192mph driver jailed

SarahLee said:
If you read the bit in the Northants police video linked to above . . .



Looks like they couldn't definitively prove that she was actually driving so decided to throw the book at her for inciting dangerous driving instead.
While I'd agree a 2 year ban for simply being a passenger and encouraging the behaviour seems harsh, in those particular circumstances it seems fair enough to me.
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An interesting point. Lets say the passanger didn't drive or have a licence, what sort of punishment could be given in the place of the 2yr disqual
 
ST4 said:
Its never a route I am on..mercifully. I am going to France in March, but going via Poole so its M5 to Bristol, M4 for a bit then down thru Dorset
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Caan or Cherbourg? Either way watch out for the speed cameras and the coppers in the first 50-60Kmh with cameras catching people speeding to/from the ports. Also, speed camera alerts should be turned off on your sat nav, else thats another fine. They have nice flip cards now in different languages fpor basically You're nicked and You owe us flip flip x Euros for flip flip speeding. Pay now or we'll accompany you to the nearest cashpoint.
 
I thought both the Audi RS6 and the BMW M5 were restricted to 155. Both will only do around 188, so they must have done him for an indicated 192.
 
Byker28i said:
Caan or Cherbourg? Either way watch out for the speed cameras and the coppers in the first 50-60Kmh with cameras catching people speeding to/from the ports. Also, speed camera alerts should be turned off on your sat nav, else thats another fine. They have nice flip cards now in different languages fpor basically You're nicked and You owe us flip flip x Euros for flip flip speeding. Pay now or we'll accompany you to the nearest cashpoint.
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Cherbourg. I'm going to Mont Saint Michel (again) then Brittany then down to Bordeaux and Pyrenees. I'll get to skip out the misery of the traffic in Rouen this way and about 4hrs driving. Ferry is £84 which isn't bad for such a long crossing that puts me close to where I need to be.

I'm a changed man, I drive close to or under speed limits - or try to anyway.
 
ST4 said:
Cherbourg. I'm going to Mont Saint Michel (again) then Brittany then down to Bordeaux and Pyrenees. I'll get to skip out the misery of the traffic in Rouen this way and about 4hrs driving. Ferry is £84 which isn't bad for such a long crossing that puts me close to where I need to be.

I'm a changed man, I drive close to or under speed limits - or try to anyway.
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Nice, we spend a lot of time down towards Bordeaux.
If you're going to mont st Michael, take a trip into st malo town. Not only will you do it justice in photography, but look at the gallery of Phillip Plisson. I think you'll like his work.
 
Have absolutely no problem with the jail time.
It keeps him off the road for that time, so less chance of him creating/being involved in an accident.
On release, he should have a driving life ban, endorsed by having both legs amputated below the neck.
Eeeedjut
 
Byker28i said:
Nice, we spend a lot of time down towards Bordeaux.
If you're going to mont st Michael, take a trip into st malo town. Not only will you do it justice in photography, but look at the gallery of Phillip Plisson. I think you'll like his work.
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Cheers. Been to St Malo before, didn't make last time, but will this time

Happy memories

_DSC2597 by Stephen Taylor, on Flickr

I stayed in Saint Lunaire on the Dinard side. Was a nice place
 
ST4 said:
An interesting point. Lets say the passanger didn't drive or have a licence, what sort of punishment could be given in the place of the 2yr disqual
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The same - oddly, it's quite common for people who commit driving offences to have no licence, and as punishment they get banned from holding a licence (though I suspect they care less about that than your or I would)
 
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ST4 said:
She said I was too left leaning...
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I've heard that Peyronie’s disease can cause psychological problems.
 
ST4 said:
Which makes it a bit of a non punishment....methinks
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It's the same punishment, the difference is the effect it has on the criminal. Just like a heavy fine matters most to the likes of you and I, for rich people and extremely poor people they're almost irrelevant. Or a prison sentence, which would wreck my life completely, but for plenty of people it's 3 square meals and a more comfortable existence than they have outside. It's all about perspective and our justice system doesn't take that into account.
 
