VEHICLES SOLD IN EU & UK FROM 2022 TO BE FITTED WITH AUTOMATIC SPEED LIMITERS

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Despite Brexit, UK is to adopt the same EU mandated ‘ISA’ speed limiters in new vehicles sold in 2022 onwards.

In news that has seemingly flown under the radar (considering it’s right around the corner), the UK is set to adopt the EU-mandated ruling that all new vehicles sold from 2022 onwards will be fitted with ‘ISA’ (Intelligent Speed Assistance) automatic speed limiters.

Simply put, through the use of cameras, GPS and computers, onboard systems will be able to impose limits & restrictions on the power of vehicles as they approach the speed limit, slowing your progress as you reach the designated limit for the road you're on.

As of May 2022 when this mandate is set to be introduced, all new cars, vans, lorries & buses (and similar vehicles) will be fitted with automatic speed limiters alongside other new safety devices. Retrofitting this new tech into older vehicles is not required.

It works by limiting engine power automatically & electronically once a vehicle reaches the designated speed limit for a road, with monitoring systems coming in if the driver does not slow down by their own accord. Accelerating past this limit will be still possible with a firm push on the accelerator pedal - overriding the limiter and restoring full power - and driving over the speed limit can be achieved if the conditions require it, but after a short period audible & visual warnings will sound. Any warnings will cease once the vehicle returns to (or below) the speed limit.






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Let's hope they sort out the map data errors & signage first then. Both of our cars (different brands) have in-dash satnav and road sign speed limit recognition display. There's a stretch of road near me where it is supposed to be a 20MPH limit past two schools, there's a mini roundabout part way along and this causes confusion in both of our cars when the limit suddenly goes from 20MPH to 60MPH. This happens in both directions at exactly the same spot.

Also according to the mapping data in our cars a nearby motorway entry slip road has a 30 MPH limit on it, making the Highway Code advice about accelerating to match the speed of traffic on the motorway difficult.......
 
Time to build the Ultima with the supercharged LT5 engine making 1200bhp then. Self builds won't be covered by this, it will be volume manufacturers only.

Still the WRC in car coverage will be fun in a couple of years as those are all production based, so they'll be getting bleeped at for going too fast on the stages :naughty:
 
As with Broc, the recognition system in my car shows 20 in a few higher speed limits local to me.
Hasn’t thought to check against the speed display on the sat nav though to see if it’s getting the info from gps or sign recognition but I will now!
 
There's a road near me which has a 40 limit but people treat as a 60 where a local residents has made a "speed camera" out of cardboard and some yellow paint. It's surprisingly effective (and way better than his last effort of hanging out a child's football kit).

I can see him switching tactics.
 
I was stopped by police for doing 55 in a 40 limit, I had foolishly trusted my satnav, which told me it was a 60 limit. The police officer was perfectly OK and just asked me to drive more slowly in the future, most of them, in my experience, are reasonable.

Let's face it, satnavs, although tremendously useful, are often wrong when it comes to speed limits. One day, long after my own death, we'll finally get the new system that's been promised for years, and it may eventually even work.

Meanwhile, drivers are regarded as a cash cow and technology will be increasingly used to limit speeds, watch everything that we do and will automatically issue speeding tickets . . .
 
Most plod are reasonable and will use their discretion. Cameras have no discretion (other than any allowance built into their settings - some forces set theirs to 10% + 2 over the posted limit, others don't...)

Won't be long before all vehicles will be fitted with trackers and speeding tickets will be issued automatically for any transgression (as suggested by Garry).

Lots of limit signs down here are obscured by foliage. (Helpful tip - if you get nicked and didn't see the sign, go back and see if it's obscured. If it is, take photos and you might get lucky...)
 
My VW defaults to 20mph speed limit when first moving off until it sees a road sign with the actual limit.
So where I live is 30mph, it shows 20 until I go around a couple of corners where there is a 30mph sign.

Lots of villages and some towns now adopting "20's plenty" , which can be appropriate in some parts but not all.
 
Garry Edwards said:
I was stopped by police for doing 55 in a 40 limit, I had foolishly trusted my satnav, which told me it was a 60 limit. The police officer was perfectly OK and just asked me to drive more slowly in the future, most of them, in my experience, are reasonable.

Let's face it, satnavs, although tremendously useful, are often wrong when it comes to speed limits. One day, long after my own death, we'll finally get the new system that's been promised for years, and it may eventually even work.

