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Hi,

I've been using a 1000d for a couple years now and have got on well with it however I'm thinking that I would like to upgrade to something a bit more powerful soon. I would like to start recording video soon, would like to use higher iso values without it getting really noisy.

Would a 650d be a worthwhile upgrade from a 1000d considering the reasonable cost to upgrade, I have noticed the 60d is of a similar price and although it has the better build quality and 2nd screen the 650d seems to be better on paper?

What are people's thoughts on this upgrade? Would it seem worth while and would I be likely to get a good trade in on my 1000d , 18-55is & 18-55 non is

Thanks

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AdamGP86 said:
I would like to start recording video soon,
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In that case get the 650D it has continuous autofocus in video record mode (the only Canon SLR that does so far) For everything else you will be hard pushed to notice any difference in still image quality. Yes the 60D is slightly bigger and is definitely a better build quality than the XXXD series but don't get too hung up on that, all modern SLRs are pretty damned tough and you would have to be using it in pretty extreme conditions for it to be a deal breaker.

As for would it be worthwhile ? Trust me compared to the 1000d there is no comparison.
 
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Gazamonk said:
In that case get the 650D it has continuous autofocus in video record mode (the only Canon SLR that does so far) For everything else you will be hard pushed to notice any difference in still image quality. Yes the 60D is slightly bigger and is definitely a better build quality than the XXXD series but don't get too hung up on that, all modern SLRs are pretty damned tough and you would have to be using it in pretty extreme conditions for it to be a deal breaker.

As for would it be worthwhile ? Trust me compared to the 1000d there is no comparison.
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Thanks for the reply, yes from reading some review the video on the 650d sounds really impressive and I'm really struggling to find a justification to budget for an xxd or xd model since I'm a hobbyist and don't plan to spend much on new lenses for a while. It would most likely have my tamron 17-50 2.8 permanently on it unless I get really I to video and invest in an STM lens.

I think I better go down to my local camera shop and have a play and see what I can get for a px. I'm shooting a family wedding in october and I imagine the much improved iso performance will come in handy.
 
i've just gone from a Canon 1000D to a 60D.

Well worth it.
If you are going to be taking pictures with a bit of video here and there go 60D.
If you are going to be videoing with a few pictures go 650D
 
I've just bought a 650D with 18-135 IS STM and have to say that so far I am very impressed. First day out with it yesterday taking a few shots at Cowes week.

I havent pushed the video as yet but have had a play indoors and the continuous AF works ok. Not as fast as a dedicated video camera but if you have subjects that are not fast moving you should be fine.

Very impressed with the 18-135 IS STM lens, its very quiet and the image quality so far appears to be superb.

I got mine from Panamoz and saved a huge chunk of cash compared to buying from a shop here. Well worth thinking about.

I've never used a 60D so cant comment on their differences. I went for the 650D based on early write ups and the fact that I wanted something with a tilt/swivel screen for making low down shots much easier. The continuous video AF is a bonus but it will be very useful at times.

In the hand it feels nicely built, not as solid as my 1D but then again you pay for what you get.

Given the choice (and a 60D was also on my list of possibles) I would go for the 650D and definitely invest in the 18-135 STM lens. In the manual it states that zooming is not recommended while shooting video as the camera may not correct exposure changes. The only exception is the 18-135 ;)

I cant post samples as I'm still on holiday and unable to upload anything. I've been shooting RAW and in aperture priority as I mostly do and so far exposures have all been pretty spot on, only a couple of very bright light scenes have fooled it so far. East to spot though and dial in some exp compensation.
 
Hi Adam, it doesn't give your location in your info but if you are anywhere near Lincoln you'd be quite welcome to come and have a look at a 60D and a 650D in action. I use the 60D as a backup to a 5D3 and I'm really pleased with it. The IQ is great and the AF system is very accurate, the 5 fps is pretty decent if you need it and the ISO performance is pretty good as well.

The 650D is the wifes and is a very good match with the 60D. The ISO performance is great, it also has 5 fps and a good burst buffer, the IQ is at least as good as the 60D for stills and slightly better on video with normal lenses and even better with an STM lens. The AF is very good on it too but probably the best part is the touch screen. It's very responsive and only needs a slight touch for it to work.

The only difference worth noting though, is the ergonomics. The 60D has a top screen and a rear dial (like the 5D3 and what I'm used to) and the 650D has the menu button setup similar to the 1000D that you already shoot with which might make it easier to get used to.
 
350wedge said:
In the manual it states that zooming is not recommended while shooting video as the camera may not correct exposure changes. The only exception is the 18-135
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I'm guessing this probably only applies to lenses that don't have a constant aperture?
 
ljphil78 said:
I'm guessing this probably only applies to lenses that don't have a constant aperture?
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The manual states this is the only lens that is the exception, that is very clear.

I would imagine down to the STM motor and its compatibility with the secondary AF system for video focusing. At present there are no other STM zoom lenses available but in future I'm sure there will be.
 
Thanks for the replies, this is going to be a tough choice, I had a play with a 650d in pc world today, I found the touch screen nice to use and continuous focus on video looked good. It.did feel a bit small and cramped compared to my 1000d as it was the same size but with quite a few more buttons although I would probably get a grip for it straight away like I have on my 1000d.

I'm hoping to pop into town on sat and try and play with a 60d to see how they compare.

Does anyone now of any significant advantages of the 650 over the 60 other than the touch screen and the continuous video focus and if the video focussing makes much of a difference? I have no experience in video but would like to get into it.
 
If you are looking to go into video a bit more then I would say the 650 is the one for you.

You have covered every eventuality then. You will hit a situation where you will be wishing you had something that tracks a moving subject.

As I say fast moving stuff forget it, the AF wont keep up. But general use will be fine.

