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..... a second hand EOS1DmkII one careful owner - hardly used by a Professional Photographer Friend.

It's approx 1 to 1.5 years old and in good condition. He's a Nikon Man and can't get used to the Canon.
 
Marianne said:
says it all really lol
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Oy :embarasse - I think he can't be bothered to set it up. I understand Canon send them out preset to soft images but they can be set up to sharp / crisp. Takes some doing I understand :banghead:
 
only joking rho....I don't know nuffin about nuffin about canons...lol
 
People are trading up because of the n version which I just bought. The outgoing version could be had new recently for about £2200, but you'd be lucky to find one now.

If it's a weather proof body you're after then I'd snatch his hand off.You need weather proof lenses to take real advantage

45 point auto focus metering, super fast auto focus, spot and multi spot metering - 8 frames per second, it's an awesome action camera and the larger sensor makes more difference than you'd think to FOV.

If he's a mate you should be able to get a good deal. Has he mentioned a figure?
 
Garnock, Dazzajl and Busterboy are all members here who use that camera so they may see this and offer their thoughts on it.
 
CT said:
People are trading up because of the n version which I just bought. The outgoing version could be had new recently for about £2200, but you'd be lucky to find one now.

If it's a weather proof body you're after then I'd snatch his hand off.You need weather proof lenses to take real advantage

45 point auto focus metering, super fast auto focus, spot and multi spot metering - 8 frames per second, it's an awesome action camera and the larger sensor makes more difference than you'd think to FOV.

If he's a mate you should be able to get a good deal. Has he mentioned a figure?
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No not yet - But he's just purchased a Nikon D200, so he may want to pass the 1D on. Hopefully at a fair price :D
 
Good luck then :) If it's really mint I'd have thought up to 1800 quid perhaps, as the n version is a grand more, and the differences are nice but not THAT significant. I'm sure the soft focus will be in the set up, but see what the owners here think. It's a brute of a pro camera though- built to take a hamering.
 
How many actuations has it had? 1-1.5 years old doesn't tell the story of this camera, it could have shot 300 pics daily ;)
 
Oooh, I do like to hear of people getting a potential bargain.....gives hope to the rest of us ;)
 
Steve said:
How many actuations has it had? 1-1.5 years old doesn't tell the story of this camera, it could have shot 300 pics daily ;)
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He just doesn't use it. He doesn't like it. He keeps talking about nails in coffins for Canon. But I will find out.

But if it is a high count but fully serviced what sort of resale value does it have ?
 
I've posted similar thought based on discussions with the big players (but I'm biased so I think people tend to gloss over some of my more scathing comments :p ).
I was talking to Phil Goldsmith (Major Accounts Manager) at Calumet who told me that comapered to Nikon, Canon sales are negligable in the bigger market.
OK a lot of guys here use them but what's that? 150 - 200 camera bodies?


Just talking about camera bodies - full kits vary but will comprise of a mix of lenses of varying focal lengths.
I have 10 D2X bodies in my store for two full-time photographers and 4 part-timers - 2 for me and 2 spare, same for the other guy and 2 for the others as they need them.
At my old posting we have (now - it's changed since I've left) 20 D1x bodies; 100 D1H bodies and 200 D100 bodies to service the people coming through.
Up the road at Hereford they have 50 D1x bodies.
At Land Command they have 20 D1x bodies - now being swapped for D2x.
At the school at RAF Cosford they have 100 D1x bodies just to train on.

All the police agencies we trained use Nikon; Customs use Nikon; all the European armed forces I've met use Nikon; the US military use Nikon.
The only Canons I see are in the hands of freelance Pro's and how many of them are there?
 
What happens to all the old kit then Rob....especially lenses ? ;)
 
rhodopsin said:
He just doesn't use it. He doesn't like it. He keeps talking about nails in coffins for Canon. But I will find out.
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I don't think Canon will be too worried. ;) The 1D series are probably the most customizable cameras in the world, but anyone with a decent grasp of the basics should be able to set up the camera to how they want it.
But if it is a high count but fully serviced what sort of resale value does it have ?
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You need a special piece of software to access the actual number of shutter actuations which is recorded continuously in the camera. Canon say the 1 series cameras are good for 200,000 actuations before the shutter may need servicing or replacing, which is the equivalent of shooting a 36 exp roll of film every day for 16 years.