Meanwhile, drivers are regarded as a cash cow and technology will be increasingly used to limit speeds, watch everything that we do and will automatically issue speeding tickets . . .
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I know that speedos tend to be calibrated a couple of mph less than the speedo states but been wondering about sat nav as well.
I use to use co pilot on my phone but switched to using google maps a couple of years ago.
I tend to to find it's very accurate with change in speed limits but for example when my car speedo says I'm doing 70mph, google maps says 66mph.
 
If it means people will be forced to drive slower when speed restrictions are in place I'm all for it.
The M25 is the bane of my life when this happens as a couple of miles up the road the traffic comes to a stand still just because people can't be bothered to adhere to it.
Keeping the traffic flowing at a sensible speed makes sense to me yet not to a lot of people.
 
Speedo's generally read high - inaccuracy, tyre wear, "safety margin", or maybe because optimistic figures make the fuel consumption figures look good. But satnav technology means the displayed figure is always dead right, although there are of course time lags.
 
Speedos aren't allowed to read low.

Sat nav figures are pretty accurate on the flat but less so on steep gradients.
 
Hopefully the system will work better than a Seat I test drove recently, it hits the brakes on a dual carriageway as I was passing a car -at the legal limit- the blind spot warning system seems to default to lhd when it feels like it, glitch in the system, unfortunately no resolution from Seat as yet, I’ll pass on this car.
If only the speed limiter could be adapted to deal with those that middle lane hog under the limit.
I’ll be keeping the fun car until it expires so since this won’t be retro fitted should bother me for some years.
 
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mj4456 said:
If only the speed limiter could be adapted to deal with those that middle lane hog under the limit.
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The daft idea on the dashboard telling you when to change gear is probably favoured by those.
 
Having had a couple of cars with traffic sign recognition and blind spot and AEB I've gone back to a car with none of them and just good old decent visibility out of it. AEB isn't bad and generally that did work correctly. Blind spot has been hit and miss. Working well on one car and crappily on another. LKA is turned off immediately as that was just dangerous as most of my local roads don't have decent white lines and some are single track so it's mental. I don't think it does anything for road safety to have to deal with a car that can randomly do something deranged at any moment. It's enough to be dealing with other drivers and their potential for accidents. Having your own car decide to start one isn't what you need.

Speed sign recognition has been the worst of all. Without the maps one car I tried was probably correct 20% of the time. It missed so many of the signs it was useless. With map back up they seem better. Most of them pick random numbers from side turnings or other random numbers. They can't be relied upon at all.
 
Could get interesting when UK reg cars visit the continent (and vice versa)... 70km/h is about 45mph IIRC.
 
If your speedos are low you will get arrested for indecent exposure! (get the photographic thing I did there?)
 
Nod said:
Lots of limit signs down here are obscured by foliage. (Helpful tip - if you get nicked and didn't see the sign, go back and see if it's obscured. If it is, take photos and you might get lucky...)
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I actually got stopped today for doing 61 in a 50. Funny thing is, it's a country lane and there are no repeater signs, which I mentioned. The copper actually told me that if he had nicked me for speeding, it wouldn't have held up in court because of that very reason. They can only enforce the rules, but the county council are responsible for setting the limits, and displaying them apparently. He was a decent bloke. As mentioned, you can't have a discussion with a speed camera.

I have always found if you treat coppers with a bit of respect, they tend to be much easier to deal with, at the end of the day, they're just doing their job.
 
Jelster said:
I actually got stopped today for doing 61 in a 50. Funny thing is, it's a country lane and there are no repeater signs, which I mentioned. The copper actually told me that if he had nicked me for speeding, it wouldn't have held up in court because of that very reason. They can only enforce the rules, but the county council are responsible for setting the limits, and displaying them apparently. He was a decent bloke. As mentioned, you can't have a discussion with a speed camera.

I have always found if you treat coppers with a bit of respect, they tend to be much easier to deal with, at the end of the day, they're just doing their job.
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An interesting point about the signage and reasonable approach/attitudes.

Some many years back I was in South Wales on business. On a 50mph stretch of road there was a bend approaching a town, within yards of the bend opening out there was the start of the 30limit into town and a traffic officer and his colleagues doing speed stops...... I was next!

Chatting with officer he agreed the signage was poorly placed and they would be letting the council know.

However, he was obligated to give me an official warning in the form of (as I recall) a pink warning slip that does not get recorded centrally.

He also said they were running regular exercises for the next few days ;)
 
These new 20 mph speed limits are appearing everywhere in London. I don’t see many people actually driving at 20mph which is very difficult to do in practice. I could understand if it was near a school or an area which requires it but it just seems to be everywhere. I once saw the traffic police enforce it on a stretch which used to be 40mph and is now 20mph. They must have had a field day of meeting their targets.
 
