154mph on a public road....

Do you think the length of ban is

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No. It's hard to apply any sanction to those who don't get caught though.
 
Nod said:
No. It's hard to apply any sanction to those who don't get caught though.
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And given the amount of asswipe speeders on the roads, it would appear the majority either don't get caught, or continue driving illegally.
 
Tringa said:
I hope the request to review the sentence is granted and perhaps the above can feature as an indication of this character's level of contrition.
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There were a couple of local scrotes near me who got a lenient sentence from a magistrate. They left court & went on `social media` bragging, laughing & calling the magistrate names.
Court dragged them back in & they got a custodial sentence! :cool:
 
Nod said:
Anyone stupid enough to get caught doing over double the speed limit deserves to have driving privileges removed on a permanent basis.
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Of course you can't be penalised if you aren't caught, but this sentance implies that you are only stupid if caught ?
 
andyscott said:
Its a huge contributing factor and sometimes cause in fatalities though.

He wasnt trained to drive at that speed, so his attention to the speed limit was lacking.
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Got it, we ignore the fact that driver Innatention is the biggest cause of accidents, and concentrate on a contributing factor. Just like you ignore the fact that I described the guy as an idiot and you quote mine to make your point.

But hey trial by mob and looking down your nose at people so obviously your social inferior is the way to go. Or so it would appear judging by how many people clearly know better than our boring old justice system.
 
Nod said:
Anyone stupid enough to get caught doing over double the speed limit deserves to have driving privileges removed on a permanent basis.
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He's 20, made a silly mistake, got carried away having fun in the car and didn't think about the consequences. You don't when you're 20.
He'll lose his licence for a while, possibly have to resit a test, higher insurance, probably has sold his car before the trial and probably return to driving with something more normal for quite a few years.

Thats why we have a legal system that takes circumstances into consideration. In this case I think he's been lucky with the sentence and it could have been much higher. Just ask ST4.
There should be some followup, he gets taken to speak to people who lost sons through car crashes, gets shown the aftermath.

BUT
What is it with this mock internet outrage that seems to be the norm these days. Lets all be morally outraged and type something on the internet.I don't undrstand it, the mob mentality.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Calling names I feel exactly the same about you. If you must think so narrowly inside the little cardboard box you should perhaps think why we ARE NOT discussing or a very afraid to openly discuss any major events right now?
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LongLensPhotography said:
Why are we bowing down to regressive PC brigade?
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Thinking that a 7 week ban for doing 154mph is insufficient makes me part of the regressive PC brigade? Dude... you need a reality check.


LongLensPhotography said:
I don't mind you being outraged about a few road t***s like him (and I do myself when I go near Birmingham)
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Then what's your problem?


LongLensPhotography said:
however it is ignorant and idiotic to supplant the reality with small minor irritations like this.
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What?? LOL Who said I've "supplanted" reality? Here's where I suspect you're perhaps stupid, or on the spectrum...(not that there's a connection between the two before anyone shouts at me) or something.... People.. well, intelligent ones any way, are more than capable of discussing multiple subjects in multiple places. It is perfectly possible to discuss the the failings of capitalism, and the benefits of UBI as we head into a post-capitalist society in one thread.... and someone's speeding ticket in another. This however, is a thread about someone's speeding ticket, so surprise, surprise... that's what we're talking about, and here you are too! Why are you here? Do you not have more important things to discuss?

Also, if you're so outraged by the world, and think anyone discussing anything less than the most important, world-shaking events is somehow evading reality, why aren't you using your photography to discuss the state of the world instead of taking twee, saccharin-sweet chocolate box landscapes, and overly idealised crap? Surely an intelligent person, with a creative talent who is so outraged by the world as you are should be finding a creative outlet for it? Nope.... you shoot pretty things.

Hypocrite. Sod off.



