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Hi all,

Basically looking into getting stuck into off camera wireless flash, as i do a lot of bmx photography and it seems to be what everyone is doing i thought id give it a go!

I have a yongnuo yn-560 ii http://www.amazon.co.uk/YONGNUO-YN-560-II-ELECTRONIC-SPEEDLIGHT/dp/B009APY9TO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1376323991&sr=1-1&keywords=yongnuo+yn-560+ii, and was wondering if using this wireless trigger set up, a yongnuo RF-602 http://www.amazon.co.uk/BuyInSummer-Yongnuo-wireless-trigger-receivers/dp/B0096GE9TC/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1376323803&sr=1-6&keywords=yongnuo+wireless+flash+trigger will work with a Canon 550D

It may seem a basic question but im new to any kind of 'flash' photography, so thought its best to ask before i start spending my money.

I also have an old Sigma Flashgun EF 530 ST DG, which i got given to me but it is not compatible with my 550d as the internals are to old, i was wondering if i bought the wireless kit with 2 transmitters if it would be able to fire my sigma flash?

Also, if i bought another YN-560 ii, would it be possible to trigger both flashes with that wireless flash trigger posted above?



Thanks, Elliott
 
ellb123 said:
Hi all,

Basically looking into getting stuck into off camera wireless flash, as i do a lot of bmx photography and it seems to be what everyone is doing i thought id give it a go!

I have a yongnuo yn-560 ii http://www.amazon.co.uk/YONGNUO-YN-560-II-ELECTRONIC-SPEEDLIGHT/dp/B009APY9TO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1376323991&sr=1-1&keywords=yongnuo+yn-560+ii, and was wondering if using this wireless trigger set up, a yongnuo RF-602 http://www.amazon.co.uk/BuyInSummer-Yongnuo-wireless-trigger-receivers/dp/B0096GE9TC/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1376323803&sr=1-6&keywords=yongnuo+wireless+flash+trigger will work with a Canon 550D

It may seem a basic question but im new to any kind of 'flash' photography, so thought its best to ask before i start spending my money.

I also have an old Sigma Flashgun EF 530 ST DG, which i got given to me but it is not compatible with my 550d as the internals are to old, i was wondering if i bought the wireless kit with 2 transmitters if it would be able to fire my sigma flash?

Also, if i bought another YN-560 ii, would it be possible to trigger both flashes with that wireless flash trigger posted above?

Thanks, Elliott
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Elliott

Yes they will.

I prefer the 603C

They do not have the separate trigger unit but once set up a spare unit acts as the trigger. The following covers the 603 (explain why further down) The 603 unit is a transceiver so can be used as a transmitter (hand held or cammera mounted trigger) The 602 hot shoe unit is a reciver and the trigger is a transmitter.

In terms of yout 550D both units will work with your 550.

They work with my 10D 450 500 etc.

For Canon there are 2 different trigger cables depending on which camera you are using.

The 550D uses a C1 cable that connects through the transceiver mounted on your camera via the connecting cable. My 10D is connected via a C3 cable to achieve the same.

Remember both 602 and 603 are manual only units. For ETTL you wi need 622 units.

I would suggdst the 603 units if you decide to add a yongnuo 560 III (not the II) to supplemdnt your 560 II.

The 560 III actually has a 603 transceiver unit built in. The last time I looked it was about £58 delivered. So you can expand your kit and not need to buy extra transceivers!

A 4 x 603 pack comes in aroun £40 which gives you enougb kit for 2 flashguns off cameda, a camera mounted transceivef + C1 cable and one unit as a handheld trigger.

This is how I use my set up though I have ordered a 560III unit fof a cave shoot I am doing soon.

I am likely to start building a 622 set soon but that will be in thd Autumn.

I think your Sunpak flashgun should work on the 602 and 603 as the triggers,I believe, only use the single pin to fire a manual flash.

If I am wrong I am sure someone here will correct me.

Steve
 
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Pretty much as above. The only reason that there is a problem in the first place is that Canon went through a phase of pretty much forcing people to buy their own make flashguns by severely limiting the safe working voltage that some models of their camera could cope with.

In other words, older or non-Canon flashguns would work but would or may damage Canon cameras - not necessarily immediately, but over time.

Using a radio trigger to fire the flash gets over this problem. Connecting the camera to the flash by means of a PC socket instead of the hotshoe also gets around it, but unfortunately Canon only fit PC sockets to their more expensive cameras.
 
I have a collection of old flashguns from my film days and use the 603's and Cactus V4 to get around the problem.
 
So basically, i can buy that wireless kit i linked to and it will work fine with both the yongnuo flash and the sigma flash and both will fire at the same time, using one receiver on one flash, one on the other and then the trigger mounted to my 550d with the cable provided in the kit? But everything will be manual which is not a problem to me?

Thanks a lot for the help from both of you!
 
May I suggest too, that you take a look on version III before purchase?

Flashhavoc has a nice, interesting review...
 
Ive had a look at the 603's and they seem good, but dont seem to much different to the 602's for double the money...

