at losing body fat. What made me good at losing body fat was controlling calories and training properly. Dieting's really simple. Whether you're carb cycling, carb-depleting, dropping water, or in ketosis, it's all just plain common sense.

You say uphill walking, but that's a pretty stupid form of cardio, and it's not really done these days. I would suggest you forget about bodybuilders ignorance and start looking at your own. You're operating on a lot of false assumptions about me, and about bodybuilders in general.

These days we do interval sprints; they're amazing. Especially once you hit the single digit bf.

And for your information, I didn't get lean on chicken and beef, I ate a varied diet.

Obviously being 28% bodyfat, which is just another way of saying "I'm fat", you've got a bit of a chip on your shoulder, because despite all of that knowledge, you haven't been able to keep the pounds off.

The proof is in the pudding, ironically.

Good luck with your diet, bro, hopefully once you hit your target, your massive attitude problem in regards to everyone around you will have at least some justification.

Of course, until then, you're just some out-of-shape fat guy.

I'm still perplexed why you'd make a transformation video just to attack bodybuilders. Haven't you ever thought of doing something for yourself and not to disparage other people?

Oh dear... assumptions assumptions.

I got to 28% as part of my promo video (phase 1) to promote my new programme and service. Before advising others, I put myself through it to set the bench mark.

The plus side of that is that people that don't believe the target will hopefully be intrigued.

HIIT. excellent.

So you use a whopping 20g of fat in your workout... oh but I'm forgetting about EPOC which if you look for it you will find despite raising metabolism, doesn't increase fat oxidation.

You can talk text book if you want...but you would lose.

I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I get irritated by ignorant people that doubt the results are possible due to their own lack of understanding, then having the cheek to call me ignorant because I've heard the same rubbish from too many people about how to get lean which is so unnecessary in all it's extremes, but will they listen to reason... no.

You have dismissed the possibility of being wrong about steady bf loss without exercise or protein or sprinting etc, without even asking how.

That my friend... is ignorant.

 

[Phil Young]

Also, just as an addendum. You talk about bodybuilders "spending way to much time of their life", but you're the one with a facebook page dedicated to updates about your bloody diet! 33 likes. Strong marketing.

By the way, Phil, I know you're an expert on all this stuff, and I'm just a moron bodybuilder who doesn't know what he's talking about, but your Facebook page states that there are 56,000 calories in a stone of body fat. It's actually 49,000.

But hey, you're probably still right some how!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=215845601810211&set=pb.215841368477301.-2207520000.1367542960.&type=3&theater

Amazing transformation, brother. I'll shut my mouth now, I can see I'm dealing with a real pro.

You can see I hadn't been very active with my page, I my .com website what had 150 hits a day was down for a while before I went to .co.uk recently. I'm not focusing on businesses right now and only have a few clients, my short term goal is purely related to my wife's visa. Long term is full time PT again, hence the transformation video which will be better than before.

My video 2 years ago was aimed at getting the average client a lot leaner in a very short space of time - it wasn't aimed at the normal business man that wants to be super ripped and competing.

That video actually played it's part in my wife being my wife so aside from business, it was well worth it.

Anyway, you have your assumptions about me and I have mine about you.

Bottom line is: you don't think I can continue over 1% a week loss as I get leaner, and I will come back to you when I prove you wrong.

 

[London Headshots]

Yeah, you got to 28% as "part of your promo video".

Honestly, I would believe you if your facebook page had a single shot of you actually in-shape.

The funniest part is that on the previous page, I said exactly the same thing you did. That you don't need exercise to lose weight.

Yeah, HIIT gets me looking like this:

Whereas your amazing textbook knowledge gets you looking like this:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...477301.-2207520000.1367543962.&type=3&theater

SHREDDED.

I know whose knowledge I'm going to rely on!

And yeah, HIIT sucks!

"Long aerobic workouts have been promoted as the best method to reduce fat, as it is popularly believed that fatty acid utilization usually occurs after at least 30 minutes of training.[citation needed] HIIT is somewhat counterintuitive in this regard, but has nonetheless been shown to burn fat more effectively.[13][22] There may be a number of factors that contribute to this, including an increase in resting metabolic rate. HIIT also significantly lowers insulin resistance and causes skeletal muscle adaptations that result in enhanced skeletal muscle fat oxidation and improved glucose tolerance.[22]
Timmons' group has shown that two weeks of HIIT can substantially improve insulin action in young healthy men.[23] In the aforementioned Horizon documentary, Michael Mosley, a borderline diabetic, saw a 24% improvement in insulin sensitivity after 4 weeks of Timmons' 3x20-sec HIIT regime, exactly in line with Timmons' larger studies.[12] Gibala's group reported a 35% increase in both insulin sensitivity and muscle oxidative capacity among seven sedentary people after just two weeks on the lower-intensity regime outlined above.[11] Timmons believes that this response is down to HIIT using 80% of muscles in the body, compared to 40% for gentle jogging and cycling.[12] Similarly, in young women, HIIT three times per week for 15 weeks compared to the same frequency of steady state exercise (SSE) was associated with significant reductions in total body fat, subcutaneous leg and trunk fat, and insulin resistance.[24] HIIT may therefore help to prevent type-2 diabetes."

