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Same old same old ... people wanting to use my images for nothing! Just after a bit of advice ...

Have created a book as part of coursework and the charity featured in the book really like it and have ordered a lot of copies. They had no input in the project - I financed everything myself. So it was good to make a profit and seemed it was good opportunity to get my name out there.

Now they are keen to use the images on their website and to create a digital brochure of the book.

Of course and for some reason they looking to do this by not paying me but have instead quoted all work will be credited. We're a charity blah blah blah. Well I'm not!

After any thoughts ... would getting the work profiled - even without payment - on another website - really help me?? Credit crunch etc.

Suppose the point is they have dangled that carrot of getting high level exposure... but does that actually mean anything. Some camps would say yes while others no ... as it's just selling the work short ... I know I should stick to the rules re payment. Aware me and the work being cheapened.

I've arranged a meeting next week. Know I'm going to have to be firm on this.

Any thoughts on this much appreciated... suppose the question is does 'high level exposure' actually bring about work and opportunities?

Cheers
 
Why should any sort of business get your work for free? If a charity isn't run as a business it will fail. From their point of view they have to ask just in case you let them play fast and loose with your images.

"High level exposure" is jam tomorrow; in the current climate you need "Bread today" :)

Tactics for the meeting - don't start with a flat refusal; have in mind a special charity rate (50% higher than usual) and let them negotiate it down to something reasonable. Know your best price and do not compromise.

Just my 2p.

B.
 
No...charge them...even charities have access to funds...tax-free funds at that...
 
A charity should have budgets for this, just as they do for staff etc...

Having said this I've allowed a charity (Trinity House) to use one of my photographs in their calendar which is sold to the public after entering a competition with this stated in the T&Cs - I was happy enough with this as I support the "cause" - fortunately I won "best entry" so received some remuneration but this wasn't guaranteed.

It's really a decision only you can take, I'm not one for trying to make peoples decisions for them

Simon
 
Thanks ... really appreciate this.

Lost my way a little over this one because it's a charity. Will take on board all you saying when I meet them next week. If they won't pay will just walk ... as you say Ben need the bread now!

Cheers again
 
On the other hand, if you are just starting out and this is your first major "published" work..., you could look at the cost (i.e. lost revenue) as marketting investment.

Is there any opportunity to sell the works elsewhere I wonder? If not then I'd be more inclined to grant usage rights for a peppercorn, but retain the rights (i.e. charge for future use).
 
Whilst I appreciate everyone needs to make a living to survive in this world as someone who has worked for a couple of charities I would just like to expel a few myths.

I have often see posted in threads like this that charities have loads of money etc. so charge them.

Whilst the above may be true for the larger well known charities, some of whom have funds just for this sort of thing, it is certainly not true for a large number of charities.

Lots of charities operate on a shoestring budget and some of them even have a deficit every year.

I am not saying that people should work for charities free of charge just because they are a charity but to think on with regards to whether the charity can actually afford to pay and if they cant whether you would be prepared to do the work free of charge but take some sort of other payment in kind for your work such as free advertising etc.

Incidentally you can check out a charities status, including there budget, on the charities commission website
 
Having worked for charities (medium sized with substantial funding from the Lottery) for the past three years, I'm very glad I can turn my back to that sector. In my experience, most charities are run by people without the required business skills and managerial experience and don't have a realistic budget.

This is shown here as the budget is simply not realistic, otherwise it would have a marketing/publicity budget where this could be taken out of.
 
maybe try considering the charity and charge accordingly as unicef probably has a different marketing budget to the local cat sanctuary
 
Charities may or may not have 'loads of money' - that is not the point. They won't be getting their printing for nothing - or the web design/hosting - and the staff will be paid - so the photographs MUST be paid for too. Getting a credit is your right and not a special deal - also whatever you do the copyright in the pictures remains yours - that's your right too.
 
While the chap in the charity shop might be working for nothing you can bet some of the people in HQ will be getting a decent wage, and more that lightly their mobile phone and car paid for, yes their are a few very small charities who don't make much money, but pretty much all the bigger well known ones make a mint each year.
If your pics are good enough to want, thet are good enough to pay for!
 
money makes the world go round..nothing cost nothing
there has to be boundaries and in some cases barriers to give fairness to all

i work for 2 charities..not photography...and the accounts are very important...they must show profit so we can fund further work and increase our effectiveness

be realistic
 
mrcrow said:
money makes the world go round..nothing cost nothing
there has to be boundaries and in some cases barriers to give fairness to all

i work for 2 charities..not photography...and the accounts are very important...they must show profit so we can fund further work and increase our effectiveness

be realistic
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:thinking: Are you saying that charities are profiteering on the 'back' of some cause and that the money should be in the bank? I thought that the idea behind charities was to use the money to help with....something!
 
I think he meant that they can't operate at a loss...the 'profit' is the money that is used to fund future work and projects...
 
awp said:
Charities may or may not have 'loads of money' - that is not the point. They won't be getting their printing for nothing - or the web design/hosting - and the staff will be paid - so the photographs MUST be paid for too. Getting a credit is your right and not a special deal - also whatever you do the copyright in the pictures remains yours - that's your right too.
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awp said:
Charities may or may not have 'loads of money' - that is not the point. They won't be getting their printing for nothing - or the web design/hosting - and the staff will be paid - so the photographs MUST be paid for too. Getting a credit is your right and not a special deal - also whatever you do the copyright in the pictures remains yours - that's your right too.
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Have to agree ... think it will purely be down to if they want to pay for the work or not. Will see next week.


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