Windows 10 laptop can't access nas drive, other pc is fine

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My wife turned her windows 10 laptop on this morning and it wouldn't connect to our buffalo nas drive.. it's over wifi. my windows 10 machine is fine and is over wifi also.. I can see the server listed under network, but when i try to connect it says

\\server not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resourse. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions.

A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been terminated.

Fine yesterday, not today!! any ideas? I think it did some sort of update yesterday!!

Thanks
 
This is possibly update related.

Need to know exactly what sort of Buffalo NAS and also what versions of W10 you are both on:
http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=faq-Windows-10&faq=14

One possibility, if you don't have authentication set-up (so you need a user name/password to connect to the NAS shares), you might be bitten by this change the MS have made:
https://techjourney.net/cannot-conn...-network-shares-shared-folders-in-windows-10/

It's also possible the NAS is running an older version of Samba* isn't fully SMB** 3 compliant and I believe W10 has introduced some security updates that stop it falling back to earlier versions of the protocol.
If you are lucky, there's a firmware update for the NAS which includes a more recent version of Samba.

Unfortunately, searching for the issue returns all sorts of results with people doing all sorts of crazy things, and blaming W10 updates when it's their networks etc. that aren't configured properly. All I know is that, with Samba 4.3.9, there's no issues accessing Windows Shares from current versions for Windows 10.

The more information you can share about how you are mapping the drivers (or accessing them directly), the better. Hopefully we can get this resolved for you.

*This is the program that most likely runs on the NAS to enable Windows file sharing.
**Server Message Block, it's the protocol that makes Windows File Sharing work.
 
technics100 said:
Thanks for the reply. It's an old buffalo linkstation, so nothing fancy, prob a good 6 years old.. I ended up restoring it to the night before.. back and working again!! bloody windows updates!!

This is it Buffalo LinkStation Home Server NAS 300GB - http://www.practicallynetworked.com/review.asp?pid=640
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Reverting Windows isn't a good solution, if the NAS is 6 years old are there aren't firmware updates to upgrade Samba*, then you need to look at replacing the NAS or doctoring an up-to-date operating system onto it. (It's probably running something based on the BusyBox Linux Distro IIRC)

*which is old btw, first version for Unix released in 1991
 
Yeah, I think I need to look at something newer - synology or WD or Buffalo.. I had thought previously about a HP microserver, but think it's above my limits of IT!!
 
Hey Adam,
if you want a pre-built NAS box then by all means go for a Synology or equivalent, or you could do what I did and build your own!
It's straightforward and cheaper than the firmware boxes, means you have control and can swap out bits if you want to (rather than throw the whole box away).
It also means that because you built it you will get to know how it all works.
Plenty of instructables on t'net.
 
Sorry if I'm confusing you, no I'm not talking about an HP microserver only, I'm talking about any network addressed storage (NAS) box.
There's a lot of mystique built around home servers (to put the price up). Essentially, you can build a NAS server out of any PC bits and pieces (even an old PC)
just add the software (free) and hard disks, configure what you want (RAID) test it works (restore) and away you go.
The only other consideration for me was the amount of electricity consumed running 24 hours per day (and spin down when not required).
Because of that, I decided to buy a modern all-in-one motherboard complete with processor and passive cooling for silence (cost £80 inc 4GB memory).
I reused an old PC case, PSU and DVD drive.
The board uses about 10 watts when active which is comparable to modern pre-built systems.
Of course you may not have the time or inclination to build your own but I think it's worth it.
 
If you do decide to build something like this onto an older PC, a good backup solution becomes even more important.

The Microservers are particularly bargainous on the cashback offer, not too power hungry and afford the advantages of supporting ECC ram - which basically offers reduced liklehood of your data being corrupted by a single bit-flip in memory.
 
Could I literally take an old PC box and stick new HDD's in it? or is it more complicated than that?

PS.. is a microserver the same thing really? a wee PC running backup software?
 
To give you an idea, heres a thread I made about my Microserver build. This is the original N40L model which has since been superseded but you get the idea.

I used a server OS on mine just because I have access to that software, but you could easily use Synology free NAS software for example. Or a spare copy of Windows 7/8/10 etc.

https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/threads/hp-proliant-microserver-build.446804/
 
Great.. So I essentially need the following;

HP microserver
Ram
1 x OS HDD
2 x Storage HDD's
Windows 7

Keyboard, mouse and a screen
 
You only need keyboard/mouse/monitor just to set it up.

