Two Getty and two Action togs at Championship match

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I mate photographer was at the Leicester City vs Bolton game yesterday.

He says that there were two Getty and two Action Images togs there.

I heard that Getty tends to have two at Premiership games but this is the first I have heard of it at Championship games.

I wonder if this will become the norm.

Any thoughts?
 
I would think in 'bigger' Championship games there will be two photographers from big agencies - but doubt it'll be happening in the less interesting games.
But.. then again, I pretty much stopped covering Men's football at the end of last season...
 
I agree at the moment it's only the big games, but it 'could' be that in a few years...
 
bigrob said:
I agree at the moment it's only the big games, but it 'could' be that in a few years...
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Getty wouldn't drop to that level Rob, there isnt the money in it for them due to "club togs" and "freelancers" virtually giving it away
 
Apart from club photographers how do 'freelancers' give the pics away at Championship level?
 
Gary Coyle said:
Getty wouldn't drop to that level Rob, there isnt the money in it for them due to "club togs" and "freelancers" virtually giving it away
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That will likely be the case - one thing that might push Getty/AP/Action to cover more Championship games would be the level of foreign players playing in that level... as these agencies also have deals with many National agencies whom they provide images to.
So if these agencies see enough foreign players in Championship games - they will cover them with one eye on capturing the foreign players for these agencies whom they have agreements with ...

And aren't there quite a few club togs who also provide images for these mentioned agencies? As for freelancers giving images for free... most 'standard rates' for national newspapers are 'virtually nothing' :-)
 
jonston paint trophy is considered to be the micky mouse cup of pro football.. even the fans dont pay much attention wiht the lowest crowds.... yet getty (or is it actionj?) cover every match...
 
GooGaBu said:
And aren't there quite a few club togs who also provide images for these mentioned agencies? As for freelancers giving images for free... most 'standard rates' for national newspapers are 'virtually nothing' :)
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Ok I see the point about foreign players.

So you're sayin freelancers going 'on spec' stops Getty & Action from sending two photographers.
 
I can only imagine that theres a few spare snappers from the agencys in that particular area, or they've picked up a commission from somewhere and it needs covering both ends.
Either way, theres a hell of alot more top agencys at lower league matches now, which is a pain!
 
I did hear that they had a certain amount of hours or matches to do in a month.
 
I counted 7 Getty snappers/contributers (3.4 from clubs) at Newcastle vs Arsenal yesterday aswell as Action Images, AFP, PA x2 to name a few

See Action Images at a few Championship level games and Getty on the odd occasion. not every game though

Premiership is much harder to "crack" this season but there is space out there in the Championship for freelancers
 
whitey said:
I counted 7 Getty snappers/contributers (3.4 from clubs) at Newcastle vs Arsenal yesterday aswell as Action Images, AFP, PA x2 to name a few

See Action Images at a few Championship level games and Getty on the odd occasion. not every game though

Premiership is much harder to "crack" this season but there is space out there in the Championship for freelancers
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any decent game is sewn up.. they all get commisions wiht papers.. doesnt leave much room for freelancers... i give it a go now and then but only stuff within ten minutes of my house and absolouty nothing else to do.. .... best to stay lower... I can make more money from a junior match watched by 20 poeple than most freelancers make at a premiership game.. football is football.. doesnt have to be glamour to make money.. thats how I survive :)
 
Very true Tony

Thats why I am at Boro most of the time now, much mor success there at present (Averaging just under 3 publications at game) compared to lower figures elsewhere
 
bigrob said:
Ok I see the point about foreign players.

So you're sayin freelancers going 'on spec' stops Getty & Action from sending two photographers.
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What I was saying was that the pay that papers pay for images 'on the spec' per image aren't really that great - so basically commenting on the pay that you get when you get an image published.
And as Kipax points out - if you want to get paid for certain.. better to stick down the lower leagues. If big agencies send a half decent image from a game .. it'll get chosen over a better quality image from a freelancer (not every time, but often.. as it's about the budgets..)
So.. a lower league (or smaller sport) game covered with a good pay from it... or on the spec at Prem.. with possibility of some pay... I know where I am going ;-)
 
Last month I did a girls county u14 game... same night quite a few premiership games on... I took about 240 quid from the girls game... I wonder how many "on spec" photogrpahers living the dream at old trafford or anfield would be getting paid as much?
 
