18-200 VR - sell it and replace with a bridge/superzoom camera?!

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Just had a bit of a crazy thought and was wondering if someone had any ideas if this was a good or bad decision. I originally bought my 18-200 about 2 years ago, and I was amazed. My copy was absolutely pin sharp, and had an amazing all encompassing range...I was relatively new to the slr game then, and thought this was a wonder lens. However as my photography has moved on, I've been having other thoughts: What is the purpose of this lens?!

Most people I think will claim its an amazing 'walk around' lens. This to me seems to justify its use only for holidays, or for landscapes, which is fair enough...but I'm going to admit now, its simply horrible for portraits. On my last trip to Rome I found myself using the 10-20mm Sigma most of the time for landscapes and actually dreading to put on the 18-200, except when it was low light in the evenings and buildings! And when I wanted to take portraits of people, I really hated the fact that starting from 24mm the aperture was only as wide as F4 and getting smaller! Also, most holiday shots are 'snapshots' - rarely going above 100mm really, with average apertures like F8-F11, which really doesn't mandate the need for a DSLR. The same for most landscape photography, you're using mid to high apertures and wide focal lengths.

Which got me thinking - I'm about to buy a mid range fast zoom - probably the Sigma 18-50 2.8 - which would certainly cover the portraits and landscape togging - so would there be any point in keeping the 18-200?! This 2.8 would take awesome portraits, be pretty good for landscapes (and I could use the 10-20 too when needed) - and this is the crazy thought - I could sell the 18-200 and with that money get a super zoom bridge camera - the Canon SX 1 IS has a quite frankly insane 28-560mm stabilised range) and keep that in my bag when I need some tele range. That way, it would not only save time me switching lenses, but I could also keep my ultra wide angle on most of the time too!

So, to summarise, assuming they are will cost the same roughly, use the 18-50/10-20 as my main lenses, replacing the 18-200 with a superzoom camera:

Pros - No switching lenses, preferred lens on DSLR most of the time, another camera always ready for action, increased range, possibly smaller and lighter.

Cons - Worse noise and image quality (although debatable if they're just holiday snaps..), worse night shots, more blurry teleshots(?), depreciation (the 18-200 will pretty much hold its value forever, or lose little, I can see a bridge camera not being worth anything in a few years)

Anyone see any possible flaws to this plan?

I'm trying to be a slr purist, I really am, but the more I think about it, the more I realise I hardly use the 18-200 VR anymore, and the better a bridge would be for the 70-200+ range?
 
I'm gonna blame ken rockwell for this one in part, yes, it is a very 'useful' lens, but, jack of all trades... master of none ;)

don't forget with a bridge camera, you'll get shutter lag, more noise, slower focussing etc, than an slr and any lens...
 
I can only say how I do it.

DSLR for serious picture taking. My definition of walkabout is when I'm wandering around looking for pictures, without knowing what I'm going to find, but when I find it, I want a proper camera. The nature of those excursions means I don't want to lug a whole kit bag about, so I need one versatile lens. It's a Canon 17-55 2.8 IS in my case.

If I want to take a camera just in case, perhaps to a social event where there might be some fun people snaps to be had, just for a bit of memory making, I take the smallest decent compact I could find, Panasonic FX500.

A bridge camera wouldn't suit me at all.
 
I've often thought (and probably written) that anyone who wants to put an 18-200 VR on something like a D300 would probably be better off with a bridge camera.

Regardless of that, due to its poor choppy bokeh, its definately not a lens to use for portraits - you'd need to have a clean background, as its not the sort of lens that will "cream" away distractions.

Yes, get faster glass, and look for something with nice bokeh. I think a Tamron 28-75 shot around 65 to 75mm wide open will do nicely for you here, or a 85mm f/1.8 AF-D or a Tamron 90mm macro. All will give decent portraits, and nice bokeh.
 
I understand where you are coming from as I have had a Sony bridge camera and now have the Olympus. The problem I seem to have, is that nearly everytime I use the bridge camera I wish I had used the DSLR. The bridge camera is very light and easy to carry around, but I am generally dissapointed with the final result compared with the DSLR. The shutter lag is a nightmare after using the DSLR and in low light the noise at ISO400 can spoil a good shot.
 
...less DOF control, etc., etc.

It is a personal decision, but I wouldn't switch from a DSLR to a bridge camera. I would (and do) carry a compact (Panasonic TZ) when size, or the lack of it, is important -- I don't see a bridge camera fitting that role so well.

Don't forget, with a bridge camera you can't 'throw a fast prime in the bag'.
 