Actually, if you use HP iLO (Integrated Lights Out) to manage the server*, I don't think you need those peripherals at all. AFAIK there's a free 60 trial license to unlock all the features in iLO which costs a few quid.
You need to plug in the iLO network port and then you should be able to administer the server via a web page. You'll need attach a monitor before booting or sign-in to your router's webgui to see what IP address/hostname is assigned to the MicroServers iLO interface.

https://seiler.it/ilo-on-hp-proliant-microserver-gen8/

*I'm not sure whether any extra optional hardware is required. I've always used Dell servers so I'm not an expert on how HP do things.
 
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The iLO hardware is built-in to the Gen8 microserver so the basic functionality is always there but you need a licence to unlock the full range of facilities. I got my licence from eBay for about £30. I then didn't need keyboard/mouse/monitor at all, just power and two LAN cables. I found the IP addresses used from the client list on my router (and then assigned fixed ones). There's also a very useful HP iLO console program here that avoids needing the webGUI.

The Gen8 generally comes with 4GB RAM but note that it's unregistered ECC so you have to make sure you buy the same spec if you want more. Be very wary of eBay vendors as most of them don't seem to have a clue about static protection or decent packaging for RAM. I bought my Gen8 here but I see the price has gone up by a tenner (+ VAT) since July.

The Dell T20 is an even bigger bargain than the Gen8 at the moment but is also a much bigger box.
 
My NAS has no fan and shuts down to cold when not in use. Does the HP Microserver have the same capability? I would need it to go totally silent and and use very little power.
 
ianp5a said:
My NAS has no fan and shuts down to cold when not in use. Does the HP Microserver have the same capability? I would need it to go totally silent and and use very little power.
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Wake-on-lan.
My backup server is configured to use it. It's off for 23 hours a day. The main server wakes it up, runs the backup and then shuts it down again afterwards.
 
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Thanks. Internet info is often unclear about if a NAS has a full silent sleep mode. I once sent a Zyxel NAS back as the fan ran all the time.

technics100 said:
What NAS do you have?
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A WD Mycloud 4tb. It has no fan.

It costs the same as the discounted Microserver, but includes a 4tb disk. When I fill it up, I'll just buy a new one. By then, the 16tb ones will be cheap.

The WD works straight out of the box. But the Microserver is tempting as I might want something to tinker with.
 
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I think most NASs with more than one drive will have a fan. My Asustor 4-bay NAS has one but the microservers have two - one for the PSU and one for the system.
 
I did have a lovely Netgear 2 drive NAS, that, instead of a fan, it had a chunky heat sink between the drives. Sadly only for PATA drives and was retired. For me it's only running a few minutes a day. And it's in the living room. So a sleep mode is essential. People should be aware that they don't all sleep.
 
On putting them to sleep - you can experience problems with Windows Boxes actually finding the NAS if your network is relying on NetBios rather than DNS to resolve '\\mynas.mynetwork.whatever\myShare'. Particularly if you don't have one machine on 24/7 so the master browser role moves around.
The fix is to make the NAS act as the "Master Browser", leave it on 24/7 and hack the registry on all the other machines so they cannot elect themselves master browser.

Or, althernatively run a proper DHCP/DNS server - which any decent router should be capable of, but back in my days running a NAS I've wound up flashing DD-WRT onto a router to get it working properly.

I built my server to run silently with a low energy footprint. It has an SSD boot disk and Noctua fans. Idle power consumption was 15W before I added a quad port NIC, the energy efficient version of which was 30x more costly. Now idle power consumption is 21W. (Still less than the old Syno NAS which never seemed to spin the disks down)
The data disks in the server are spun down after 20 minutes idle. The server is absolutely silent unless the data disks are spun-up, at which point they can be heard chattering away. If it was a problem I'd look at some rubberised mounts for the disks.

The server also runs the firewall (virtualised) and DNS/DHCP services for the network, hence it runs 24/7. Samba is configured to act as master browser, although I've contemplated disabling netbios completely.

I recall my Synology 2 bay NAS being practically silent, despite having a fan. The Netgear readyNAS I had at the time was quite noisy.
 
all of my kit stays on 24/7, it's just too inconvenient waiting for a NAS/Server OS to startup. just put it in a location that isn't intrusive. The microserver (at least the N40L) does support a fan swap if you don't mind a bit of tinkering.

power wise it's peanuts too.

thinking back I'm pretty sure my old DS1010+ was quieter than my Amstrad 250Gb Sky HD+ box.
 
