Why so little Olympus in classifieds ?

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I've noticed there's rarely any Olympus kit for sale in the classifieds, any views on why this is ? Sometimes see some Panasonic.

Are M4/3 users just happier with their kit and don't feel the need to trade so often ? Is it because sales of M4/3 lag behind DSLR & CSC ?

Just seems to be disproportionate given how busy the classifieds are. I've also noticed less for sale on Ebay.

Fuji appears to be the system people jump in and out of the most closely followed by Sony, i've done it myself a couple of times.

Just pulled the trigger on an E-M1 Mkii 12/40 + 40/150with TC as I need to keep size and weight down, hopefully it won't be in the classifieds anytime soon.
 
I love this camera E-M1 Mkii with a 300f4 for birds, I think they don't come up much because now so many are sold its close to a 1dxmkII and 600f4 mkII in every way apart from iso but the silent shutter leves the 1dx mkII In the shade .

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My main issue with Fuji was I ended up adding a 50/140 + 100/400 plus a couple of primes and when I started shopping for a larger kit bag I knew I was shooting myself in the foot.

I just hope I can capture fast moving dogs as well as I could with the XT-2, from what i've read it should be fine.
 
I think people often change completely from Canon and Nikon to Sony and Fuji because they see them as direct replacements
With the M4/3 systems perhaps they are often bought to accompany larger heavier kit so less likely to be sold on so readily
 
Your right Olympus gear doesn’t come up that often in the classifieds although I purchased my OMD-EM5 MK II off there and also a 17mm f2.8.
Since then I have mainly used dealers s/h sites and after my initial trials I added a couple of LUMIX 14-140mm and 100-300mm zooms.
I have now added Olympus 9mm,25mm,30mm,60mm,75mm and another body/grip this time a OMD-EM1 added a couple flash guns and set of tubes and remote.
I’m really enjoying shooting with primes again thanks to the IBIS system
 
Smaller market share, better retention as most people (including me) have moved from DSLR to mirrorless for portabiltiy reasons, cheaper cost, fun factor - probably loads of reasons.

I've just recently added the Sony A7RIII to my arsenal - but you know what? I still like the Olympus that much (looks, warmth of picture out of the box, lens range and fun to use) - I'm keeping all of it.
 
I would see it as a sign that owners are happy with their gear and tend to hang on, even when they use other systems along with.

You see loads of Fuji gear being sold on because many buy into the system cheap, older used models and lenses, and when they decide to upgrade - which is more often than M43 owners feel the need to - Another big reason is that there's not much difference between the sensors in lower and higher end M43 cameras. Upgrades are more about AF speed, better IBIS, durability, weather protection and ergonomics.

Panasonic have a bit more of a range on the cheaper end. But even at that I don't see many Panasonic cameras in classified, and I just recently put up a wanted thread for a tele lens and had no takers.
 
The proportion of equipment for sale in the Classifieds probably reflects the size of the user base for that product.
 
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Brian G said:
The proportion of equipment for sale in the Classifieds probably reflects the size of the user base for that product.
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I'm not convinced about that because M4/3 has been around a long time now so you would expect to see more gear for sale.
 
imattersuk said:
I'm not convinced about that because M4/3 has been around a long time now so you would expect to see more gear for sale.
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Look at the sales data. Canon sells more than all the others put together. Nikon in a very strong second place. Olympus' percentage market share is in single digits.
 
imattersuk said:
I'm not convinced about that because M4/3 has been around a long time now so you would expect to see more gear for sale.
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It may have been around a while, but that doesn't necessarily mean a lot of people use it.
 
imattersuk said:
I'm not convinced about that because M4/3 has been around a long time now so you would expect to see more gear for sale.
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There is probably a 'Forum' demographic to throw into the mix, M43 has in the past been looked down upon (sneered at) by 'real' photographers.....

BTW good luck with your journey into the world of the OM1 MK2, I had one on loan a while back, loved the 12-40 lens, but didn't gel with the body, it took a bit of brain re calibration as I've become Fuji institutionalized :D
 
Mr Perceptive said:
There is probably a 'Forum' demographic to throw into the mix, M43 has in the past been looked down upon (sneered at) by 'real' photographers.....

BTW good luck with your journey into the world of the OM1 MK2, I had one on loan a while back, loved the 12-40 lens, but didn't gel with the body, it took a bit of brain re calibration as I've become Fuji institutionalized :D
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Haha yes i'm not looking forward to the menus, I have smallish hands and found the body really comfortable but then again who knows, keep an eye on the classifieds in a few weeks :D
 
imattersuk said:
Haha yes i'm not looking forward to the menus, I have smallish hands and found the body really comfortable but then again who knows, keep an eye on the classifieds in a few weeks :D
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It was the function buttons doing different things in different modes that got me, I had to program them to always do the same thing.

Also if you go by the hostogram and expose like a Fuji you will get poor shadow recovery, the Olympus is much more forgiving of the highlights, its like the two cameras have histograms in slightly different places!!
 