I'm gonna blame ken rockwell for this one in part, yes, it is a very 'useful' lens, but, jack of all trades... master of none ;)

don't forget with a bridge camera, you'll get shutter lag, more noise, slower focussing etc, than an slr and any lens...

True - but when, when 'walkabouting' (for lack of a better word) or holidaying have you ever used the tele range and needed SLR responsiveness? I'm thinking for the small amount of time I have it on when on holiday, a nice super zoom could easily fit the bill instead, and be more convenient!
 
I can only say how I do it.

DSLR for serious picture taking. My definition of walkabout is when I'm wandering around looking for pictures, without knowing what I'm going to find, but when I find it, I want a proper camera. The nature of those excursions means I don't want to lug a whole kit bag about, so I need one versatile lens. It's a Canon 17-55 2.8 IS in my case.

A bridge camera wouldn't suit me at all.

My idea exactly - I'm getting an 18-50 2.8 as my walk about, AND would use the superzoom to soak up the rest of the 'walkabout' teleshots. Ideally I'd get a D40ish camera and mount the 18-200 on, but with the rest of my gear that would be ridiculously heay. You're right, you'd be crazy to bring a bridge to a party...lol!

To everyone else (I'm not sure how to quote multiple people in one post without writing it by hand after the initial quote) - I'm not thinking about REPLACING, rather using it ALONGSIDE ... how does this thought go down then?!
 
there's also the panasonic TZ series if you want holiday grade but long zoom, and is a compact camera, and pretty reasonable :)
 
Or to sum up my post in other words - I'm getting a 18-50 2.8. Are there any good reasons for keeping the 18-200? (I think it'd be INSANE to take both the 18-50 and 18-200 on holiday with me....)

Only thing I can think of is I'd be stuck without a tele for travelling with. Which is where the idea of a superzoom came in.
 
I'm not thinking about REPLACING, rather using it ALONGSIDE ... how does this thought go down then?!

Personally, I'd prefer to have a DSLR and a compact -- to me a bridge camera is a very odd beast, too big to take with you when space is a problem, and doesn't seem to buy you that much over a super-zoom compact (esp. quality). ok, as you say more zoom, but I'm not sure something over 300mm equiv. is actually that useful.
 
Or to sum up my post in other words - I'm getting a 18-50 2.8. Are there any good reasons for keeping the 18-200? (I think it'd be INSANE to take both the 18-50 and 18-200 on holiday with me....)

Only thing I can think of is I'd be stuck without a tele for travelling with. Which is where the idea of a superzoom came in.

If I might need reach when needing a light 2.8 kit I pair a 2.8 zoom with a consumer zoom at the other end.

So, on DX I'd pair say a 17-55/2.8 with a 55-200vr.
 
My idea exactly - I'm getting an 18-50 2.8 as my walk about, AND would use the superzoom to soak up the rest of the 'walkabout' teleshots. Ideally I'd get a D40ish camera and mount the 18-200 on, but with the rest of my gear that would be ridiculously heay. You're right, you'd be crazy to bring a bridge to a party...lol!

To everyone else (I'm not sure how to quote multiple people in one post without writing it by hand after the initial quote) - I'm not thinking about REPLACING, rather using it ALONGSIDE ... how does this thought go down then?!

If you're just getting a bridge/superzoom to capture "above 50mm", then why not just get something like a 55-200 or a 70-300 VR? I bought an old Nikon 70-210mm f4-5.6 and it's fab. The 70-210 is lovely and compact, sharp and build like a small tank. Then you're only carrying one extra lens as opposed to another camera. Uncle Ken rates it - http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/7021056.htm
 
honestly stick with the 18-200 or get a cheap body, that's probably my plan when i get actual spare funs, something tiny like a d40 and my 18-200 :)
 
If you're just getting a bridge/superzoom to capture "above 50mm", then why not just get something like a 55-200 or a 70-300 VR? I bought an old Nikon 70-210mm f4-5.6 and it's fab. The 70-210 is lovely and compact, sharp and build like a small tank. Then you're only carrying one extra lens as opposed to another camera. Uncle Ken rates it - http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/7021056.htm

True, I can see where you're coming from - but my reasoning is that it's pretty rare when walking about (for me anyway) that I need to fire off more than a few shots of the tele end. Which means - put camera bag down, fish out lenses, change, put back into bag, take the shot, then do it all again to change back! Fair enough, if I was going to shoot sports, I'd get a nice tele on no doubt about it - I just question their practicality and likelihood of being used whilst walking about or when on holiday (which is pretty much the only time I'd see a use for the 18-200). And with a superzoom, chances are its about the same weight as a lens, so it wouldn't be much difference, as well as the benefits of two cameras, shooting tele and wide with much more freedom..?
 
honestly stick with the 18-200 or get a cheap body, that's probably my plan when i get actual spare funs, something tiny like a d40 and my 18-200 :)

My 'holiday' camera bag was: D200, 18-200, 10-20, SB600, 50mm, accessories like batteries etc. as well as whatever I was using on the day - bottled water,clothes, food etc. This was torture, even with a supportive backpack like I had. The thought of another D40 AND 18-50 2.8 lens in there is pretty much out of the question!
 