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I'd have to drill through thick concrete into the cellar to move it. Which I'm not going to do. But a cold sleep mode solves my problem. And saves all-day power use too. Mine spins up in about 4 seconds if I click on it. The backup program can cope too.
 
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afasoas said:
On putting them to sleep - you can experience problems with Windows Boxes actually finding the NAS if your network is relying on NetBios rather than DNS to resolve '\\mynas.mynetwork.whatever\myShare'. Particularly if you don't have one machine on 24/7 so the master browser role moves around.
The fix is to make the NAS act as the "Master Browser", leave it on 24/7 and hack the registry on all the other machines so they cannot elect themselves master browser.

Or, althernatively run a proper DHCP/DNS server - which any decent router should be capable of, but back in my days running a NAS I've wound up flashing DD-WRT onto a router to get it working properly.

I built my server to run silently with a low energy footprint. It has an SSD boot disk and Noctua fans. Idle power consumption was 15W before I added a quad port NIC, the energy efficient version of which was 30x more costly. Now idle power consumption is 21W. (Still less than the old Syno NAS which never seemed to spin the disks down)
The data disks in the server are spun down after 20 minutes idle. The server is absolutely silent unless the data disks are spun-up, at which point they can be heard chattering away. If it was a problem I'd look at some rubberised mounts for the disks.

The server also runs the firewall (virtualised) and DNS/DHCP services for the network, hence it runs 24/7. Samba is configured to act as master browser, although I've contemplated disabling netbios completely.

I recall my Synology 2 bay NAS being practically silent, despite having a fan. The Netgear readyNAS I had at the time was quite noisy.
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My router acts as the Master Browser as well as DHCP & DNS server - job done. Having the NAS as master Browser gave me real problems (such as the one Adam originally reported) with earlier versions of Windows 10 but letting the router do the job made them go away.
 
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Snapsh0t said:
My router acts as the Master Browser as well as DHCP & DNS server - job done. Having the NAS as master Browser gave me real problems (such as the one Adam originally reported) with earlier versions of Windows 10 but letting the router do the job made them go away.
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You can't always guarantee that your router acts as Master Browser without hacking every other Windows decive on the network.
It's annoying having to rely on NetBios at all. I have a tendency to disable/ignore it whenever possible. DNS is king.
 
hey guys,

I clicked onto this thread because, like the OP, I'm having trouble getting my NAS (Seagate Goflex Home) to work with W10.

I'm sure the information is right on the button but having read all of the above can I say it might just as well have been written in some alien language as I didn't understand any of it :( and Google translate doesn't help either :)

This is not a criticism, BTW, just a (hopefully) humourous observation :)
 
afasoas said:
You can't always guarantee that your router acts as Master Browser without hacking every other Windows decive on the network.
It's annoying having to rely on NetBios at all. I have a tendency to disable/ignore it whenever possible. DNS is king.
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I stopped my main PC from becoming Master Browser as that's the only thing apart from the NAS that's on all the time. The various other Windows (7, 8.1, 10, WHS) devices that are on for varying lengths of time seem content to let the router get on with it. This is observed over a period of several months, not just since last week. Perhaps the router has a bigger budget when it's election time. ;)
neil_g said:
microserver currently £125 after cashback if that helps anyone

http://www.ebuyer.com/722189-hpe-proliant-gen8-g1610t-819185-421-4gb-ram-microserver-819185-421
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Here too: http://www.serversplus.com/servers/tower_servers/hp_tower_servers/819185-421
 
Bristolian said:
hey guys,

I clicked onto this thread because, like the OP, I'm having trouble getting my NAS (Seagate Goflex Home) to work with W10.

I'm sure the information is right on the button but having read all of the above can I say it might just as well have been written in some alien language as I didn't understand any of it :( and Google translate doesn't help either :)

This is not a criticism, BTW, just a (hopefully) humourous observation :)
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Replace said NAS with a QNAP or a Synology.
I've had some experience with these GoFlex drivers and they're awful. IIRC a client had two of them which wouldn't play in the required fashion without getting spendy ... (he wanted to keep one in synch with the other) ... I had to root them both and one of them wound up completely and unrecoverably bricked.
 
AMAZING!!

Since the W10 anniversary update the NAS has been working perfectly on all 4 computers in the house :)
 
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