All i need to know now, is if i bought 602's with 1 trigger and 2 receivers, attached one receiver to my sigma flash, and the other to my yongnuo flash, will both fire when i press the shutter button?

Or would it also work with the 603's if i attached 1 transciever to one flash, one to the other and one to my camera and pressed the shutter button?
 
ellb123 said:
Ive had a look at the 603's and they seem good, but dont seem to much different to the 602's for double the money...

All i need to know now, is if i bought 602's with 1 trigger and 2 receivers, attached one receiver to my sigma flash, and the other to my yongnuo flash, will both fire when i press the shutter button?
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Yes.

Would recommend the 602s as the best cheap reliable basic trigger, especially over the 603s which are notoriously slow and are universally seen as a backward step by YN.
 
ellb123 said:
Ive had a look at the 603's and they seem good, but dont seem to much different to the 602's for double the money...

All i need to know now, is if i bought 602's with 1 trigger and 2 receivers, attached one receiver to my sigma flash, and the other to my yongnuo flash, will both fire when i press the shutter button?

Or would it also work with the 603's if i attached 1 transciever to one flash, one to the other and one to my camera and pressed the shutter button?
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How do you make the 602's twice the price of the 603's?

I found that you can get the 603s in sets of 4 for £42 and 602s in a setvof 4+ transmitter for £46 so given the 4 602s will fire 4 flashguns and 4 603s will fire 3 flashguns - there is a margin of about £9-10 for a 5th 603 (at at mos £15 for a single) Add to that the 560 III does not need a transceiver then overall the 2 units pretty well balance out if you buy the whole kit + 560 III. (You have mentioned wanting another 560)

My decider is whether the 560III wil be triggered by the 602 transmitter switch (wirelessly) or just through adding a 602 and turning off the onboard built in wireless trigger. I don't know that answer so feel future proofing with the 603s.

Lastly a thought - If the 602 transmitter trigger fails and you are out 'in the field', then thats game over. The 603 contingency is that any unit can trigger the flashes. My reason for going with 603s for location work.

In the end both will do the job.

Still mulling the move to 622s as they are over twice the price of the other kit but offer ETTL., which may speed up things when deep in the woods!

Good luck

Steve
 
Hugh Jarse said:
Still mulling the move to 622s as they are over twice the price of the other kit but offer ETTL., which may speed up things when deep in the woods!

Steve
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Do it. You won't regret it. They offer so much more than just ETTL too.
 
Kris said:
Do it. You won't regret it. They offer so much more than just ETTL too.
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I must admit I like the look of the upcoming 622 controller. Complete control of a set of 622 units and an inbuilt LCD screen to manage what is going on.

So yes the 622 is likrly to be my way forward.

Steve
 
Kris said:
Yes.

Would recommend the 602s as the best cheap reliable basic trigger, especially over the 603s which are notoriously slow and are universally seen as a backward step by YN.
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This.

Kris said:
Do it. You won't regret it. They offer so much more than just ETTL too.
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And this too re 622.
 
Kris said:
Yes.

Would recommend the 602s as the best cheap reliable basic trigger, especially over the 603s which are notoriously slow and are universally seen as a backward step by YN.
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Must say I have never found the 603s "slow"

I press the button the camera fires and the flashes all go off and voila a picture

A few guys at the camera club have 603s - I must ask them of they have thoughts re slow response.

Would be interested in what you mean by slow (even though I am 90% sure I will order 4 622s later this week!)

S
 
Hugh Jarse said:
Must say I have never found the 603s "slow"

I press the button the camera fires and the flashes all go off and voila a picture

A few guys at the camera club have 603s - I must ask them of they have thoughts re slow response.

Would be interested in what you mean by slow (even though I am 90% sure I will order 4 622s later this week!)

S
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RF603 is slow as in sync speed, not that the 602 is much faster so not such a big deal really. I prefer the smaller trigger of the 602 and while some people say the transmitter batteries are expensive, they do last forever - trigger is only active when the shutter release is pressed.

A good, fast sync-speed, cheapish basic trigger is Hahnel Combi. But there are loads about now, and all of them 'do the job' but there's nothing to touch the YN 622 for performance, versatility and price. Unfortunately, it only works properly with Canon Type-II guns so that's me out :(
 
HoppyUK said:
RF603 is slow as in sync speed, not that the 602 is much faster so not such a big deal really. I prefer the smaller trigger of the 602 and while some people say the transmitter batteries are expensive, they do last forever - trigger is only active when the shutter release is pressed.

A good, fast sync-speed, cheapish basic trigger is Hahnel Combi. But there are loads about now, and all of them 'do the job' but there's nothing to touch the YN 622 for performance, versatility and price. Unfortunately, it only works properly with Canon Type-II guns so that's me out :(
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Ah that makes sense. I don't see much difference between the 602 and 603. I don't tend to get into this is better than arguments - if they do the job then presto job done. I rarely do HSS so the basics are fine.

I do miss the lack of ETTL etc so mulling the jump to 622s

I have 2 430EX II (and a 430EX) so 622s will be fine.