The original 1D at 4 mill pixels is still well sought after but has taken a bit of a price hit, whereas at 8.2 mill pixels, I think Mk2 versions will command a good price for a long time yet. I don't see myself ever having any need to part with mine, barring some camera technology revolution as radical as the original digital sensor.
 
Arkady said:
(but I'm biased so I think people tend to gloss over some of my more scathing comments :p ).
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It's the 'biased' bit which lets these sort of arguments down Rob. ;)

I can honestly say I'm not biased, I love both marques and I've owned a few Nikons. Quoting numbers of cameras held by a particular dept can sound impressive, but is probably very misleading - I think looking at the bigger picture, 1 series Canons are the preference of many many sports and reportage photographers world wide. Wouldn't you like your Nikon to take both SD and CF cards and be able to record images to both simultaneously, or Raw to one and jpegs to the other with the choice of several other permutations, or be able to switch from one card to the other at the press of a button? (two buttons actually). How many of the thousands of camera in use at the Olympic games will be Canons?.

It would be interesting if you were actually to use one Rob and post your honest thoughts, but as I've said many times, there really is nowt to choose between either marque. Each will always have some advantage or disadvantage over the other, but we'd all pay a lot more for our kit without these two giants continuously slugging it out for a slice of the market.
 
The Mk2 is the one I see in the hands of all the PJs around the bazaars - the 8.2Mpi is regarded as more manageable than the 14Mpi version (16Mpi?).

Old kit gets destroyed. By the time it's obsolete, it's generally too trashed to be of use to anyone.
Some of the MF optics I disposed of when we smashed up the 300 FM2n bodies were like bathroom window glass, they were so scratched.
Bear in mind the use that some of this kit is subjected to - surveillance work isn't all sitting in bedrooms staring out across housing estates - sometimes you'll be buried in a hide at the end of a field for three weeks at a time.

I kept 5 complete FM2n kits with lenses ranging from 24mm to 300mm (all primes) and destroyed the rest, bar a few kits of lesser quality which I took to Hereford Tech College (sorry, they're all Uni's now aren't they?).
 
I don't know what I would pay for a 2nd hand 1D MKII but I do know I paid £2K for a new one from my local stockist but as has been mentioned it may be difficult to locate a new one at that price now.........it maybe worth pointing it out to him though.
 
Agreed - I've not used a Canon since my old A-1. That was dropped off a boat in the Bahamas. Since I was drunk, I decided to dive for it. Took me four attempts, but eventually retrieved it from 15 feet of seawater.
Shoved it under the tap and left it in the sun to dry out for the rest of the day.
I sold it two years later, still fully functional. Good Camera.
I then bought an F3 and haven't looked back since.

I think I'm now so used to the niggles of the Nikons that I would be at a loss going to another Marque - my work is so instinctive that any time wasted on thinking about camera controls is a shot missed. I just cannot risk it.
To be honest, unless I were a sports photographer, there's no advantage to the RAW+JPEG facility on either camera for me - if my images were being wi-fi'd to a picture desk with a competent editor, no problem, but the Army has no dedicated Picture Editor for all photographers apart from Terry Champion at HQ Land Command.
We are still expected to do all our post-production ourselves. Sports and some News Phots can wi-fi the untouched image to the editor with a basic file-info caption (pre-written and added by auto batch process as you shoot) via a PDA, safe in the knowledge that the guy at the other end has the skill to sort it out and get it out on the wires asap.
I don't have that luxury - in that sense I'm very like a freelance who has to get his image all the way to the end-user by himself. With the difference that I don't get paid by the end-user, so I haven't the additional aggro of worrying about getting paid after the job's done.
For me there's a sense of security in knowing that the finished image is all my own doing and that I'm not at the mercy of half-trained editors who don't understand my intentions when taking an image.
 
The A1 was never marketed as a pro camera, Canon had the F1 for the pro market which was built like a tank, but lots of pros bought an A1 for it's innovation at that time and used them alongside their Nikons. It says a lot about the A1 that it stood up to the inevitable battering and abuse which a pro will give it.