Phil V said:
It's the same punishment, the difference is the effect it has on the criminal. Just like a heavy fine matters most to the likes of you and I, for rich people and extremely poor people they're almost irrelevant. Or a prison sentence, which would wreck my life completely, but for plenty of people it's 3 square meals and a more comfortable existence than they have outside. It's all about perspective and our justice system doesn't take that into account.
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I'd say I agree, but to but someone in jail for egging on someone capable of making their own good or bad decisions would be excessive. I would think a fine/community service would be a more suitable option for offences, but certainly for the non driver.
 
ST4 said:
I'd say I agree, but to but someone in jail for egging on someone capable of making their own good or bad decisions would be excessive. I would think a fine/community service would be a more suitable option for offences, but certainly for the non driver.
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They'll have had a fine as well as.
 
The daughter should have had an even more severe sentence for encouraging that kind of behaviour. I spend huge amounts of time on the road and I have absolutely zero patience or understanding for moronic idiots like these. They deserve a very, very, very large and heavy book throwing very, very, very hard at them.
 
PMN said:
The daughter should have had an even more severe sentence for encouraging that kind of behaviour. I spend huge amounts of time on the road and I have absolutely zero patience or understanding for moronic idiots like these. They deserve a very, very, very large and heavy book throwing very, very, very hard at them.
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It was easily in the drivers/fathers power to ignore that sort of egging on. The phrase "if I told you to sit in a puddle would you do it" springs to mind. A capable 42yr old knows right from wrong and whats safe and what isn't? The only thing that made him do 192mph was him.
 
PMN said:
The daughter should have had an even more severe sentence for encouraging that kind of behaviour. I spend huge amounts of time on the road and I have absolutely zero patience or understanding for moronic idiots like these. They deserve a very, very, very large and heavy book throwing very, very, very hard at them.
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Why? My kids are grown up, but I don't follow their 'instructions'. I make my own decisions.
 
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It was easily in the drivers/fathers power to ignore that sort of egging on. The phrase "if I told you to sit in a puddle would you do it" springs to mind. A capable 42yr old knows right from wrong and whats safe and what isn't? The only thing that made him do 192mph was him.
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MartynK said:
Why? My kids are grown up, but I don't follow their 'instructions'. I make my own decisions.
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A bit of a sideways issue?

It's not that the dad has had his sentence reduced because he was doing what she said. This is an additional issue of encouraging people to, or conspiring with them to break the law, is a crime in itself. I find it odd that people wouldn't understand that. This isn't some macho 'I'm my own man, no-one tells me what to do' b******t. This is plain and simple conspiracy to commit a crime, it doesn't really matter how much he was influenced by her, the intention is clear.
 
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Phil V said:
A bit of a sideways issue?

It's not that the dad has had his sentence reduced because he was doing what she said. This is an additional issue of encouraging people to, or conspiring with them to break the law, is a crime in itself. I find it odd that people wouldn't understand that. This isn't some macho 'I'm my own man, no-one tells me what to do' b******t. This is plain and simple conspiracy to commit a crime, it doesn't really matter how much he was influenced by her, the intention is clear.
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Imagine the scene. You and I are in a car. I am driving you. The road is clear ahead. You say to me, hurry up, show me what your car can do and egg me on and I resist your temptations and prompts to "step on on it". I capture this on dash cam and I show it to dibble. What do you think they will do, run around and nick you or laugh in my face....
 
ST4 said:
Imagine the scene. You and I are in a car. I am driving you. The road is clear ahead. You say to me, hurry up, show me what your car can do and egg me on and I resist your temptations and prompts to "step on on it". I capture this on dash cam and I show it to dibble. What do you think they will do, run around and nick you or laugh in my face....
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That's not the issue here though.

Are you just pretending to be thick? Can you not comprehend that we have laws specifically to cover people who encourage or help others to commit crimes? You might have a view of the world where yours is the only opinion that matters to you, but the rest of us understand how people actually behave, and the law takes account of that fact.
 
Marcel said:
LAugh in your face because a crime wasn't committed. That's the key difference.
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This^
Although there's also a 'use of Police time' and a genuine consideration of the seriousness of the offence, if the three of us were sat round plotting to bomb the underground and one of us then got cold feet and recorded a discussion and went to the police with it, would the Police laugh in your face? Or would we be arrested for conspiracy to perform a criminal act?
 
