12mm or 14mm Samyang

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I thought I'd get into Astrophotography and have bought a Samyang 14mm 2.8 lens. It's currently in the post, but I'm wondering if I should have ordered the 12mm 2.0 lens...?

I have a Canon 50d crop sensor.

Should I do a quick swap? I'm reading that one might be best for full frame, but my crop might prefer the 12mm...?

Anyone with experience of these lenses?

Thanks.
 
Is it brand new? Just be aware there are a lot of bad copies of them! I found a sharp 14mm and it's brilliant
 
The 12mm is widely regarded as a good crop astro lens. The 14mm is for full frame and is about 3x the size if the 12mm!

EDIT: Hang on is there a 12mm that will fit a DSLR? Aren't they all for mirrorless mounts?
 
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I wouldn't use a fish eye. De fishing can sometimes produce odd results, you're better off with the 14mm which is excellent.

I use it on FF, it's very, very sharp and great for Astro [emoji3]
 
For Astro on a crop look at one on the tokina super wide f2.8 zooms these start at 11mm and are not fisheye. The 14mm is great on full frame but not all that wide on a crop.
 
Or get an a6000 and the 12mm f2 CSC lens :)
You could also look at the 10mm samyang though its f2,8 like the options you posted yourself.
 
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Or get an a6000 and the 12mm f2 CSC lens :)
You could also look at the 10mm samyang though its f2,8 like the options you posted yourself.

There was nothing about the OP wanting a new body?
 
There was nothing about the OP wanting a new body?
Call it a rear lens cap then :) Things got stirred up by the 12mm f2 mentioned in the op. That is a csc lens and what the OP meant was the 12mm f2,8 fisheye which was advised against in earlier posts. So is the wider angle and f2 is required that could bean option but it was meant as a joke.
The 10mm though is still suggested
 
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Not my genre, but, on the topic of fish-eyes; I thought that astro-photography was actually one of the places that they were actually the more 'correct' tool for the job.
The fish-eye 'effect' isn't actually a distortion; they are rendering an enormously wide angle of 'curved' view onto a flat plane, with 'true' angular perspective.
Non-Fish-Eye, 'Rectaliniar' lenses, are the ones that are actually 'distorting' the image, squashing a curved plane of view onto a flat sensor plane.
For very small angles of view, from a long telephoto, the very small angle of curvature of the scene is so small that it 'tends' to flat, over the scale of projection, and is still reasonably close as focal length tends to the 'normal', Whilst as you enter the realms of UWA lenses, the angle of view is so large that the amount of 'distortion' by way of 'rectilinear correction', can be quite enormous.
Its like the maps of the world, squashing the orange-peel, you get the Mercator effect, where the at the poles, the angle of the earths curve is so great in relation to the perpendicular angle of view, you have to either segment it like a peeled orange, and leave 'gaps' between the flattened segments, or you have to enormously 'stretch' the ends of the segments to fill the gaps.
On paper, filling the frame, such a map of the earth looks more natural, but its actually enormously distorted, and measurements on the paper are not to scale depending whether you are measuring North-South or East West.
Fish-Eye images then, rendering the curved scene to a circle, and lacking the 'distortion' to squash the circle into a square, are actually a more natural and accurate rendering of the scene, and linear measurements on the image, are actually true-scale, lacking that squashed orange peel 'correction' to fit the circle in the square.
As said, it's not a genre I indulge in, but it is a 'quirk' of UWA and fish I have actually observed, displayed trying to use either, to work in confined spaces to get photo's of motorbikes, where things like handlebars or wing mirrors, that much closer to the camera, than the main subject, the side of the bike, a Fish-Eye often renders them much more naturally, where I have observed some quite 'unnatural' distortion of what should be straight lines, like a mirror stem, from a UWA, which isn't 'fishy' just plain weird! In some cases, not so much bowing as actually wobbling bending in more than one direction, as the rectilinear correction hammers the orange peel flat at the edges, to make the circle, square!
I suppose that with Astro-photography, the camera-to-subject distance is so enormous, that something a few million miles closer to the camera at the edge of the frame, than in the middle, that the perspective doesn't give such a marked 'wobble', but I would still have thought it would have bee discernible.
Is the more accurate 'uncorrected' perspective provided by Fish-Eyes then, actually not an advantage in Astro-Photo, or only in scientific astro-photo, where images are used for plotting ad mapping and will be measured, where for observational Astro-Photo it's merely the aesthetic merit that matters?
 
New here. I bought a 14mm for a bit of fun to go on an A7R. Here is a test shot:

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and one for real

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These have been lens corrected in Lightroom. For a £300 lens reasonably sharp and not as distorted as I would have imagined. It's not what I would think of as fish-eye distortion.
 
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New here. I bought a 14mm for a bit of fun to go on an A7R. Here is a test shot:

32853260601_86f660a632_c.jpg


and one for real

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These have been lens corrected in Lightroom. For a £300 lens reasonably sharp and not as distorted as I would have imagined. **It's not what I would think of as fish-eye distortion**.

Indeed, because it's not a fisheye :)

The Canon mount is as sharp as some of my L lenses IMO.
 
Indeed, because it's not a fisheye :)

The Canon mount is as sharp as some of my L lenses IMO.

I thought others were suggesting it was fish-eye. It is sharp, but the mount itself is a bit loose. Doesn't seem to be a problem.
 
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