1D MKlll Vs 5D..

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Ok, Iv been knocking about the froum for a while now trying to gather knowlage.. but im a little unsettled with it all now.. lol :bang:

Iv been after a 5D.. but then i heared that there maybe a new vertion comming in the near future.. So, i started looking at the 40D to act as a stop gap untill then and then use as a second..

Now iv had an eppiphiny :shrug: dunno if iv spelt thar right!! lol.. anyway, iv decided i need a change of career and its gonna be photography.. :thumbs: (We'll see!)

So iv start looking at the 1D mklll.. is MUCH better than the 5D?? i know it got a lot more bits and bobs on it l;ike the Digiclll and sensor cleanig like the 400D but its only 10.7 MP and cropped.. the 5D being 12mp and FF.. In a shoot out how would they stack up??

What would the sencible choice be?? :shrug:
 
Well it depends what you use it for really.

The 1D is a seriously fast camera, infact the fastest DSLR you can buy, shooting at 10 frames per second (which is disgustingly fast). It's made for those who need speed (such as sports photographers), and who are not looking for full frame (full frame is not actually better in some instances, such as specific wildlife photography I belive. Not 100% on that becuase i'm not a wildlife photographer).

The 5D is the little brother of the 1D. It's full frame so you can odviously fit more in your image, good for landscape photography in particular.

As you said, yes, the 5D is due for an upgrade, probably next spring.

The 1D is generally better, but for some types of photography the 5D will excell, so it's really down to what you use it for.

Oh and the 1D is weather sealed (I think) and the 5D is not - a feature that you will/will not require depending on how/what you shoot.

Also just look at the price. A 1D body only is about £2,500 - £3,000 and a 5D body only is about £1,000 - £1,500 - like all camera equipment - you get what you pay for.

If you have the money, then definatly go for a 1D or 5D over a 40D, they are far superior (I myself am still deciding which to upgrade to, a 5D or 40D but for me it's all dependant on money - i'd get a 5D right now if I had the money).
 
Personally I think your comparing 2 totally different cameras

You should be comparing a 1dmk3 to a 1dmk2n or 40D, and a 5D to 1dsmk2 or 1dsmk3

If your not needing all the bells and whistles of the 1dmk3 look at a used 1dmk2n and save loads of money.

Ive being weighing up changing from a 1dmk2n to a 1dmk3 having used a 1dmk3 i have decided its not worth the upgrade. But I will tell you a Nikon D3 is having used one recently, its a superb piece of kit.

their are so many options now.
 
The reason for comparing the Mklll to the 5D is cos iv been looking at the 5D for a while now but just today i thought of the new Mklll as iv made the decision to TRY to go pro in the future (maybe distant!) but i forgot about the MKll!! maybe i could get a reasonable used 1Ds.. oh how the plot thickens.. lol..

Anyway, i was just wondering how they stacked up against each other IQ wise.. i understand the difference of the crop and the 5D being wider for Landscapes ect but wanted the bottom line on the quality of images.. and if it would be worth the extra£££, i like the idea of the Mklll being a fast camera even though i dont do sports stuff.. i think im gonna flip a coin.. their both great cameras..
 
Take a hard look at the 40D which offers most of the features from the 1DmkIII but will leave you two grand to spend on some decent glass :thumbs:

The 10fps of the 1DmkIII can't be important or you wouldn't be considering the 5D which only offers 3fps. 5D doesn't have weather sealing either so that can't be important to you either. They're the two main differences between the 1DmkIII and the 40D and you don't appear to need either so why spend the money?

Ok, I'm being a little simplistic but hopefully it gets the point across. Buy the gear that will get the job done and that's usually glass...
 
The 5D was my pick as it's FF and such a good camera, id prefer it to be weather sealed and faster.. but that would leave me in the region of the 1Ds!! and thats ££££..

So the 40D and the Mklll, whats the IQ difference?? i was considering the 40D as a stop gap for now untill the 5D replacment was released, im interested to see what differences there will be and how much it will cost..