LongLensPhotography said:
I am fed up with ignorant individuals who cannot see beyond their nose and trendy paradigms yet pretend to be judges, spiritual leaders and mental doctors. You are neither.
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Add me to your blocked users list then... idiot.
 
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Nod said:
Anyone stupid enough to get caught doing over double the speed limit deserves to have driving privileges removed on a permanent basis.
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Typical old person statement. You've forgotten all the stupid crap you got up to as a kid then?

2 months is a shockingly low period to ban him, but permanent? LOL


I suppose you're in favour of bringing back hanging and national service too huh?
 
viv1969 said:
And given the amount of asswipe speeders on the roads, it would appear the majority either don't get caught, or continue driving illegally.
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It's just a feeling but I think there's less 'antisocial' speeding these days, people tearing around local roads, the excessive overtakers. This is probably down to a number of factors, speed cameras, fuel prices and an emphasis on more fuel efficient cars, an aggressive attack on speeding by the police to make it less acceptable morally and probably busier roads and poorer road conditions. Sure you still get some on the motorways traveling at 90-100, but most seem to be in the 80mph area.

Of course, human nature being what is is, there's always impatient, discourteous people in all aspects of life, especially when disconnected directly from others, in that safe cage of a car, anonymous on the internet etc. Probably if face to face they wouldn't behave the same way.
 
Byker28i said:
, but most seem to be in the 80mph area.

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Which, forgive me (and my reply is in no way posted in the name of pedantry), is still speeding.
It's as if people consider it OK to break the law if "it's only a little bit".
 
viv1969 said:
Which, forgive me (and my reply is in no way posted in the name of pedantry), is still speeding.
It's as if people consider it OK to break the law if "it's only a little bit".
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Yes most people think it is ok to break the law, when the law is an arbitary one. But changing people's attitudes is what a report like this is about, social engineering for the sheeple.

Speeding can join the long list of things no longer considered socially acceptable by the chattering classes.
 
Bearair said:
Yes most people think it is ok to break the law, when the law is an arbitary one. But changing people's attitudes is what a report like this is about, social engineering for the sheeple.

Speeding can join the long list of things no longer considered socially acceptable by the chattering classes.
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What on earth are the chattering classes?
 
Not defending this prat or the lenient sentence, but how many people who want him hung drawn and quartered have used a mobile phone in the car?

Arguably just as dangerous, illegal, but for some reason deemed by some to be acceptable, personally would like it dealt with the same as drink driving.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Just what I was wondering.
Can't believe some of the crap that folks come away with. :p
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Go to google, put in chattering classes and find out for yourself, education is good for you.
 
viv1969 said:
Which, forgive me (and my reply is in no way posted in the name of pedantry), is still speeding.
It's as if people consider it OK to break the law if "it's only a little bit".
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Yup but that little bit seems to be the socially accepted speed on the motorway for a lot of people. 5 years ago in the commute that would have been 90-95.
Personally with todays modern cars I don't find that an issue, but I do find the distances people leave between as an issue, which is probably the cause of the most 'accidents'.
Note I don't like the word accident as most are caused by carelessness.
 
The one thing that gets me on this (and I haven't read the article) is that if the car was modified, did the insurance company know ? At his age a modified car would be very expensive to insure. If it wasn't declared, the car was not insured and should have been confiscated.

I'm into cars, but the amount of people who modify the performance and then don't modify the brakes & suspension is startling, and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the modified cars on the roads aren't declared to their insurance companies. When I modified my Focus ST, I did it with the full knowledge of the insurance company and the brakes were uprated as well.
 
I did also reply on here, saying what idiots these speeders are. Some of us do forget what we did in our younger days, even I did till I reminded myself.

Many years ago I bought a Kawasaki ZZR 1100, it was nicknamed the Big Boss at the time. It was the fasted production bike of it's day. I got talking to a fellow owner of one, at the time. He said, " John do you know, they can do 70 MPH in first gear, and they have a top speed of 175 MPH ? " I said I know, I read it in Bike magazine. He too, had obviously read it.

