1 Dx mk2 .....released next week?

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Looks like the I Dx mk 2 is due for an announcement next week from the rumours....
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The following specifications have appeared on the DPReview forum and via Digicame-Info.

Specifications

  • 20.2MP CMOS sensor
  • Dynamic range improvement
  • Dual pixel CMOS AF
  • 61-point AF system, which range is expanded. 41-point cross-type. All of the distance measuring point can be selected
  • With lighting AF point red
  • F8 even 61 points all of the distance measuring point can be selected
  • AI AF accuracy and motion tracking has improved Servo AF III +
  • Dual DIGIC6 + processor
  • New mirror drive system that enables high-speed continuous shooting
  • Video 4K 60fps. Possible internal recording at CFast2.0T media
  • Continuous shooting up to 16 frames / sec (live view mode)
  • Dual pixel CMOS AF, enables smooth AF with 4K video
  • GPS built-in
  • USB3.0 terminal, HDMI terminal
  • Dust and water specification
  • Wi-Fi option (WFT-E8)
  • The size of 158mm x 167.6mm x 82.6mm
  • Weight 1340g




Read more: http://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii-specifications/#ixzz3ydo1nlDg

Is this spec going to tempt you?

George.
 
I think tbh it depends on the price point the 1dx mki can be had for a shade over 3k if this is say 6k I wouldn't say it is enough however no reviews yet I will reserve judgement
 
The AF will be interesting.....can't see it being that much better, but f8 af would be interesting over the sensor...shouldn't be too long to wait now!!
 
On paper the Nikon D5 AF looks way better. 153 pt, 99pt being cross type.
 
George said:
The AF will be interesting.....can't see it being that much better, but f8 af would be interesting over the sensor...shouldn't be too long to wait now!!
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Yeah, F8 over the sensor is interesting. I dont go anywhere near f8 but can understand its usefulness.
 
Was hoping for greater AF coverage similar to D5. More available at f8 will be good. Don't care about video. Looking for better noise control at 3200/6400. And improved ability to customise settings and buttons.

Hoping that a 5D3 upgrade might come the same time or soon after. One of them is going to be my retirement present to myself in July.
 
From the look of things the 5D replacement is probably coming in the Autumn, that's also going to be an interesting upgrade, probably more emphasis on video than the 1dx2
 
Mixed feelings about this. AF system looks poor by comparison with the D5 but is dual pixel. However, does this really have any effect in normal stills use or is it mainly for video and liveview? If it's the latter then seems a bit disappointing as this for me is still a stills camera before being a video camera. Also the 16fps is in liveview, no mention of what it is in normal shooting? Will it be able to C-AF at 16fps? Doubt it as I doubt liveview AF will be fast enough. So what will it be in normal shooting 12fps the same as the D5? So unless they can pull something out of the bag sensor wise it all seems a bit 'meh' to me. Cracking camera for sure, just like most modern cameras these days, but nothing mind blowing, unless it comes in around the 2k mark of course :lol:
 
George said:
From the look of things the 5D replacement is probably coming in the Autumn, that's also going to be an interesting upgrade, probably more emphasis on video than the 1dx2
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Shucks. Might just have to make do with the MkII then. Would have preferred to have a 5D3 upgrade as a second body but cant wait until the end of the year.
 
snerkler said:
Mixed feelings about this. AF system looks poor by comparison with the D5 but is dual pixel. However, does this really have any effect in normal stills use or is it mainly for video and liveview? If it's the latter then seems a bit disappointing as this for me is still a stills camera before being a video camera. Also the 16fps is in liveview, no mention of what it is in normal shooting? Will it be able to C-AF at 16fps? Doubt it as I doubt liveview AF will be fast enough. So what will it be in normal shooting 12fps the same as the D5? So unless they can pull something out of the bag sensor wise it all seems a bit 'meh' to me. Cracking camera for sure, just like most modern cameras these days, but nothing mind blowing, unless it comes in around the 2k mark of course :LOL:
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Lol, 2k Dream on!
Seriously though, I feel that Canon are slipping behind Nikon with their upgrade cameras these days (probably controversial but I was always a Canon man so genuinely no bias). I haven't owned a 1DX but have had 5D3 & 7D2 which imo were massive upgrades from their predecessors, although some might say, not in the same league as the 1DX. But Nikon seem to have gone the extra mile in their recent improvements pretty much across the board from Beginner to Pro bodies.
I guess time will tell but I think Nikon are definitely edging in front in the 'camera war' in 2015 / 16 so far.
 
Was talking to a chap recently who sold a big Canon set up including 1DX,5D3, 7DMkII for a Nikon D4S etc. he told me that he still misses some features of the Canon though. I guess you never get everything you want all the time and just get what gives you the most.

Realistically most of us can't afford to chop and change chasing photographic nirvana. My camera is way better than me and that will probably continue whatever brand I use.
 
Gaz J said:
Was talking to a chap recently who sold a big Canon set up including 1DX,5D3, 7DMkII for a Nikon D4S etc. he told me that he still misses some features of the Canon though. I guess you never get everything you want all the time and just get what gives you the most.