Alternatively wait a bit longer, I'm sure a 65D/70D wont be too far away which will probably have the same technology albeit at a higher price!
 
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I was looking to replce/upgrade my 400d, and it was between the 600d and the 60d, after looking at loads of reviews, visits to shops for hands on, I've gone for the 60d. just ordered a grip and extra batteries, as will mainly have it attatched to a 28-300 L series.
 
Thanks for the input sofar,

I had another look around after work today, I havent managed to play with a 60d yet however I have a tinker with a 600d and a 650d and noticed that the 600d is going to ~£150 less than the 650d and ~£200 less than the 60d and started wondering if this would be a suitable upgrade.

Has anyone made a similar upgrade? Would I regret going from a 1000d to a 600d I was already strecthing my budget when I was looking at the 650d however I have been using my 1000d for 3 years and would like to get a similar ammount of use out of my next body.
 
Personally I've got large hands, so don''t get on withthe XXXD range (even with a grip on), so much prefer the XXD range (although I believe the 60D is smaller than a 40/50D?!).
Anyway - what i'm trying to say is, have a think about size - if you like the XXXD size, then I think I'd go for that.
 
Just a heads up canon are discontinuing the 60d in the next few months so prices may drop even further!!

The 650d is a very good piece of kit, I'm not sure on the touch screen but the rest of the technology is absolutely spot on, exposure is possibly the best I've seen on a xxxd range camera and the ISO handling is fantastic.

If the body was slightly bigger I'd replace my 50d with a 650d
 
Stew1982 you are correct the 60d. Is a little smaller than the 40/50d and is one of the reasons I prefer it and sold my 50d (I have smallish hands). It is however much more substantial in grip,weight,feel to the xxxD series as you point out. I am always amazed at the reluctance of togs to buy used 60Ds which are selling for rock bottom prices in the classifieds. The 60D was IMO very unfairly reviewed on its release because the body was smaller than the 50D, didn't have an aluminium chassis .........
Tbh the aluminium chassis is really neither here nor there unless you are scaling K2 or are very accident prone and plan on dropping your camera over cliffs on a regular basis. (anyone seen the digital rev you tube video where they intentionally try to wreck a bcouple of budget Dslrs ? Upshot was they pretty much couldn't and after being smashed with baseball bats, set on fire and much more, they still took photos. ) so aluminium chassis's don't impress me at all. As a result my 60D is lighter and more comfortable than my 50D ever was and is streets ahead technologically. I certainly wouldn't go back to the 50d over it.


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I just wish they had kept the lens micro adjustment thingimy from the 50d.
 
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Hi so yesteday I ended up getting a 650d, and sofar I'm very happy with it. Its similar enough to what I'm used to that it took seconds to find everything yet is much faster and supports features I wanted but didnt have.

Had a fun video shoot with a friend who wanted some drumming footage and found the results pleasing especially with only 10 mins practive.

It does look like it is not compatible with my mk1 Nissin DI622 flashgun though so I'm going to have to upgrade my flash sooner rather than later since I'll need a flash in october
 
Gazamonk said:
In that case get the 650D it has continuous autofocus in video record mode (the only Canon SLR that does so far) For everything else you will be hard pushed to notice any difference in still image quality. Yes the 60D is slightly bigger and is definitely a better build quality than the XXXD series but don't get too hung up on that, all modern SLRs are pretty damned tough and you would have to be using it in pretty extreme conditions for it to be a deal breaker.

As for would it be worthwhile ? Trust me compared to the 1000d there is no comparison.
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I'm in the same situation deciding between these, i was going for the 60d due to the better build but then saw the digitalrev video so they all seem pretty tough but i've read and heard the 60d is better for pics? and that its more weather proof but haven't read anywhere how? anyone know?
 
AdamGP86 said:
It does look like it is not compatible with my mk1 Nissin DI622 flashgun though so I'm going to have to upgrade my flash sooner rather than later since I'll need a flash in october
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If your happy with Nissin then stick with them and get a used di866 mkII. Awesome for the price and equal to and in some cases exceeding the Canon 580 ex II at half the price. :thumbs:

see this recent thread
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=431812
 
ive just demoted my 1000d to a second body and purchased a 650d as a main body.... i'm loving it!!

5 frames per second, night pic assistance which is handy ( takes multiple pics so you can expose longer without tripod in low light etc), newer quicker processor which is alot quicker, + numerous additions from the 1000d the 650d is an awesome bit of kit if your used to a 1000d!!!
 
Gazamonk said:
Stew1982 you are correct the 60d. Is a little smaller than the 40/50d and is one of the reasons I prefer it and sold my 50d (I have smallish hands). It is however much more substantial in grip,weight,feel to the xxxD series as you point out. I am always amazed at the reluctance of togs to buy used 60Ds which are selling for rock bottom prices in the classifieds. The 60D was IMO very unfairly reviewed on its release because the body was smaller than the 50D, didn't have an aluminium chassis .........
Tbh the aluminium chassis is really neither here nor there unless you are scaling K2 or are very accident prone and plan on dropping your camera over cliffs on a regular basis. (anyone seen the digital rev you tube video where they intentionally try to wreck a bcouple of budget Dslrs ? Upshot was they pretty much couldn't and after being smashed with baseball bats, set on fire and much more, they still took photos. ) so aluminium chassis's don't impress me at all. As a result my 60D is lighter and more comfortable than my 50D ever was and is streets ahead technologically. I certainly wouldn't go back to the 50d over it.


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I just wish they had kept the lens micro adjustment thingimy from the 50d.
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where do you find these used ones at rock bottom prices? every second hand camera i've come across the seller wants the same price as new a one and often more??? its seems your better off to buy a new one with a warranty
 
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