If I've got a free Saturday, I'll do a spec job. But I will pick it very carefully;

Who's else is playing locally
Form of the teams
What the result could mean
Distance from me
Overall time
Recent news - new managers etc
Will I be hungover?
 
Breaking the "bigger" games is possible

I had success last season at Newcastle vs Sunderland (see two blogs), the Ben Arfa one was used in several articles but I wot link to them

http://www.imagesbysw.com/blog-newcastle-united-vs-sunderland/
http://www.imagesbysw.com/more-derby-day-images/

Aswell as a good day when Liverpool roll into Town

12-13 - http://www.imagesbysw.com/newcastle-united-vs-liverpool/

13-14 - http://www.imagesbysw.com/newcastle-vs-liverpool/

It is more difficult as people say but it is possible. Had plenty of full pages from championship to and below and for me, its the place to go with PL games being around those
 
whitey said:
Breaking the "bigger" games is possible
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of course it is.. we have all done it.. if it wasnt possible we would give up... the point is..its not going to happen every game.. getyy/action/pa get published every game they go to.. but you go to prem games on spec and you wont get published every game.. 100 quid every half a dozen games is usless.. you need that every game...
 
I take you point 100%. last season Newcastle was by far my best earner. cant remember the figures but covering 10 NUFC games last season I had around 15-16 publications from memory. Sunderland on the other hand covering maybe 8 games had 5 I think it was

Where as Boro of late, 8/9 games and approx 25 publishes

Doesnt happen every week as you say, just enjoy it when it does
 
whitey said:
I take you point 100%. last season Newcastle was by far my best earner. cant remember the figures but covering 10 NUFC games last season I had around 15-16 publications from memory.
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10 games 15-16 published.. totally on spec? not for agency who may have had a commision.. not for league paper.. purely on spec?
 
KIPAX said:
10 games 15-16 published.. totally on spec? not for agency who may have had a commision.. not for league paper.. purely on spec?
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Kipax - maybe our images just aren't good enough... I never got that rate of published images 'on the spec'.
Very impressed with Steven's 9 games and 25 images published on the spec... well done!!

I know there are regional variations with this as well - areas like London/Manchester are full of agency/freelancers.. but you go to bit more away from these centres.. and all of a sudden you'll find yourself with only one or two photographers.

But in a country where only one sport really gets published in (National) papers.. we're all fighting for a very small piece of a very small pie.
 
I dont think steven is talking about on spec.. I am well impressed if he is.. maybe we have different definitions of on spec?

on spec.... no commision.. no advance sales.. no advance interest in pics.. just turn up.. send pics out and hope for a sale... if you get 25 pics sold in 9 game from middlesborough games? ..in those circumstances?..thats impressive.. also an average 1.5 sales per game to nationals or regionals (who will have sent someone anyway so?) is even more impressive from newcastle
 
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I think Steven only works for Gavin out of TGSPhoto agency when doing premiership so not on spec as such as he will be using TGS licence.
 
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I see on spec as per Tony

KIPAX said:
on spec.... no commision.. no advance sales.. no advance interest in pics.. just turn up.. send pics out and hope for a sale...
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I am on spec all the time and my hit rate is no where near as good as Stevens.

So far this season I have covered

2 x Prem games (both Crystal Palace - as they are near to me) and I did not sacrifice a Championship game to be there - 0 usage
1 x Amlin Cup rugby union game - 0 usage
20 x Championship games (Charlton or Millwall as they are near to me) - 12 usages (24 different pics)
1 x League One (1 usage, 1 pic)
1 x Ladies football (England ladies vs Wales ladies) - 0 usage

So that is a hit rate of 50% (13 different usages (25 different pics) over 26 matches. I know that wouldn't be a high enough percentage for most though.