And no I HAVEN'T dismissed the possibility of "being wrong" about steady bf loss, given that I NEVER disputed it in the first place.

Honestly, Phil, you seem like one of those dime-a-dozen personal trainers who talk a lot about how everyone else is wrong, yet don't seem to have the physique to actually back their claims up.

People who really know what they're doing stay in shape year round. They don't get massively fat just to prove a point. Especially given when they weren't even in-shape before they got fat.

Christ.

 

[Phil Young]

Yeah, you got to 28% as "part of your promo video".

Honestly, I would believe you if your facebook page had a single shot of you actually in-shape.

The funniest part is that on the previous page, I said exactly the same thing you did. That you don't need exercise to lose weight.

Yeah, HIIT gets me looking like this:

Whereas your amazing textbook knowledge gets you looking like this:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=215844281810343&set=pb.215841368477301.-2207520000.1367543962.&type=3&theater

SHREDDED.

I know whose knowledge I'm going to rely on!

And yeah, HIIT sucks!

"Long aerobic workouts have been promoted as the best method to reduce fat, as it is popularly believed that fatty acid utilization usually occurs after at least 30 minutes of training.[citation needed] HIIT is somewhat counterintuitive in this regard, but has nonetheless been shown to burn fat more effectively.[13][22] There may be a number of factors that contribute to this, including an increase in resting metabolic rate. HIIT also significantly lowers insulin resistance and causes skeletal muscle adaptations that result in enhanced skeletal muscle fat oxidation and improved glucose tolerance.[22]
Timmons' group has shown that two weeks of HIIT can substantially improve insulin action in young healthy men.[23] In the aforementioned Horizon documentary, Michael Mosley, a borderline diabetic, saw a 24% improvement in insulin sensitivity after 4 weeks of Timmons' 3x20-sec HIIT regime, exactly in line with Timmons' larger studies.[12] Gibala's group reported a 35% increase in both insulin sensitivity and muscle oxidative capacity among seven sedentary people after just two weeks on the lower-intensity regime outlined above.[11] Timmons believes that this response is down to HIIT using 80% of muscles in the body, compared to 40% for gentle jogging and cycling.[12] Similarly, in young women, HIIT three times per week for 15 weeks compared to the same frequency of steady state exercise (SSE) was associated with significant reductions in total body fat, subcutaneous leg and trunk fat, and insulin resistance.[24] HIIT may therefore help to prevent type-2 diabetes."

And no I HAVEN'T dismissed the possibility of "being wrong" about steady bf loss, given that I NEVER disputed it in the first place.

Honestly, Phil, you seem like one of those dime-a-dozen personal trainers who talk a lot about how everyone else is wrong, yet don't seem to have the physique to actually back their claims up.

People who really know what they're doing stay in shape year round. They don't get massively fat just to prove a point. Especially given when they weren't even in-shape before they got fat.

Christ.

The whole idea behind this promotion is not to choose a trainer that lives a lifestyle - it's to trust someone that can say "we're all human and I can do this to this in xxxx weeks". It's a message to connect with other people on their level and completely change the psychology, attitude and behaviours around what they need... not just to be another PT with a great body - there's many of them, I don't see that as a USP.

I see it unique to be the guy that says "yeah I enjoy pizza and all the other stuff you like, but my knowledge can get me from this to this in this time and I can understand what you think and feel throughout your transformation too".

Think of this: why are most people lean? You will first think about training, but the real reason is they actually enjoy plain porridge with water and generally as part of their personality, has much more self control than those of a higher bf %.

That person won't have the same emotional connection with their client, or at least it's highly unlikely to have the same as one that has gone from xxxx to xxxx and can actually teach others based on that. As well as getting instant points for being "on their level".

Anyway, I believe in that idea as a campaign and am confident it will pay off.

This time next year I will have 2 phases of video, plenty of before photos and some pretty good after shots - but still retain all of the original mindset with the difference of mental training that clients will want to learn for themselves.