How many of us, will admit to ever doing over a Ton ?
 
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Bearair said:
Go to google, put in chattering classes and find out for yourself, education is good for you.
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I suspect I can live without knowing wtf you're wittering on about, so I'll give it a miss, thanks. :-)
The mere fact that you think it's OK to break a law just because you don't like it, tells me all I need to know.
 
Yeah. The guy was an idiot but I suppose many of us did things that were recklessly stupid when we were younger, and got away with it.

Back in the 'old days' (1980s) drinking and driving wasn't regarded as anything more than a misdemeanour in SA, and even the cops and the courts didn't take it too seriously, unless you caused a serious accident. That's changed now and the 0.05mg limit is enforced, usually as leverage to exact a bribe at the roadside...

I know a few guys with superbikes who still wind them up to 300 km/hour on a particular freeway run, early on a Sunday morning when there's no traffic, just outside Joburg. No-one seems to get too excited about it, but that's SA.
 
viv1969 said:
I suspect I can live without knowing wtf you're wittering on about, so I'll give it a miss, thanks. :)
The mere fact that you think it's OK to break a law just because you don't like it, tells me all I need to know.
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Well I was curious enough to see what the latest buzz words mean,
from the Cambridge English dictionary..
well-educated middle-class people who enjoy discussing political, cultural, and social matters and who express opinions on a lot of subjects.
Just sounds like human nature to me :)


Back to the "subject matter"
It would seem that as the law has been slowly making speeding as socially unacceptable, as DD, people believe the hype,
and it was a good excuse to start adding more and more revenue collectors over the years. (with our concent of course ;) )
To be fair, most of them, on other roads, are now marked with a speed limit, just before the camera, so there really is no excuse to break the 11th commandment.

But I'm old enough to remember when they were starting to be introduced, without warning, ( no camera warning signs)
the camera's themselves were hidden behind direction signs & behind trees ( and that was the position of first two introduced here, just inside the speed limit drop)
Of course they were there for no other reason but to collect money.

After a few up roars ( well people getting "off" on a technicality), the camera's were then made more visible, both by location and by painting them bright yellow,
until then, they had been a dull grey colour, the "visible ones" pretty much merging into the landscape

Remember this is in the days, when everyone took little notice of speed limits, but drove to the conditions of the road and weather.

Now it seems the "show and tell" camera's are not as effect as they used to be as people get to know the locations and can spot them from a distance.
The HADEC's on the other hand, are back to stealth mode, certainly on the M25 section that I use regularly J23 - to the road work section heading towards the DartX.
They are all but 1, are mid grey side mounted on the gantries and so merge nicely into the background on the M-way verges and vegetation.

Of course I know the old saying, don't speed and you won't get caught. Or at least if you are going to speed make damn sure you know the locations of the camera's on your route.
( the information is there )

Edit, but of course its now very difficult to spot an un marked police car, especially now as various breeds are being used, not just the obvious hi-powered marques.
 
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tijuana taxi said:
Not defending this prat or the lenient sentence, but how many people who want him hung drawn and quartered have used a mobile phone in the car?

Arguably just as dangerous, illegal, but for some reason deemed by some to be acceptable, personally would like it dealt with the same as drink driving.
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We want a fair sentence for the gravity of the crime... not his guts on a stick.
 
Cobra said:
well-educated middle-class people who enjoy discussing political, cultural, and social matters and who express opinions on a lot of subjects.
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Furthermore... what exactly is wrong with that anyway? Rather that than ignorant, apathetic idiots who have no idea what's going on, as that just leads to either governments manipulating us, or something as stupid as people voting to leave Europe.
 
Gremlin said:
So it's ok as long as you don't get caught ?
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I know you are playing devils advocate here but you actually being up something which I feel is important in the speeding debate.