Mintchocs said:
These new 20 mph speed limits are appearing everywhere in London. I don’t see many people actually driving at 20mph which is very difficult to do in practice. I could understand if it was near a school or an area which requires it but it just seems to be everywhere. I once saw the traffic police enforce it on a stretch which used to be 40mph and is now 20mph. They must have had a field day of meeting their targets.
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It is not just about speeding, it’s also about reducing emissions.
 
In a 20 limit, I'm in a gear 2 down from what I'd be in in a 30 and at about the same revs so the vehicle is probably actually dropping more emissions in that stretch at the lower speed. (Although I tend to be in the Leaf if I'm going through the 20 limits.)
 
Ricardodaforce said:
It is not just about speeding, it’s also about reducing emissions.
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It also has the effect of reducing traffic speeds by a few miles an hour. Plus if there is someone driving at 20 in front of you, it is quite hard to drive faster. 20mph is a message - this area has mixed use, so slow down.

For many decades we have let a section of humanity take precedence over the rest in built-up areas. Time for a bit of balance. People say that it is hard to stick to 20. Part of the skill of driving a car is being able to control its speed properly. They, presumably, are the same people that don't stick to the 30 limit, or any of the others.
 
Nod said:
In a 20 limit, I'm in a gear 2 down from what I'd be in in a 30 and at about the same revs so the vehicle is probably actually dropping more emissions in that stretch at the lower speed. (Although I tend to be in the Leaf if I'm going through the 20 limits.)
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If you are worried about emissions, then the Leaf, or not driving, is the answer.

Or campaign to the motor manufacturers to make better suited gear boxes.
 
Pound Coin said:
For many decades we have let a section of humanity take precedence over the rest in built-up areas. Time for a bit of balance. People say that it is hard to stick to 20. Part of the skill of driving a car is being able to control its speed properly. They, presumably, are the same people that don't stick to the 30 limit, or any of the others.
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Driving at 20mph for more than a couple of hundred yards is so tedious but easy when you have an auto. I would avoid the area if possible, unless, as mentioned, it was outside a school, play area, hospital etc. If it's to do with emissions, just put tighter controls on what can come into the area.
 
My car already has the system fitted, and I like it. Driving locally where I'm well aware of all the limits I leave it turned off, but when driving in unknown towns I find it very useful, also on roads like the east lancs dual carriageway with it constantly changing limits.
 
Jelster said:
Driving at 20mph for more than a couple of hundred yards is so tedious but easy when you have an auto. I would avoid the area if possible, unless, as mentioned, it was outside a school, play area, hospital etc. If it's to do with emissions, just put tighter controls on what can come into the area.
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Don't come to Lancashire then, as 20mph limits are unavoidable, virtually every side road is 20mph.
 
I have mixed feelings on this but as I stick to speed limits I doubt I'll be too affected when driving. It will maybe make life a bit better if it stops the twonks who zoom up and down our 20mph limit road at 50+ but they'll be driving like that until the supply of non limited vehicles dries up.
 
Jelster said:
Driving at 20mph for more than a couple of hundred yards is so tedious but easy when you have an auto. I would avoid the area if possible, unless, as mentioned, it was outside a school, play area, hospital etc. If it's to do with emissions, just put tighter controls on what can come into the area.
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Also simply enough in a manual with cruise control or max limit.......but either will need a lower gear!
 
Jelster said:
Driving at 20mph for more than a couple of hundred yards is so tedious but easy when you have an auto. I would avoid the area if possible, unless, as mentioned, it was outside a school, play area, hospital etc. If it's to do with emissions, just put tighter controls on what can come into the area.
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Controlling which type of vehicles can drive in certain areas would only work for people who
1. Can avoid driving altogether
2. Can use an electric car

But, there's a very different world, outside of cities and for people who can't use electric cars for one reason or another. Just as an example, when I'm at the farm I can't use public transport because, even when I don't need to transport anything, the 4.5 mile walk to the nearest bus stop is just too far.

Now, I'm one of the worst offenders (although I pay for it in VED, fuel tax and VAT) because I use a heavy 4WD diesel car that averages 23.5 to the gallon. Even when I'm not at the farm, I drive each week to clay shooting clubs, no buses go to them and even if they existed, I'm not sure that it would be a great idea to transport shotguns on buses . . .

And electric cars aren't an option for me because they don't even exist, in the type of vehicle that I need - 4WD, lots of ground clearance, able to tow heavy trailers. And, even if they did exist, the infrastructure isn't there to charge them - vehicles towing large trailers wouldn't get far between charges so would need charging en route, and the chargers are set up for little cars that don't have trailers attached.