...in theory!

 

[London Headshots]

You can see I hadn't been very active with my page, I my .com website what had 150 hits a day was down for a while before I went to .co.uk recently. I'm not focusing on businesses right now and only have a few clients, my short term goal is purely related to my wife's visa. Long term is full time PT again, hence the transformation video which will be better than before.

My video 2 years ago was aimed at getting the average client a lot leaner in a very short space of time - it wasn't aimed at the normal business man that wants to be super ripped and competing.

That video actually played it's part in my wife being my wife so aside from business, it was well worth it.

Anyway, you have your assumptions about me and I have mine about you.

Bottom line is: you don't think I can continue over 1% a week loss as I get leaner, and I will come back to you when I prove you wrong.

So you aren't a full time PT, you don't have many clients, you aren't in-shape in the slightest, and clearly never have been, but you feel comfortable to call other people ignorant, and generally lord yourself as some fountain of secret knowledge.

Yeah, not buying it, I'm afraid.

Apparently, it's so easy to get lean, you only need an hour of cardio a week (despite the image on your facebook saying that you cycled 120km, trained four times, and played 90 minutes of football every week during your last mega-transformation).

And for the record, during the short time I was personal training, people STARTED at 15%, they didn't bloody end there! I'd have been a laughing stock if the people I trained didn't even have low enough bf to see their abs. Why would they even bother paying you?

 

[Phil Young]

So you aren't a full time PT, you don't have many clients, you aren't in-shape in the slightest, and clearly never have been, but you feel comfortable to call other people ignorant, and generally lord yourself as some fountain of secret knowledge.

Yeah, not buying it, I'm afraid.

Apparently, it's so easy to get lean, you only need an hour of cardio a week (despite the image on your facebook saying that you cycled 120km, trained four times, and played 90 minutes of football every week during your last mega-transformation).

And for the record, during the short time I was personal training, people STARTED at 15%, they didn't bloody end there! I'd have been a laughing stock if the people I trained didn't even have low enough bf to see their abs. Why would they even bother paying you?

I was a full time PT for 3 years before getting into Fitness management.

Decided it's not for me and going back into PT next year.

Also - that knowledge is out of date. 2 years ago I too believed you'd needed exercise to get lean.

I'm not even getting the benefits of my hour a week since I put in what I lose now.
Like I said, you doubt the results and I'll prove you wrong...it doesn't matter about the past, we are talking about now.

I don't blame you for your doubts, you are basing that on current knowledge... that's fine. When I prove that you can lose 1% a week or more even when lean (sub 10%), hopefully you will say something like "Phil, you were right".

We'll see!

 

[London Headshots]

The whole idea behind this promotion is not to choose a trainer that lives a lifestyle - it's to trust someone that can say "we're all human and I can do this to this in xxxx weeks". It's a message to connect with other people on their level and completely change the psychology, attitude and behaviours around what they need... not just to be another PT with a great body - there's many of them, I don't see that as a USP.

I see it unique to be the guy that says "yeah I enjoy pizza and all the other stuff you like, but my knowledge can get me from this to this in this time and I can understand what you think and feel throughout your transformation too".

Think of this: why are most people lean? You will first think about training, but the real reason is they actually enjoy plain porridge with water and generally as part of their personality, has much more self control than those of a higher bf %.

That person won't have the same emotional connection with their client, or at least it's highly unlikely to have the same as one that has gone from xxxx to xxxx and can actually teach others based on that. As well as getting instant points for being "on their level".

Anyway, I believe in that idea as a campaign and am confident it will pay off.

This time next year I will have 2 phases of video, plenty of before photos and some pretty good after shots - but still retain all of the original mindset with the difference of mental training that clients will want to learn for themselves.

...in theory!

What? A minute ago the idea behind the promotion was to show bodybuilders like me how ignorant we are. You said it after you rolled your eyes at me.

Also, I'm not buying anything you say. Want to know why? Because you're wrong.

If you were right, well, you'd be in shape, wouldn't you? Because if you can eat pizza and not train much, like you're claiming, well, you wouldn't be 28% body fat, would you?

Also, you've got the secret nobody else has? In 40 years of an industry worth billions of pounds worldwide, you've found a way to eat crap food, not train much, but maintain 9% body fat?

What are you talking about? You're selling snake oil.

Honestly, nothing you're saying is making sense. This time next year? You said you were doing from 28% to 9% in 12 weeks.