Quite simply if you speed regularly and are inattentive and fail to see bright yellow cameras, big stripey vans and policemen then you will get caught. It would suggest that you are also unlikely to see a child running out into the road chasing a football for example. In my opinion the sort of person who gets caught regularly is least qualified to break the limit.

On the other hand if you speed every single day but are an attentive driver who has never been caught speeding to me only part of this is down to luck. If you are alert and focused on what you are doing and able to react to a mobile speed camera or even better know to lift off at blind spots where they, or another hazard, could be round the corner then you would be more likely to stop for the kid running out in the road and in some ways a safer driver to be speeding than the inattentive one who keeps getting caught!
 
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Thinking that a 7 week ban for doing 154mph is insufficient makes me part of the regressive PC brigade? Dude... you need a reality check.




Then what's your problem?




What?? LOL Who said I've "supplanted" reality? Here's where I suspect you're perhaps stupid, or on the spectrum...(not that there's a connection between the two before anyone shouts at me) or something.... People.. well, intelligent ones any way, are more than capable of discussing multiple subjects in multiple places. It is perfectly possible to discuss the the failings of capitalism, and the benefits of UBI as we head into a post-capitalist society in one thread.... and someone's speeding ticket in another. This however, is a thread about someone's speeding ticket, so surprise, surprise... that's what we're talking about, and here you are too! Why are you here? Do you not have more important things to discuss?

Also, if you're so outraged by the world, and think anyone discussing anything less than the most important, world-shaking events is somehow evading reality, why aren't you using your photography to discuss the state of the world instead of taking twee, saccharin-sweet chocolate box landscapes, and overly idealised crap? Surely an intelligent person, with a creative talent who is so outraged by the world as you are should be finding a creative outlet for it? Nope.... you shoot pretty things.

Hypocrite. Sod off.





Add me to your blocked users list then... idiot.
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Once again you are pretending to be a wiseman, a judge, or perhaps just somebody with too much spare time, hatred and vitriol. Let's hope you get "ignored" by everyone on here for your pathological emptiness.

UBI and post-capitalist society? Another self-confessed communist...

You poor hypocrite descend on the lowest level of personal insults. You know mind your own photography and your own business until you are asked. Why are you so outraged that I seek beauty and harmony through photography? Does the God's creation, beauty, the natural cosmos insult you or hurt you in any way? Oh poor... you need your gritty noir urbex safe space. I should have known better. Let's see your art and pick it apart for how worthless and pathetic it is. You don't even dare to share your website link. Only a total soul-less creature would descend on an attack like this. :mooning:
 
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LongLensPhotography said:
Once again you are pretending to be a wiseman, a judge, or perhaps just somebody with too much spare time, hatred and vitriol. Let's hope you get "ignored" by everyone on here for your pathological emptiness.

You poor hypocrite descend on the lowest level of personal insults. You know mind your own photography and your own business until you are asked. Why are you so outrage that I seek beauty and harmony through photography? Does the God's creation, beauty, the natural cosmos insult you or hurt you in any way? Oh poor... you need your gritty noir urbex safe space. I should have known better. Let's see your art and pick it apart for how worthless and pathetic it is. You don't even dare to share your website link. Only a total soul-less creature would descend on an attack like this. :mooning:
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Anyone else seeing the irony here? :D
 
BBR said:
Well I do, its a stupid law.
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Ohhhhh OK. It's ok to break all those laws we disagree with.
Glad you cleared that up. o_O
 
viv1969 said:
You sir, are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history.
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Let's have a quick vote if should take up Viv's generous offer :P

Oh and why only "white man"? Isn't that a little racist, sexist and non-PC? :)
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Let's have a quick vote if should take up Viv's generous offer :p

Oh and why only "white man"? Isn't that a little racist, sexist and non-PC? :)
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We'll add "comprehension failure" to you list of failings. :-)
(And how it can possibly be sexist, I don't know.)
Toddle on. :-)
 
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