Thanks for that pxl8, of course your right about the glass.. i suppose it could make or break ANY camera!!
 
You're really making comparisons between totally different cameras for totally different purposes. It entirely depends on what type of photography you intend doing. For some purposes - weddings, portraits, landscape, the full frame sensor can be an advantage, whereas for wildlife, macro and some sports it can be a disadvantage.

I did some tests between a 1DMK2n and a 20D Here.
 
Well, im not too interested in Wildlife or sports atm at least.. and i know im being a bit random with all this, im just trying to weigh up what would be best and im sort of thinking out loud!! lol... maybe i should do the sensible thing and get a nice FF and a nice Crop.. lol.. finances are also in my thoughts and play a part in my choices.

BTW, i found this on my travels.. Looks a bit suspect to me..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Canon-EOS-1D-...ryZ15215QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
^ Import from Hong Kong, i'd never go for an import off eBay (I buy from eBay all the time, its much cheaper than anywhere else, but as for imports - can be risky).

Chances are you will have difficulties when it comes through UK customs aswel.
 
That's ridiculously cheap even for a Hong Kong sourced camera! The trader seems OK with plenty of feedback, but I wouldn't touch it.There is a known problem now with the AF system on some MK3 cameras which means many of them needing to be returned to Canon for repair. If this camera turns out to be one of those you could have a world of difficulty getting this work done for a grey import. It would probably have to go back to the country of origin at your expense.
 
if its too good to be true it is especially on ebay.

as for image quality you have nothing to worry about with a 1 series or a 5D or 40D, the megapixel count would be of little concern unless I knew I had to have a certain size for a particular requirement. all are plenty big enough. as for noise the 1dmk2 , 1dmk2n , 5D essentaly use the same pixel pitch and processing so the noise is about the same. the mk3's are / will be better, and the 40D is very good.

I would by the camera that fills you needs now and for say 1 year in the future and spend the money on glass as all these cameras need good glass, then in a years time assess whats available and you will know where your photography is taking you, and upgrade or buy another camera then.
 
if you arent doing sport or wildlife, then you dont need a 1D MK2 or 3.

You really need to decide what sort of photography you are going to concentrate on, if its studio work its 5D or 1DS Mk2/3 for the full frame sensor, as well as landscapes etc so you can get the benefit of the ultra wide angles.

Once you have decided what you will be shooting then you can make a proper decision on what to buy not before !
 
fraggle101 said:
So the 40D and the Mklll, whats the IQ difference??
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The 1DmkIII has a slightly larger sensor (1.3 crop instad of 1.6) so less noise and dual processors to speed things up for the 10fps. Better AF which would be a big plus for sports or other fast action shooting. Oh it also has an extra stop either end on the ISO going from 50-6400 instead of 1000-3200.

I honestly think Canon have stolen some of the 1DmkIII sales with the 40D as it offers so much of the 1 series features without the price tag. I was all set to get the 1DmkIII when it was announced, then the 40D appeared and it was a no brainer.
 
I'm not sure you would see much difference between a 10.7MP and a 12MP image.

The 1D has two image processors on board to speed things up. Ideal if you need high speed image processing such as sorts and news.

I think you'll find the 1D is a lot heavier than the 5D and more so than the 40D. Does make a difference when you have to carry it around all day

I've a 5D and think it's great. The only camera I'd swop it for would be the new 1Ds when it comes out, but then I could buy 4 5D bodies for the price of the 1Ds.

The 40D is a serious contender,for what you want , but please put a decent lens with it, otherwise you wont see it's full potential.
 
At the end of the day, it's unlikely your clients will be able to tell the difference between a 5D/40D/1 series image?

So you would probably be better getting a 40D/5D and some decent glass to go with it.

On the other hand, if you want reliability/robustness good battery life etc etc, go for a 1 series camera, they are the only pro bodies canon produce, and are built for the punishment that usually come hand in hand with pro use.
 