Mr Perceptive said:
It was the function buttons doing different things in different modes that got me, I had to program them to always do the same thing.

Also if you go by the hostogram and expose like a Fuji you will get poor shadow recovery, the Olympus is much more forgiving of the highlights, its like the two cameras have histograms in slightly different places!!
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Thanks David, as always very helpful
 
Because Olympus cameras are generally so pretty that owners have them on display when they upgrade to a new one ;)
 
Mr Perceptive said:
There is probably a 'Forum' demographic to throw into the mix, M43 has in the past been looked down upon (sneered at) by 'real' photographers.....
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Weird innit? When "real" photographers will happily shoot with any half-decent camera.
 
I had the E-M1 and loved it.
I also have the Sony a7rii so it made sense (to me anyway) to sell the Oly in favour of the Sony a6300 so to have the same battery and lens mount.

Kinda regret not trying the Fuji system though.
Amazes me the amount of Fuji gear in the Classifides :confused:
 
As Richard pointed out above; it’s a simple numbers game, there’s nowhere near the same number of users.

It’s not a ‘conspiracy’ or a sign of how great they are, or snobbery or any of that other twaddle. Quite simply based on camera sales.

Check the number of Seat compared to Ford on Autotrader, or Windows phones on eBay compared to Android.
 
Whilst this is scarcely hard evidence, it's not quite the same scenario on MPB for CSCs, currently for sale are 79 Sony cameras, 84 Panasonic cameras, 46 Olympus cameras and 88 Fuji cameras. There always seems to be quite a lot of Fuji and to a lesser extent Sony items on the Talk Photography Classified Section. I think it's possible that a fair few Olympus users are using Olympus as a second system, as indeed I do. Fuji and Sony users might be more likely to be single user systems who then fall out of love with whatever they have chosen for whatever reason. However, I also tend to see various Olympus cameras for sale at very low shutter counts. My OMD EM1 had a shutter count of 800, my EM10 had a shutter count of 300 and my EPL6 had a shutter count of 300 when I bought them. Again that might suggest that these are being used a second or walkabout cameras.
 
Phil V said:
As Richard pointed out above; it’s a simple numbers game, there’s nowhere near the same number of users.

It’s not a ‘conspiracy’ or a sign of how great they are, or snobbery or any of that other twaddle. Quite simply based on camera sales.

Check the number of Seat compared to Ford on Autotrader, or Windows phones on eBay compared to Android.
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Very round numbers, but just to make the point, Canon and Nikon have been out-selling Olympus (and all the other brands) by roughly ten to one for the last decade. It goes up and down a bit, but it's of at least that order.
 
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The OP wasn’t just talking about CSC’s though....
HarveyM said:
it's not quite the same scenario on MPB for CSCs
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There are more Canon bodies on MPB than there are non Canon CSC’s in total.

Which pretty much matches the forum classifieds and indeed the forum user base.

There’s no meaningful data available for analysis but it could be argued it’s not required to answer the OP. There are fewer cameras in the classified, because there are fewer in circulation.
 
On the other hand, Canon M series is, I think, one of the biggest selling mirrorless systems in the world. Hardly ever discussed here or appear in the classifieds though.

Forum demographic certainly at play there.
 
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ukaskew said:
On the other hand, Canon M series is, I think, one of the biggest selling mirrorless systems in the world. Hardly ever discussed here or appear in the classifieds though.

Forum demographic certainly at play there.
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Where do you get that info? If true, it's strange as up until very recently I didn't even know Canon had a mirror-less line. If they take Canon's standard lenses then surely any Canon dslr user looking for a smaller side kit would opt for an M then?

We can throw assumptions about all day, I mean you could argue that there's so much Sony and Fuji in classified because people are looking to switch, they're unhappy with those systems.
 
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dcash29 said:
Most likely everyone is looking for smaller kit.
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Been trying to contact you mate at one time we spoke via PM but I cant contact you
 
When I used Olympus I tended to buy from the E System forum, the classifieds there have a goodish turnover. I think that tends to be the way with the "smaller" brands.
 
ukaskew said:
On the other hand, Canon M series is, I think, one of the biggest selling mirrorless systems in the world. Hardly ever discussed here or appear in the classifieds though.

Forum demographic certainly at play there.
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There’s quite a busy dedicated thread, but not much classified activity, the M series stuff sells quite quickly.
 
Cagey75 said:
Where do you get that info? If true, it's strange as up until very recently I didn't even know Canon had a mirror-less line. If they take Canon's standard lenses then surely any Canon dslr user looking for a smaller side kit would opt for an M then?
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I can't find the numbers but there have been various market share articles from around the world that have made surprising reading. In Japan last year for example, Canon had over 20% of the entire mirrorless market (second only to Olympus). They already had a solid share in many territories in previous years, and then they reported that their mirrorless sales were up 70% in a particular quarter over the previous year globally (against a backdrop of relatively static mirrorless figures overall). The M6 has been a big seller.

The likes of the consumer orientated M bodies and the Olympus EPL series bodies are huge sellers, but presumably often not to the sort of crowd found on photography forums.
 
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