Also, most holiday shots are 'snapshots' - rarely going above 100mm really

I love small cameras and out of work use my compact more than anything else. I think it's worth underlining your point above though as quality is always going to be better than quantity. A compact with a good lens could well be a better long term bet than a bigger bridge with more zoom but less image quality.
 
Just to give you some more ideas consider this:

50mm f/1.4 - very light, excellent image, OK for head and shoulder portraits
105mm macro VR - excellent headshot lens, and also a fast generic telephoto

I don't know if nikon has anything like Canon 24-105mm f/4 IS but that is a certainly good lens that still makes me think about giving up 24-70mm.

A compact? Maybe Olympus PEN or the new panasonic. I would never use anything smaller than m4/3 sensor. It is really a waste of time if you want printable results.
 
It is really a waste of time if you want printable results.

That's really far too generic a statement to be accurate.
 
...The 18-200 is the only lens I bought with my camera :) That was from all the reviews.
Does this mean I was 'duped' and should've got something else?
 
...The 18-200 is the only lens I bought with my camera :) That was from all the reviews.
Does this mean I was 'duped' and should've got something else?

No. It's a decent enough lens as a starter and will give you decent enough results. I think Cheng's first paragraphs says it all. My experience of the 18-200 was similar. The problem with it is that you will get some super sharp photos along with some disappointingly soft ones. In time, you will want more from your lens and you may want to move on. But see what results you get with it for the time being.
 
Don't forget, with a bridge camera you can't 'throw a fast prime in the bag'.
When skiing I take the 18-200 and throw the 35mm f/2 in the bag (or pocket, it's so small) also. Light enough kit for the slopes without too big a backpack, and small enough to keep in the cabin bag on the plane.

The 18-200 isn't a patch on my 300mm f/4 which I really want to take, but I still get some nice shallow DOF shots that I just never could with the range of compacts and bridge cameras I've used before. The DOF is driven partly by the focal length and compacts have very tiny "real" focal lengths (yes they have an equivalent that can match many SLRs due to the small sensor, but it's the real physical focal length that's important for DOF).

I feel different cameras & lenses for different purposes though. I've got the D70 for quality stuff. The primes and quality lenses for situations where I can carry all the kit. 18-200 & 35mm for lighter travel. My Compact P60 for just having a camera in the pocket situations (and often take it on the mountain bike, and pretty much always have it with me generally). I'm planning on a second SLR like a D300 and keep the D70 as a second body (e.g. for airshows where I use the 300mm prime often and don't want to swap lenses often), and might get a good quality super-zoom bridge for gigs as the P60 isn't quite cutting it and without a pass the security in some gigs is a bit tight on SLRs.
 
I'm trying to be a slr purist, I really am, but the more I think about it, the more I realise I hardly use the 18-200 VR anymore, and the better a bridge would be for the 70-200+ range?

I'm actually thinking about going the other way!

Having just purchased a Nikon D5000 w/ kit lens after almost two (happy) years of using a Sony H7 I'm wondering if I should still take the bridge with me or if I should one day purchase something like the Tamron 18-270 for the Nikon.

I have really enjoyed the H7 as I learned a lot using it and it has given me some really good results but only really at 1SO 100. I have rarely used anything higher due to very evident noise.

A superzoom lens on the D5000 does quite appeal to me. I really like the ability to quickly go from wide to telephoto to, for example, get both a telephoto and wide shot of a fast moving train.
 
i only have the 18-105vr at the moment and if i had a chose of only one lens as a general i would prefer to have the 18-200vr (still on the list when i can afford it)

but my main photos are family/friends so my main priortiy is to get something like the 50mm prime or tam 28-75 f2.8

or as above i wouldn't mind trying the tam 18-270vr as a one lens option too for holidays etc.
 
p.s i had a 18-200 for my previous camera, but not as good as the nikon version and didn't use it as much, but it had it outing when i wanted a bit more reach and days out
 
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