Jesus dude.. A guy rightly celebrates losing a stone, and your reply is

I don't think eating an insanely low calorie diet and losing 3kgs of muscle is something to be smug about

Why crap on a guy's achievement? That's not what we're about. This is a lifestyle based on motivation, on you're kicking over sandcastles like they're stuffed with twenties.

 

[Phil Young]

What? A minute ago the idea behind the promotion was to show bodybuilders like me how ignorant we are. You said it after you rolled your eyes at me.

Also, I'm not buying anything you say. Want to know why? Because you're wrong.

If you were right, well, you'd be in shape, wouldn't you? Because if you can eat pizza and not train much, like you're claiming, well, you wouldn't be 28% body fat, would you?

Also, you've got the secret nobody else has? In 40 years of an industry worth billions of pounds worldwide, you've found a way to eat crap food, not train much, but maintain 9% body fat?

What are you talking about? You're selling snake oil.

Honestly, nothing you're saying is making sense. This time next year? You said you were doing from 28% to 9% in 12 weeks.

Jesus dude.. A guy rightly celebrates losing a stone, and your reply is

Why crap on a guy's achievement? That's not what we're about. This is a lifestyle based on motivation, on you're kicking over sandcastles like they're stuffed with twenties.

You're replying based on assumptions again.

I've told you my video will consist of 2 phases.

I've not said I'll be eating crap all the time at 9% but now I'll say it: actually you can.

With a lean body weight of 67/68kgs, my burn rate can be around 1200kcals per day of whatever basically - based on my current diet. Time will prove that.

I'll PM you when I've reached 15% - in about 3 1/2 weeks. Then I'll keep going and PM you again at 9%. And maybe after that I'll do another couple of weeks since it's no hardship and get down to 7% or something.

And then we can continue the debate....OK??

 

[London Headshots]

Matt,

Low carb diets a the biggest myth ever created in the world of diet and nutrition. I have no idea where it's come from - science & cellular biology does not support the ideas! Let me explain...

Carbohydrates in their simplest form are glucose.

We constantly use fat (contrary to popular belief which is we use fat after glycogen). Glucose works in synergy with fat to create energy.

If you take away carbs from the diet, fat will not be able to be used and ultimately, we would die.

There is another place you can get glucose from - protein (either from the diet or muscle tissue breakdown).

We do not just need energy for movement - our heart, brain, kidneys, liver, intestine etc - they are all living cells that require energy to function and this energy comes from stored fat and either stored carbohydrate or protein.

It doesn't make sense not to eat carbs because we need protein for energy and certainly do not want muscles (not exclusive to skeletal muscle) to get smaller.

The trick is to have a little bit of carbs every 2.5-3hrs to ensure efficient energy production, fat burning & muscle retention.

You will hear of people that have tried it and got some good weight loss results...but they are stupid - they have literately sacrificed muscle tissue to fuel a bit of fat loss.

One could lose 5kg on a low carb diet but only 3% body fat...not very good.

I recently took up a bet with a colleague where I just ate carbs, did 0hrs exercise & no protein. He done 4hrs exercise, had only fats and protein and no carbs.

We lost the same amount of fat but my muscle increased by 1kg more than his over a week.

In addition, I felt great where as he felt tired, hungry, lethargic, had bad breath from ketosis & obviously would have put himself at risk of other health issues had it of continued.

He now recommends me to talk to any member for nutrition advice

Hope that helps.

Low card diets are a myth? Ketosis is a myth?

I'm sorry, but you haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about on anything we've discussed tonight.

We only need 10g of glucose a day for critical brain function, and when in a state of ketosis, the body converts protein to glucose via a process called gluconeogenesis. Carbohydrates are a non-essential energy source.

You'll die if you remove carbs? WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How do people survive on an Atkins diet, or the hundreds of bodybuilders who live for months at a time in ketosis, or epilepsy sufferers that control their seizures with a permanent low-carb lifestyle of less than 40g carbs per day? What about cancer patients who use ketosis to recover faster, as studies show that it does? Where are Inuit people getting their carbs from? Sugary fish?

You gained muscle on 0 protein and 0 fat? How were you building muscle tissue with just a diet comprised solely of suger? There's no chemical process in the whole of nature that converts suger into nitrogen. You absolutely, categorically cannot build muscle without anything other than protein.

God, are you serious?

You gained 1kg of muscle in a week? WHAT?

I can't tell if you're trolling or not, or if you were just hoping nobody that knew what they were talking about would come in to this thread.

Everything you've said is completely, totally and utterly wrong.

Ketosis diets have been shown to treat epilepsy, speed up cancer recovery, and adequately control type II diabetes.