Realistically most of us can't afford to chop and change chasing photographic nirvana. My camera is way better than me and that will probably continue whatever brand I use.
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I totally agree with you Gaz J regarding 'chasing photographic Nirvana' - I certainly would never be so blasé as to say I had achieved all I could from any of my kit as I feel in Photography, we're learning all the time. As you say and for me certainly, my camera, no matter what I have owned, is better than me.
Even if I could afford to upgrade to the best cameras available I wouldn't as I don't believe my Photographic ability would improve enough to justify it - more time practicing would and that comes free.
 
Nothing in there to interest me for sports.. not for the price as mine focus great as is...Dont think I have ever ised f8 or the video.. have upgraded from 10d all the way up to 1dx .. two cameras at a time... the jump from 1dmkIV was massive to a 1dx for the ISO range... I cant see much about that... Looking at the spec on here.. i will stick to me two 1dx
 
Gaz J said:
Was talking to a chap recently who sold a big Canon set up including 1DX,5D3, 7DMkII for a Nikon D4S etc. he told me that he still misses some features of the Canon though. I guess you never get everything you want all the time and just get what gives you the most.

Realistically most of us can't afford to chop and change chasing photographic nirvana. My camera is way better than me and that will probably continue whatever brand I use.
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Interesting, what features are they?
 
KIPAX said:
Nothing in there to interest me for sports.. not for the price as mine focus great as is...Dont think I have ever ised f8 or the video.. have upgraded from 10d all the way up to 1dx .. two cameras at a time... the jump from 1dmkIV was massive to a 1dx for the ISO range... I cant see much about that... Looking at the spec on here.. i will stick to me two 1dx
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See too I think, Tony, however I do use f8 with a 400 DO mk2 and mk3 2xextender, but I use centre point anyway and the extra points at f8 while possibly useful won't be worth another £5k+ expenditure.

AF on the mk1 is really pretty good, if it misses it's usually my fault!!

George.
 
If the rumoured 20.2Mp becomes a reality then it would appear that it's closely matched to the resolving power of their better lenses....a sensible approach perhaps? A very modest increase in pixel density will have hopefully allowed some significant improvement in the noise signature.....a stop and a half given that it's 4 years of potential progress.

A question on the side. The Digic 6 can clearly cope with far more pixels so what is the criteria for the chosen resolution (not just the 1Dx, but sensors over the years). In the not too distant past it seemed that resolution increased model by model but this is still less than the 8+ years old 1Ds3 (that's not a complaint BTW).

Bob
 
Canon Bob said:
If the rumoured 20.2Mp becomes a reality then it would appear that it's closely matched to the resolving power of their better lenses....a sensible approach perhaps? A very modest increase in pixel density will have hopefully allowed some significant improvement in the noise signature.....a stop and a half given that it's 4 years of potential progress.

A question on the side. The Digic 6 can clearly cope with far more pixels so what is the criteria for the chosen resolution (not just the 1Dx, but sensors over the years). In the not too distant past it seemed that resolution increased model by model but this is still less than the 8+ years old 1Ds3 (that's not a complaint BTW).

Bob
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I'd imagine the main reason for only a modest increase in MP is to keep frame rate high. I doubt they'd be able to do 12-14fps with a 36mp file. Also it obviously helps keep noise down.
 
KIPAX said:
Right.. I will try and remember that..... if anyone complains I missed focus I can just say.......It's Georges fault :)
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Tony, that's unfair, I can't be held responsible for your missed focus shots...:(:(:exit:!!!...Seriously though, we all want as good an af performance as possible, I really don't worry too much about af, more about my abilities!!

 
snerkler said:
I'd imagine the main reason for only a modest increase in MP is to keep frame rate high. I doubt they'd be able to do 12-14fps with a 36mp file. Also it obviously helps keep noise down.
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So you think that they fix the desired frame rate with resolution and noise as the variables to determine the resulting optimal sensor design?
 
twist said:
On paper the Nikon D5 AF looks way better. 153 pt, 99pt being cross type.
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Agreed it does on paper but that not always works the same in real life sits, most likely to be very equal all in all. For me I can't see the need to upgrade mind you I think personally I'm getting to that stage with my gear, more than happy with the images it produces and what I'm able to achieve with it and so is my market so I will be sticking with the current version.
 
Canon Bob said:
So you think that they fix the desired frame rate with resolution and noise as the variables to determine the resulting optimal sensor design?
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Not 100% sure what you're asking here but, looking at the D5 which can shoot 12fps and rattle off 200 14bit raw frames I'd imagine this number would decrease significantly if you start introducing larger file sizes such as those with a 36 or 42mp sensor. As the D5 and 1Dx are primarily sports cameras I'd imagine frame rate and buffer capacity are more important than crazy MP numbers, after all it's rare that sports pics are blown up to billboard size or cropped heavily. 20mp should be more than enough for sports IMO.
 