So, preaching against the evils of polluting vehicles is ill-informed when there are no practical alternatives. And, if governments really do want to do something significant to reduce pollution then their first target needs to be ships, which currently burn the cheapest and dirtiest fuel, and which make a massive contribution to pollution.
 
woof woof said:
I have mixed feelings on this but as I stick to speed limits I doubt I'll be too affected when driving.
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I bought my current car about six years ago. I discovered, some weeks after getting it, that the car has a speed limiter as well as cruise control. I've been using the limiter ever since and it makes 20 MPH limits easy to observe.
 
Box Brownie said:
Also simply enough in a manual with cruise control or max limit.......but either will need a lower gear!
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There is no way I'd use cruise control in a city, that's just asking for trouble in my book.

And Garry, I totally agree with your stance on electric vehicles in the country. The closest place I know of with a charge point is Tesco's in Shaftesbury. Now that's only 12 miles, but they only have 4 bays, and normally one of those has a non electric car in it. Infrastructure is everything when it comes to electric vehicles. After years of commuting into London I hate public transport, and I'm a mile away from the nearest bus stop too!!
 
Jelster said:
There is no way I'd use cruise control in a city, that's just asking for trouble in my book.

And Garry, I totally agree with your stance on electric vehicles in the country. The closest place I know of with a charge point is Tesco's in Shaftesbury. Now that's only 12 miles, but they only have 4 bays, and normally one of those has a non electric car in it. Infrastructure is everything when it comes to electric vehicles. After years of commuting into London I hate public transport, and I'm a mile away from the nearest bus stop too!!
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Valid point......and frankly I have not used Cruise Control in town. But I have used the Speed Limit function and that can be effective.
 
Garry Edwards said:
So, preaching against the evils of polluting vehicles is ill-informed when there are no practical alternatives. And, if governments really do want to do something significant to reduce pollution then their first target needs to be ships, which currently burn the cheapest and dirtiest fuel, and which make a massive contribution to pollution.
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There are always examples and 'what-about-me's, but that does not mean that there shouldn't be both preaching and action against polluting transport.
 
Pound Coin said:
There are always examples and 'what-about-me's, but that does not mean that there shouldn't be both preaching and action against polluting transport.
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Agreed, but the preaching and action should prioritise the major polluters, not a small minority in a small country.
 
We are bigger polluters per capita than the Chinese. Partly because we offshore pollution to them and then claim we are good.

Everyone needs to reduce, and not to point to others to do it.
 
Pound Coin said:
We are bigger polluters per capita than the Chinese. Partly because we offshore pollution to them and then claim we are good.

Everyone needs to reduce, and not to point to others to do it.
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Well, as you must surely know, this type of statement may impress the gullible but can be very misleading because
1. There are more than 21 people in China to every one person in the UK
2. As everyone who has actually spent time in China knows, the country is still developing rapidly and only a small percentage of the people have cars at present, in a few years time they will probably have as many as us per capita, which means that the numbers will increase dramatically. Currently, there are 473 vehicles per 1000 people in the UK compared to 207 per 1000 in China.

So, please feel free to tell Chairman Xi to reduce pollution, not me.

And, returning to ships, most shipping is just as necessary as motor vehicles, but, just as an example, cruise ships aren't needed at all, and yet they produce very high levels of pollution, so please feel free to tell them to clean up their act - they actually can reduce their pollution. See https://www.transportenvironment.or...e-air-pollution-sox-all-europe’s-cars-–-study
 
Assuming the UK follows the same rules as the EU implementation then ISA can be switched off - it’s on by default when you switch on the ignition but then you can switch it off for the remainder of the journey.
“By law, every type of system must be overridable, and allow the driver to switch the system off for the duration of the current journey.”
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Intelligent Speed Assistance set for launch on all new EU vehicle types from 2022

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Garry Edwards said:
Well, as you must surely know, this type of statement may impress the gullible but can be very misleading because
1. There are more than 21 people in China to every one person in the UK
2. As everyone who has actually spent time in China knows, the country is still developing rapidly and only a small percentage of the people have cars at present, in a few years time they will probably have as many as us per capita, which means that the numbers will increase dramatically. Currently, there are 473 vehicles per 1000 people in the UK compared to 207 per 1000 in China.

So, please feel free to tell Chairman Xi to reduce pollution, not me.

And, returning to ships, most shipping is just as necessary as motor vehicles, but, just as an example, cruise ships aren't needed at all, and yet they produce very high levels of pollution, so please feel free to tell them to clean up their act - they actually can reduce their pollution. See https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/luxury-cruise-giant-emits-10-times-more-air-pollution-sox-all-europe’s-cars-–-study
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Yeah, yeah, take all the benefits of modern living and point the finger at someone else. (y)
 
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