God, you're actually calling people stupid at the same time as saying (lying) that you lived on a pure suger diet!

You are unbelievable. And with that, I'm going to bed.

I hope to god nobody ever hires you, because you're dangerously uneducated about dieting.

A 0 fat and 0 protein diet, Jesus Christ..

 

[Phil Young]

Low card diets are a myth? Ketosis is a myth?

I'm sorry, but you haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about on anything we've discussed tonight.

We only need 10g of glucose a day for critical brain function, and when in a state of ketosis, the body converts protein to glucose via a process called gluconeogenesis. Carbohydrates are a non-essential energy source.

You'll die if you remove carbs? WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How do people survive on an Atkins diet, or the hundreds of bodybuilders who live for months at a time in ketosis, or epilepsy sufferers that control their seizures with a permanent low-carb lifestyle of less than 40g carbs per day? What about cancer patients who use ketosis to recover faster, as studies show that it does? Where are Inuit people getting their carbs from? Sugary fish?

You gained muscle on 0 protein and 0 fat? How were you building muscle tissue with just a diet comprised solely of suger? There's no chemical process in the whole of nature that converts suger into nitrogen. You absolutely, categorically cannot build muscle without anything other than protein.

God, are you serious?

You gained 1kg of muscle in a week? WHAT?

I can't tell if you're trolling or not, or if you were just hoping nobody that knew what they were talking about would come in to this thread.

Everything you've said is completely, totally and utterly wrong.

Ketosis diets have been shown to treat epilepsy, speed up cancer recovery, and adequately control type II diabetes.

God, you're actually calling people stupid at the same time as saying (lying) that you lived on a pure suger diet!

You are unbelievable. And with that, I'm going to bed.

I hope to god nobody ever hires you, because you're dangerously uneducated about dieting.

A 0 fat and 0 protein diet, Jesus Christ..

If you asked how then I might be included to educate you...but clearly... you're a baffoon that is ignorant to any possibilities that prove his muscle head body building education inferior.

Read what I've said "increased muscle" that means my natural level of testosterone has enabled me to be what my natural lean bodyvweight should be for my given testosterone level. Jeez you couldn't even figure that out, you just label it as wrong.

You haven't figure how how glucose is produced either in the gluconeogenic pathway, which is not exclusive to carbs. You are missing the chemical breakdown of how fat is oxidised!! Omg you really are ignorant!!!

"never argue with stupid people, they'll only bring you down to their level and beat with with experience".

I must remember that.

 

[London Headshots]

If you asked how then I might be included to educate you...but clearly... you're a baffoon that is ignorant to any possibilities that prove his muscle head body building education inferior.

Yes, you keep doing this. You keep calling me stupid, and threatening to educate me, but you never actually seem to do it. Even when challenged.

Read what I've said "increased muscle" that means my natural level of testosterone has enabled me to be what my natural lean bodyvweight should be for my given testosterone level. Jeez you couldn't even figure that out, you just label it as wrong.

This makes literally no sense. "increased muscle by 1kg". When read in English, in conjunction with the rest of the sentence, it reads that you're saying you increased your muscle by 1kg. I'm just connecting the words (lies) as you wrote them.

That has absolutely nothing to do with your natural testosterone level (the two couldn't possibly be confused). Especially, given that on a 0 fat and 0 protein diet, your testosterone levels would drop through the floor, as testosterone is synthesised from cholesterol, which wouldn't exist in a 0 fat diet.

You haven't figure how how glucose is produced either in the gluconeogenic pathway, which is not exclusive to carbs. You are missing the chemical breakdown of how fat is oxidised!! Omg you really are ignorant!!!

I never said it was exclusive to carbs, that sentence doesn't even make sense, since gluconeogenesis is about MAKING carbs from other macronutrient sources. Unless you're saying you can also make protein? In which case, why is it called GLUCOneogenesis?

I'm not missing anything, you're just using very basic biochemistry terms incorrectly.

"never argue with stupid people, they'll only bring you down to their level and beat with with experience".

No, don't argue with people who know more than you about something, and especially don't call them stupid when you can't even write a complete sentence without some form of basic spelling error.



Good night, Phil Young, personal trainer to the stars.

 

[Damian Brown]

So everybody thinks. So will you eat your words when I prove you wrong??

This should be fun

 

[Damian Brown]

Not least because of the calories involved in eating words

I'm thinking London Headshots won't need to worry too much.

I get that Phil has some thoughts that he feels go contrary to what we believe and I'm totally open to checking it out. But you can't argue with the evidence presented on a competitive bodybuilder stage or other sportsmen.