Will keep the 603s for cave and forest shots. I have a few manual flashguns too.

Cheers

Steve
 
you can get a cheap lead for the 602's that use the rear socket > remote shutter cable, which is pretty nifty, would give you a cheap wireless remote that doesnt need line of sight to the little irfa red sensor.
 
602s and 603s are using radio frequencies... no need for line of sight.
 
Hugh Jarse said:
Ah that makes sense. I don't see much difference between the 602 and 603. I don't tend to get into this is better than arguments - if they do the job then presto job done. I rarely do HSS so the basics are fine.

I do miss the lack of ETTL etc so mulling the jump to 622s

I have 2 430EX II (and a 430EX) so 622s will be fine.

Will keep the 603s for cave and forest shots. I have a few manual flashguns too.

Cheers

Steve
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The 430ex less so than the mkIIs. Remote control of flash mode, flash zoom and manual levels is the major loss with the mkI. My 580ex has lain unused since getting 622s a year ago.

You are lucky with the 450d camera as well, as that was the first of the Class A cameras with camera menu control of flash settings.
 
Kris said:
The 430ex less so than the mkIIs. Remote control of flash mode, flash zoom and manual levels is the major loss with the mkI. My 580ex has lain unused since getting 622s a year ago.

You are lucky with the 450d camera as well, as that was the first of the Class A cameras with camera menu control of flash settings.
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I will not use the 430EX with the 622s but am also thinking about a YN-565 or higher. The big bug is I have been putting cash away for a 70D so something may give. It might well be the 70D as at over £1K for the body and a grey 60D or s/h ones for less than half the price I may be tempted to use the savings for a 60D + 622s etc

Steve
 
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Hugh Jarse said:
I will not use the 430EX with the 622s but am also thinking about a YN-565 or higher. The big bug is I have been putting cash away for a 70D so something may give. It might well be the 70D as at over £1K for the body and a grey 60D or s/h ones for less than half the price I may be tempted to use the savings for a 60D + 622s etc

Steve
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I've used 60ds for school cameras. They must have hundreds of thousands of shutter acs on them; they have never let me down or seen the inside of CPS. Very impressed with them. Depends on what you shoot I suppose.
 
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Kris said:
I've used 60ds for school cameras. They must have hundreds of thousands of shutter acs on them; they have never let me down or seen the inside of CPS. Very impressed with them. Depends on what you shoot I suppose.
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Pretty much anything of interest. Am out in the East Midlands and on to the borders with Lincolnshire today. Got my 450D and faithful 10D today along with my 50e with HP5 loaded doing old small derelict buildings. Boudoir shoot on Friday. Next week an Environmental Impact Assessment for a new development near Brum.

I like the mid range heavy bodies but managed to destroy a nearly new 40D a few years back and my 60D (now 70D) fund is my 40D replacement fund.

S
 
A quick look at the wireless triggers above show they have one unit that connects to the camera and one that connects to the flash. Are there any that talk directly to the flash like Canon's ST-E2?
 
omens said:
A quick look at the wireless triggers above show they have one unit that connects to the camera and one that connects to the flash. Are there any that talk directly to the flash like Canon's ST-E2?
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No. The ST-E2 uses light-code to transmit master signals. The only gun that can receive radio signals directly is Canon 600RT - and only from another 600RT or ST-E3 master.
 
Okay I think I understand - you're talking about IR transmitters. So are there any non-Canon IR transmitters like the ST-E2 that I could stick to the top of the camera and would talk directly to the 270EXII?
 
omens said:
Okay I think I understand - you're talking about IR transmitters. So are there any non-Canon IR transmitters like the ST-E2 that I could stick to the top of the camera and would talk directly to the 270EXII?
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Yes. Yongnuo ST-E2 - said to be better than Canon version, and much cheaper.
 
HoppyUK said:
Yes. Yongnuo ST-E2 - said to be better than Canon version, and much cheaper.
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What Richard said. But a pair of Yongnuo 622's are cheaper than the Canon IR trigger and much more useful. Why would you choose to use IR when Radio is better and cheaper?
 
Phil V said:
What Richard said. But a pair of Yongnuo 622's are cheaper than the Canon IR trigger and much more useful. Why would you choose to use IR when Radio is better and cheaper?
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Only that using light-code IR doesn't require a receiver unit stuck to the slave gun. Otherwise, all downsides, and quite a few of them.
 
Phil V said:
What Richard said. But a pair of Yongnuo 622's are cheaper than the Canon IR trigger and much more useful. Why would you choose to use IR when Radio is better and cheaper?
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Phil

Very good point.

The very good reason I went the 602 then 603 route. I am ordering the 622 units at the weekend.

Steve
 
The YN ste2 corrects a fault of the canons - you can swivel the head to better align with the remotes at a more acute angle.

Except the IR focus assist moves with it.

Making it pretty much pointless.

Don't throw money at outdated and surpassed technology. Go with radio.
 
Completely understood and won't be considering IR triggers now.
 
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