Seriously. ..the issue is not that the damn fool driver is capable of making his own (albeit ridiculous) decisions, because so is the passenger, who, in encouraging the driver, broke laws totally unrelated to the driver's acts, and has been punished accordingly.
The individual crimes have no connection other than geographical circumstance.
 
ST4 said:
But you could argue the conspiracy to commit one was made....
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You could argue that, and the law has been broken, but is it in the public interest to pursue the case?

See my point above - if I'm conspiring to get you to bomb the underground and you don't, would you expect to see me prosecuted if there was sufficient evidence?
 
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But you could argue the conspiracy to commit one was made....
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No, there was no conspiracy because the parties - the driver and the passenger - didn't come to an agreement to commit an offence, despite the latter's urging.
 
Phil V said:
That's not the issue here though.

Are you just pretending to be thick? Can you not comprehend that we have laws specifically to cover people who encourage or help others to commit crimes? You might have a view of the world where yours is the only opinion that matters to you, but the rest of us understand how people actually behave, and the law takes account of that fact.
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We've had a report about this post asking if it was really necessary.
Yes, it was completely necessary.
Sometimes, Steve, we (the mod team and many of the membership) think you're deliberately being obtuse for argumentative reasons.
 
There is an easy answer to that, Marcel...
 
Is there any place like some racing track where members of general public could go and do such things without posing danger to other motorists? German autobahns are sadly too far away here for most.

Speed difference and the element of surprise is what makes them so dangerous.

reheat module said:
Have absolutely no problem with the jail time.
It keeps him off the road for that time, so less chance of him creating/being involved in an accident.
On release, he should have a driving life ban, endorsed by having both legs amputated below the neck.
Eeeedjut
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I'm glad they got done but advocating cruel Sharia style punishments is the last thing I want to see on this forum or anywhere at all. We are still civilised, I hope...
 
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Surely the best thing about this is that one way or another two selfish, narcissistic idiots are both off the roads for a good length of time. Given the obvious persistent nature of the offending jail was the other solution. My only regret here is that Darwinism didn't get the chance to work as these people are polluting the gene pool.
 
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daugirdas said:
Is there any place like some racing track where members of general public could go and do such things without posing danger to other motorists?...
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Most racing circuits hold tack days where you can thrash the life out of your own car with very few restrictions.
 
daugirdas said:
Is there any place like some racing track where members of general public could go and do such things without posing danger to other motorists? German autobahns are sadly too far away here for most.

Speed difference and the element of surprise is what makes them so dangerous.
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PaulButler said:
Most racing circuits hold tack days where you can thrash the life out of your own car with very few restrictions.
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They haven't the length or straights to get up to top speed. I've done runway runs from standing start, my car will run a mile in 31 secs getting to 177mph but it's the extra top speed needs more space. I've run mine to 190 at Bruntingthorpe, coming onto the two mile long runway at approx 40mph.
 
daugirdas said:
Is there any place like some racing track where members of general public could go and do such things without posing danger to other motorists? German autobahns are sadly too far away here for most.

Speed difference and the element of surprise is what makes them so dangerous.



I'm glad they got done but advocating cruel Sharia style punishments is the last thing I want to see on this forum or anywhere at all. We are still civilised, I hope...
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MIRA?
 
Cobra said:
Road works and 50 mph average speed camera's before J16- and after J19 you would be a total moron to try that there
There is the A5 of course but a ton would be dangerous to say the least.
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Only a total moron would try for 192mph anywhere on the public highway.

As i recall the stretch on the A5 from Towcester up to the Dav turn used to be well known 'barry driving like a penis' territory (not to mention the various straights around the drift area late at night - bazza seemed to think "drift" was an instruction rather than a place name
 
daugirdas said:
Is there any place like some racing track where members of general public could go and do such things without posing danger to other motorists? German autobahns are sadly too far away here for most.
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there can't be many 'general public cars' capable of getting up to 192 or for that matter tracks with long enough straight to let them do it - I remember me and my friend andy getting 130mph out of his merc on an abandoned airfield once , and that was quite fast enough for those straights, slowing down for the corners was hairy to say the least (neither of us would be f***witted enough to do it on a public highway - but a long straight A road or M way would probably be required to get up to those speeds even if the car was capable of it )
 
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