 

[London Headshots]

More b*ll***** from Phil's website:

"My signature body fat reduction programme: body fat blitz is designed as an all-inclusive package to reduce the client's body fat weight whilst retaining muscle. Those on my programme will never be hungry, eat mostly carbohydrates & exercise to a minimum (only 2 sessions a week are necessary). Even though these are the rules of my programme, individuals consistently achieve industry leading results."

Post some pictures of people who have achieved "industry leading results" under a program consisting mainly of carbs and two exercise sessions a week. Why are there none on your website? Why doesn't your website list your biochemistry degree? Why are you not in shape? Why do you not have a single credible shred of evidence of any kind to back up your preposterous claims? The only slightly evidence you've got is a shot of yourself after 8 weeks dieting in which you go from very overweight, to overweight. Great results! And even that was on what works out to be roughly 10 hours of cardio a week, much less than the 1 hour you claim in this thread. Nothing you say adds up.

How are you able to build or maintain muscle without an adequate supply of amino acids?

Why would you even WANT to consume mostly carbohydrates? Who even does that? Who in the world wishes they were able to live on carbs?

Nothing you say makes sense.


And I assume Di Pasquale is completely wrong:

"Scientific literature such as 'Evaluation of protein requirements for trained strength athletes (November 1992)' has suggested this is higher than necessary, as protein intakes greater than 1.8 g per kilogram of body weight showed to have no greater effect on muscle hypertrophy.[10] A study carried out by American College of Sports Medicine (2002) put the recommended daily protein intake for athletes at 1.2–1.8 g per kilogram of body weight.[11][12][10] Conversely, Di Pasquale (2008), citing recent studies, recommends a minimum protein intake of 2.2 g/kg "for anyone involved in competitive or intense recreational sports who wants to maximize lean body mass but does not wish to gain weight. However athletes involved in strength events (..) may need even more to maximize body composition and athletic performance. In those attempting to minimize body fat and thus maximize body composition, for example in sports with weight classes and in bodybuilding, it’s possible that protein may well make up over 50% of their daily caloric intake."

Damn man, if only the world-renowned scientists who did this study had heard of the elite personal Trainer Phil Young. He'd have shown them a way to actually defy the very laws of nature.

"An adequate supply of amino acids is essential to produce muscle hypertrophy"

This is literally the most basic element of biology.

 

[Phil Young]

More b*ll***** from Phil's website:

Post some pictures of people who have achieved "industry leading results" under a program consisting mainly of carbs and two exercise sessions a week. Why are there none on your website? Why doesn't your website list your biochemistry degree? Why are you not in shape?

How are you able to build or maintain muscle without an adequate supply of amino acids?

Why would you even WANT to consume mostly carbohydrates? Who even does that? Who in the world wishes they were able to live on carbs?

Nothing you say makes sense.

And I assume Di Pasquale is completely wrong:

Damn man, if only the world-renowned scientists who did this study had heard of the elite personal Trainer Phil Young. He'd have shown them a way to actually defy the very laws of nature.

"An adequate supply of amino acids is essential to produce muscle hypertrophy"

This is literally the most basic element of biology.

Adequate supply of amino acids...

You think there isn't amino acids in carbohydrate products?

Why don't you stop being a hot head and start putting on the table what your confused about and I can answer and we can converse like human beings!?

At the moment you're piecing together lots of stuff, assuming the rest and getting it wrong.

Tell you what, I'll pop some questions to you, and you can tell me some answers.

1) when do you think we need carbohydrates?

2) why do you think it's harder to reduce fat when lean?

3) what do you think exercise does for fat reduction specifically and how much do you think it affects it % wise?

 

[Phil Young]

John, just for you since you require me to back myself up with everything...

I have LOADS of before & after's but I'm not focussing on PT right now - you're not listening to what I'm writing. That will be my goal in a year from now.

Can we focus on the mechanics of fat reduction rather than my business?!

 

[London Headshots]

Honestly, dude, stop it. Just stop it. Nothing I've said is wrong. Absolutely none of it. If it was, you'd be doing what I'm doing and actually posting things that rebut what I'm saying. You'd have links to sources, or you'd be able to do more than just tell me I'm wrong over and over, which is all you seem to be able to do.

1. We don't need carbohydrates. They're a non-essential macronutrient. We need glucose, but critically only for a few processes in the brain, which requires about 10 grams in a 24 hour period. The body is perfectly adapted to live on Ketones and fats, the two of which are the only essentially energy source of maintain life.

2. Because there's less fat to lose, so the body, constantly seeking metabolic homeostasis will attempt to catabolise other energy sources. It's the exact reason why it's so difficult to stay lean and muscular without an excellent balanced diet.