Look nice but would need sell my 5DMk3 and that would cost me a arm and a leg so I think I will keep my Mk3
 
snerkler said:
Not 100% sure what you're asking here but, looking at the D5 which can shoot 12fps and rattle off 200 14bit raw frames I'd imagine this number would decrease significantly if you start introducing larger file sizes such as those with a 36 or 42mp sensor. As the D5 and 1Dx are primarily sports cameras I'd imagine frame rate and buffer capacity are more important than crazy MP numbers, after all it's rare that sports pics are blown up to billboard size or cropped heavily. 20mp should be more than enough for sports IMO.
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Certainly the pixel count is more than adequate for its intended market. 4 years ago they decided that 18Mp was enough (and it is IMO) so I wondered if anyone knew why the pixel count goes up at when it becomes a trade off with quality (noise usually). I doubt that the 1Dx market is demanding more pixels (in the same way that general consumers do) so what drives the increase when there's a price to pay.
 
Canon Bob said:
Certainly the pixel count is more than adequate for its intended market. 4 years ago they decided that 18Mp was enough (and it is IMO) so I wondered if anyone knew why the pixel count goes up at when it becomes a trade off with quality (noise usually). I doubt that the 1Dx market is demanding more pixels (in the same way that general consumers do) so what drives the increase when there's a price to pay.
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I can only assume that with the advancement in tech there's no increase in noise despite the extra MP, and maybe even better noise handling. If that's the case then they can 'cave in' to public demand for more MP :rolleyes:;)

Of course, this is all guesswork on my behalf :p
 
When the 1Dx saw the end of the APS-H sensor, Canon (or some of their rep's) stated/argued that a 1Dx capture would crop down to APS-H sensor frame size without any loss of quality despite the lower pixel density (and it appears to be true). Maybe the modest increase in pixels is aimed at improving its video capability and does nothing for still shots?
 
Canon Bob said:
Certainly the pixel count is more than adequate for its intended market. 4 years ago they decided that 18Mp was enough (and it is IMO) so I wondered if anyone knew why the pixel count goes up at when it becomes a trade off with quality (noise usually). I doubt that the 1Dx market is demanding more pixels (in the same way that general consumers do) so what drives the increase when there's a price to pay.
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Absolutely agreed, Bob, as we've said many times, will you consider upgrading?....

George.
 
Not tempted. Nothing close to what mico four thirds GIVES ME never mind promises.
 
snerkler said:
Interesting, what features are they?
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Never asked him. Not much point. He made the choice and I assume he did the research although how many of us really know what we are getting when we buy a new camera. The reviews that get done just concentrate on the usual. AF, ISO, FPS etc. No one seems to really get into the cameras menu system and find out all the little tweaks.

As an example. After owning my 1DX for 18 months I've only just found out that you can change the card it uses and the file size and setting from the main rear LCD and also choose the focus point set up on it.
 
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Stumpy said:
Not tempted. Nothing close to what mico four thirds GIVES ME never mind promises.
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I think micro four thirds and the 1DX are playing a different game don't you?
 
Gaz J said:
Never asked him. Not much point. He made the choice and I assume he did the research although how many of us really know what we are getting when we buy a new camera. The reviews that get done just concentrate on the usual. AF, ISO, FPS etc. No one seems to really get into the cameras menu system and find out all the little tweaks.

As an example. After owning my 1DX for 18 months I've only just found out that you can change the card it uses and the file size and setting from the main rear LCD and also choose the focus point set up on it.
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Yep, I agree there's more to the cameras than the stats. Usability is key which is why I'm always interested to hear about little 'gems' in cameras I've not had the pleasure of trying for myself. It's like my camera remembering the AF point when in portrait vs landscape orientation (eg centre on landscape and outer edge in portrait). Never had it before and so never missed it, but now I have it on my Nikon it really bugs me when I go back to my Olly and it doesn't have this feature :lol:
 
George said:
Absolutely agreed, Bob, as we've said many times, will you consider upgrading?....

George.
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If the MkII is two stops cleaner then I can make an argument for replacing one of the MkI's. I shoot a bit of evening sport under ropey halogen lights (small town stadia) and the noise at 52,600 reduces the "cropability" a fair bit.....uncropped shots clean up just fine. A 2 stop improvement would probably allow me to continue with the 300/2.8 and not have to bother with the bulk of the 400/2.8.

Bob
 
That's about the only improvement I'd consider as well, Bob, it'd have to be 2 stops, though.

George
 
2 Stops should benefit the dynamic range at lower iso levels too.....DR is one area where Canon are a little behind the curve.
 
I think the title to this thread is a bit missleading.. the 1dx2 isn't being released next week... from what I can gather we don't even have a confirmed spec? I still don't think it will hit the shelves this side of summer ...
 
KIPAX said:
I think the title to this thread is a bit missleading.. the 1dx2 isn't being released next week... from what I can gather we don't even have a confirmed spec? I still don't think it will hit the shelves this side of summer ...
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Tony, I was just repeating the stuff on Canon Rumours, I don't have anything concrete, and I'd agree even if it was announced next week, there will be a demand from the big outfits like Reuters etc for equipment for the Olympics so it won't be generally available for months and I did put a question mark after the statement!!!

After the 7D2 business, I'd not be a first adopter anyway!!

George.
 
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