Les McLean said:
...and are built for the punishment that usually come hand in hand with pro use.
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Reminds me of a youtube vid posted on another forum of some pro showing all his gear, bunch of 1D bodies, L glass left right and centre as he empties his bags - he's almost throwing the gear onto the table. People reacted like he'd been throwing newborn kittens around not what amounts to a brick that can double up as a hammer :thumbs:

(disclaimer, if you use your 1D as a hammer and it breaks, don't blame me. If you use it as a brick and build a house you really have got more money then sense - lend us a fiver?)
 
Lol.. i guess im going to end up with the 5D, i like the idea of the FF and wide lens's staying wide ect, but the new cameras that are starting to come out are very tempting!! although the camera id really like would be the 1Ds mklll but thats a silly price for what id be using it for!! the 1Ds mkll would be great, i like the idea of having the weather sealing ect, but again the price isnt in my league atm.. mind you the screen looks pretty small on the 1D mkll but then its a big camera so everything looks small on it!! lol..
Anyway, i think the answers gotta be the 5D, then move upto the 1D series whan its time.. and although i dont do wildlife or sports now, you never know what the furture will bring.. were going to Woburn in the spring!! :thumbs:

Thanks for the input guys.. :thumbs:
 
Ok, just to mess things up a bit..

What about a 1D Mkll?? 1.3 crop? but the pixel count is a little on the low side but its a very good camera.. yes??

There are a few going used.. so maybe... what ya think??
 
I think you're perhaps a little too hung up on the numbers. The bottom line is that if you took a print from the 20D, 30D, 40D, 5D, 1D and blind tested with your clients none of them would have a clue they were taken by different cameras.

8mp is more than enough for general photogrpaphy such as weddings, portraits, nature, sports, etc. If you're planning to produce and sell fine art prints at massive sizes then 35mm is probably the wrong format - same as it is with film.
 
fraggle101 said:
What about a 1D Mkll?? 1.3 crop? but the pixel count is a little on the low side but its a very good camera.. yes??

There are a few going used.. so maybe... what ya think??
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I've just got a 1d mk11n, mainly because the mk111 had problems. But for my work I don't need huge files. Although large files could be handy for some stock photography I do, it's not limiting.

If I was you and was looking at a full frame I'd go for the 5D or a used 1ds mk11 or mk1 which is still 11 mega pixals (I think).
 
wheather FF or not aside, would the IQ on the 1D mkll and the 5D be similar?? if i had the right lens so as to give the same field of view?? cos if they are equal then i think id be better off with the 1d, for the wheather sealing, and speed ect.. just to cover bases if you know what i mean.. i hate being put off taking pics cos theres black clouds abou or a little drizzel..
 
Jesus.. is this tempting or what!! USA one year warranty aside!!! but looks a bit iffy.. iv looked at his feedback and although its good, when u look at the feedback of his buyer or sellers he dont come up on thiers at all.. :shrug: unless he apperes as his own user name and not his shops?? i dunno.. would be nice tho!!

BTW, iv emailed this guy twice and had responces.. albit in pigeon english!! i think he's using the chinese-english translator in google!!
But he says there tax free and in his warehouse.. :shrug:

If anyone wants to see the emails then pm an email addy and i'll gladly forward them.. a Mklll for a grand!!!! holy cow.. im soo tempted.. i wouldnt even care if there was a warranteor not!! as long as i got the goods in working order that is!! :thumbs:
 
fraggle, is it really about image quality or just wanting to get a 1 series and needing justification?
 
If you are just looking to start building a portfolio and going pro in a few years, buy the 5d and some decent glass. By the time that you are ready to turn pro, you yourself will know what camera to buy and they all will be another model or two down the line anyway.
 
fraggle101 said:
a Mklll for a grand!!!! holy cow.. im soo tempted.. i wouldnt even care if there was a warranteor not!! as long as i got the goods in working order that is!! :thumbs:
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I wouldnt touch that with a 50 foot barge pole, if it looks too good to be true it nearly always is !

No one in there right mind would sell a 1d Mk3 for a grand !
 
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