3. Exercise does for fat reduction what anything else that burns calories does for fat reduction. The effect it has is completely dependant on how much exercise is undertaken, and the intensity of that exercise, and the dietary habits of the person. It's completely pointless to ask for a percentage figure.

There you go. Three answers to three completely irrelevant questions that haven't been disputed or debated in any way.

Now answer my questions:

1. Where is your biochemistry degree?

2. Why are you completely out of shape, and why do you have no photos of you in shape?

3. How are you able to gain 1kg of muscle mass using a 0 fat and 0 protein diet. Where were you getting your amino acids from?

4. Why are there no images of your clients on either your website or your Facebook page who you claim to have got into "industry leading" shape using your biologically impossible dietary claims?

5. Why doesn't your website or your Facebook list any kind of personal training qualification?

6. Why have you made absolutely no attempt to point out where I'm wrong in anything I've said?

7. Why haven't you linked to any scientific literature that supports your claims?

Also, I posted this quote from you on MuscleTalk.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?high=&m=5026473&mpage=1#5026475

I like the first reply. It's short and to the point. Let's see how it develops.

 

[Damian Brown]

Hahahha well. That was succinct. And pretty accurate. It'll be fun to watch.

 

[London Headshots]

John, just for you since you require me to back myself up with everything...

I have LOADS of before & after's but I'm not focussing on PT right now - you're not listening to what I'm writing. That will be my goal in a year from now.

Can we focus on the mechanics of fat reduction rather than my business?!

Wow. That's "industry leading"?

That's seriously the best image you can come up with? I call you a fraud and a liar, and the best proof you can come up with is a shot of an overweight woman who is slightly less overweight in the next shot.

So your revolutionary techniques allow people to get in slightly better shape.

This is embarrassing.

 

[Phil Young]

Oh man you actually are a really arse...you are so stuck into your meat head ways and views you won't even be open to a conversation??! Did you say I had an attitude problem???

If I were bothered I'd post more shots but I can see you're stuck in your ways of thinking and I don't think I can say anything that will make you slightly less barbaric and a bit more humane.

The thing is, I don't need to prove anything yet, if I could be bothered I would tool you how you can sustain muscle tissue whilst losing fat all without exercise, eating carbs including sugar, doing so before going to sleep and so on...but I tried to converse with you and clearly, it doesn't work.

You are ignorant to other people's education and I don't think anything I say will make the slightest difference.

9th of July I'll be 9% without the aid of exercise and mostly carbs.

I'll come and say hello to you then.

 

[Phil Young]

Just to be clear John: although you're going about this a bit extreme, there's no hard feelings on my part.

I understand that you are defending what you thought is the most efficient way for many years and it's only human to react in your manor (although a bit extreme).

I fully expect when results are in, denial will be followed by curiosity.

We shall see sir.

 

[Damian Brown]

I genuinely can't way to see the miracle.

 

[London Headshots]

And again, still no answers to my questions.

That just about says it all.

 

[Damian Brown]

Just to be clear John: although you're going about this a bit extreme, there's no hard feelings on my part.

I understand that you are defending what you thought is the most efficient way for many years and it's only human to react in your manor (although a bit extreme).

I fully expect when results are in, denial will be followed by curiosity.

We shall see sir.

Phil. In laymans terms.. Outlay a diet/lifestyle programme for a week based on your system.

 

[London Headshots]

Now answer my questions:

1. Where is your biochemistry degree?

2. Why are you completely out of shape, and why do you have no photos of you in shape?

3. How are you able to gain 1kg of muscle mass using a 0 fat and 0 protein diet. Where were you getting your amino acids from?

4. Why are there no images of your clients on either your website or your Facebook page who you claim to have got into "industry leading" shape using your biologically impossible dietary claims?

5. Why doesn't your website or your Facebook list any kind of personal training qualification?

6. Why have you made absolutely no attempt to point out where I'm wrong in anything I've said?

7. Why haven't you linked to any scientific literature that supports your claims?

There we go, I'll just pop those up again, in case you've missed them.

 

[Phil Young]

There we go, I'll just pop those up again, in case you've missed them.

Answer to all: because my ego isn't as big as yours...

 

[London Headshots]

Again, though, why can't you just answer the questions?

Let's start with just one: Do you have a degree in biochemistry?

I answered your questions, why can't you answer mine?