Coming back to choice of cameras by particular organisations, the police have a dirty tricks dept where you can go and get anything from an SLR to a light intensifier, to things I shouldn't talk about. All the camera were Nikons - top end fully manual jobs, and I used to groan seeing them being handed to apes with knuckles dragging on the floor who didn't know an ASA dial from an aperture dial.

The guy in charge of ordering kit for one of the biggest forces in the country was a civvy. I asked him why he didn't at least hand these guys an aperture priority camera so that we might get some better results back than we mostly did. He had no idea what I was talking about, and in fact knew beggar all about photography at all.

Big isn't beautiful when it comes to organisation and common sense and I just wonder if the army's choice of cameras is any more considered than this particular guy's was. :suspect1:
 
We tried Canons a while back when we were considering the move from FM2s.
We trialled the Canon F1, Nikon F4 and Nikon F90. All the trials were conducted by Army and RAF photographers.

As the Army was more concerned with surveiillance in Northern Ireland at that time, we bought the F90 (superceded by the F90x), for the simple reason that it was lighter and cheaper and most of the camera operators were, as you say, knuckle-draggers. We kept the Hasselblad for PR work.
The RAF dragged its heels and eventually bought the Nikon F5 as they were more concerned with PR photography and used it in conjunction with the Hasselblad.
The Royal Navy kept its Hasselblads for all work.

As we complete the move towards pure PR and News-gathering, the kit has evolved to take account of this.
We were going to buy D2h bodies as well, but after a meeting last month, I have convinced the Powers-that-Be that the half-sensor mode on the D2x will do the same job. We will also use D200 as the D100 is phased out for Surveillance work.
We now no longer have a two-tier PR-equipment scale for the first time in 20 years.
Since the time of the F90, the suport from Nikon has been exemplary. I have regular meetings with the big bosses at Nikon (along with other Army, Navy and RAF Photographers) and they take a great deal of notice of what we say and ask for. The VR lenses now coming in are as a result of stuff we (and others) were asking for five years ago.
I'm not saying that Canon wouldn't do the same, but once a relationship is established, it takes a long time to build another with someone else.
 
Well it's great that at least someone listens to input from knowledgable end users. We used to get new computer systems installed that were obsolete within months or totally unsuitable to the job. Thousands of machines costing millions. These systems were the choice of internal IT guys who had the whole market to choose from. In the private sector they'd have been on their way to the Job Centre, but everyone moaned about it and just waited for the next cock up. Bureaucracy gone mad!
 
I had an F90- loved it -less than half the price of my F4. I bought the F90 as back up for the F4 but it ended up mostly the other way round for the faster auto focus.
 
That's why we bought them too. Boomin' slow by today's standards though!
 
Arkady said:
That's why we bought them too. Boomin' slow by today's standards though!
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....a Donkey aint as fast as a horse, but it still beats walking my friend.....

MyPix
 
Get yer plastic out then Ian! :D
 
Matt's right of course. I still have a gap in my lens range which is gonna cost me. ;)
 
IanC_UK said:
Theres a 1dMk2 on POTN for £1600 for a quick sale, he had it up for 1700 !
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Yes its at Wakefield not too far from me..:)

Assuming its a minty camera without tens of thousands of actuations on it that camera has to be a real bargain..:thumb:
 
IanC_UK said:
i wondered if you were the same busterboy ;)
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CT said:
Garnock, Dazzajl and Busterboy are all members here who use that camera so they may see this and offer their thoughts on it.
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Well I' ve seen it but I'm not sure I can give any usefull info at all. I have no idea where prices have gone since I got mine 18 months or so back. I try not to see what's going on in the market untill I need to buy something as the value of any digi kit has a nasty habit of disapearing up it's own backside within minutes of making a purchase with models being replaced/upgraded so often.

As for how it fares against it's Nikon cousins, no idea there either as I've never handled one.

What I can say though is I've never been let down by mine and have often needed to use it in conditions that most people wouldn't take it out the bag. It does everything you could ask of a high end body with the exception of producing the quality and size of file that the 1dS II would.
 
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