 

[London Headshots]

Also, there's no ego in this for me. I arrived in a thread and saw a guy telling everyone they were wrong, crapping on people's achievements, before I pointing out a simple fact, and had you tell me I was ignorant and that you were training as a way to show people like me how ignorant we were. You made grandiose assumptions about my training, and my lack of knowledge, and so far, the only person here who has been able to provide any evidence of their knowledge in this field is me.

Throughout this thread you have lorded yourself as some kind of expert in your field, when the reality is that not only are you not, but you're actually dangerously limited in your knowledge of the most basic elements of diet.

 

[Phil Young]

Again, though, why can't you just answer the questions?

Let's start with just one: Do you have a degree in biochemistry?

I answered your questions, why can't you answer mine?

John, you're getting way too personal for me. I'm not about to my personal details for you to then quote on a forum in an effort to discredit me.

Happy to talk about any of the views above.

 

[Phil Young]

but you're actually dangerously limited in your knowledge of the most basic elements of diet.

So because I have a different level of knowledge to you and tried to give you a different understanding... by your standards, I am not knowledgeable?

Can you not see how ignorant that is? So far were yet to discuss the actual science because you are a barbarian.

 

[1.2f]

John, you're getting way too personal for me. I'm not about to my personal details for you to then quote on a forum in an effort to discredit me.

Happy to talk about any of the views above.

Well this certainly is interesting. Phil I think John has asked some valid questions here which within the context of this thread should be addressed by you in all fairness.

Furthermore, I would be interested if you can educate all of us on how this process of yours works. I as many others have always been led to believe that a sensibly controlled diet coupled with regular exercise will yield the best weight loss and health benefits.

I am currently following this theory and it is slowly showing results for me.

 

[London Headshots]

John, you're getting way too personal for me. I'm not about to my personal details for you to then quote on a forum in an effort to discredit me.

Happy to talk about any of the views above.

Do you have a degree in biochemistry. And if so, from what university?

 

[Phil Young]

Phil. In laymans terms.. Outlay a diet/lifestyle programme for a week based on your system.

At this stage in the game I'm reluctant to publish that information based on recent barbaric attitudes.

They might get published on a forum

 

[1.2f]

At this stage in the game I'm reluctant to publish that information based on recent barbaric attitudes.

They might get published on a forum

Eh, the barbarian has laid down his thoughts and experience why won't you?

 

[Phil Young]

Well this certainly is interesting. Phil I think John has asked some valid questions here which within the context of this thread should be addressed by you in all fairness.

Furthermore, I would be interested if you can educate all of us on how this process of yours works. I as many others have always been led to believe that a sensibly controlled diet coupled with regular exercise will yield the best weight loss and health benefits.

I am currently following this theory and it is slowly showing results for me.

I'm following a different theory and getting very fast results.

The thread will have to get back on track mate before I talk about the details...

 

[1.2f]

Phil the thread is on track you have made comments and now someone who has knowledge within this field is engaging you to substansiate your points......

 

[London Headshots]

At this stage in the game I'm reluctant to publish that information based on recent barbaric attitudes.

They might get published on a forum

No, at this stage you are reluctant to publish information, because you're in the presence of someone who can and will discredit it with ease.

 

[London Headshots]

I'm following a different theory and getting very fast results.

The thread will have to get back on track mate before I talk about the details...

And that theory is biologically implausible, and despite your protests to the contrary, you can't link to a single paper or study that substantiates your claims in any way shape or form.

You talk about being a biochemical expert on your website, and you've mention it several times in this thread. Do you have a degree in biochemistry?

 

[Phil Young]

No, at this stage you are reluctant to publish information, because you're in the presence of someone who can and will discredit it with ease.

I'm talking to an ignorant wasak unable to converse like a human.

 

[London Headshots]

I'm talking to an ignorant wasak unable to converse like a human.

Actually, to be fair, the only person in here who has made direct insults is you. All I've done is call you a liar and questioned your knowledge.

I'm conversing in a perfectly civil, if somewhat assertive tone, because I'm passionate about stopping people spreading potentially dangerous disinformation about training and diet.

What you're proposing isn't simply out-of-left field, or edgy, or controversial, it's completely, totally, and utterly biologically impossible. Nothing you've said in this thread up until now has any basis in reality.

I dread to think what will happen if you put a diabetic on your diet, telling him he can lose his diabetes-related weight using your special high carb diet. You'd have a death on your hands.


I don't like the idea that you charge money for your services, yet don't seem to have, or refuse to provide any credentials to back up your position.

I spent a decade absorbed in this industry, and I met scores of people like you, the same way I meet scores of people in photography teaching workshops when they don't even have the experience or credentials to shoot a job themselves. It's the same thing.