I have had some good luck along the way with Mr Getty and Action not being there. Ironically the best day I had Mr Getty sat 8 feet to my left in the second half. Derby guy scored, ran towards Mr Getty, then turned 90 degrees and ran down my lens :banana:

Other luck I have had is early or late kick-offs. e.g. The QPR game vs Leicester kicked off at 12:15. It was peeing down. There were 17 togs with 10 at the end I was. All to one side of the goal. 1 out of the 10 (moi) took his laptop out and wired live. I got 3 pics in the Mail's Live Update (2 squirrel and 1 action) and they used 2 of the squirrel pics in a separate article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...layed-squirrel-invades-Loftus-Road-pitch.html

I think that The Mail only pay once even though it was 3 pics used, two of them twice.

But then I also have bad luck.

Last Sunday I had a much better on angle on the Sheffield Wednesday goal at Charlton and some nice cele shots. The bit of interest in the papers used the Action images shot and The Mail on-line used all Getty apart from one PA.

A few weeks ago I was the only one at my end with a clean shot of the Barnsley players heading it in to his own goal, but apart from commissions there was no pics in the papers. etc etc

I am 10 minutes drive away from Charlton and 30-40 mins from Millwall. I would like to go to West Ham, Arsenal, Chelsea, Fulham and Spurs - but it would only be once to say I have been.
 
Gary Coyle said:
I think Steven only works for Gavin out of TGSPhoto agency so not on spec.
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I know someone who works for TGS and it's mostly on spec and I would think Steven would be the same unless he gets commissions.
 
I ahve Blackburn and Burnley within ten minutes.. Bolton, Preston and Wigan within half an hr and anyhting around manchester in about the same.. maybe 40 mins.. I have poor luck at burnley.. have reasonable luck at blackburn..they are the two easy down the rd no brainers... I do preston as I am preston born bred and love going :) But generally I wont do any of those unless its midweek and nothing else to do.. booked up every weekend all year...
 
bigrob said:
I know someone who works for TGS and it's mostly on spec and I would think Steven would be the same unless he gets commissions.
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TGS Are very good at getting published.. no reason to doubt the figures.. but would be seriously impressed if all 100% spec and no commisions.. league paper or local southern papers to tgs ..
 
In reply to the original question not sure about Getty but and I stand corrected AI do stuff for Bolton so that could be the reason
Not going to get involved with who gets published etc
Happy new year to all who know and those who dont
 
All on spec yes

FL Paper, Non League paper and the like already have deals in place so its hard to break those.

Boro I use as a best example. take Pools, 4 games 1 or 2 published. Sunderland is hopeless and none in 4

Only ever submit to TGS and nowhere else
 
Is that really on spec, i wouldn't classify an agency selling for me as on a 70/30 split as spec

On spec as i understand it is turning up under my own license and submitting direct to newspapers in the hope of being published and without any agency involvement at all.

I know loads of you turn up on agency licences without prior agreement from said agency and send images in hoping to be published but youre then using the agencies clout to get published, not yours.
 
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I think that is on spec.
 
Ah I see what you mean.
 
Gary Coyle said:
Is that really on spec, i wouldn't classify an agency selling for me as on a 70/30 split as spec

On spec as i understand it is turning up under my own license and submitting direct to newspapers in the hope of being published and without any agency involvement at all.

I know loads of you turn up on agency licences without prior agreement from said agency and send images in hoping to be published but youre then using the agencies clout to get published, not yours.
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Thats my understanding of spec,i never shot any sport,but done a few spec shoot that i thought would make a good story,and sold them of my own back and everything come to me.
 
I don't really understand how Action Images work?
I was Togging at the two! press conferences that Matchroom (boxing) where presenting. At both conferences AND the weigh in Action Images had sent a Tog from Lancashire a 200 mile round trip each time. 600 miles in total of fuel to be covered. How can they afford to do that? It was only a low key event.

I did not see any pics in the Nationals at all.The boxing match was covered by Action Images also(local AI Guy) and those photos appeared in the Nationals.

I do wonder how much money is being paid by the Newspapers and Magazines to AI when I see the AI Togs rushing around and leaving lenses that cost thousands of pounds lying on the floor unattended!(they don't seem to care). They Must be on reasonable money,then the costs of travel and the offices and admin. It must be costing the Media more than if they used freelancers and there are plenty of them now.
:thinking:
 
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blue marlin said:
In reply to the original question not sure about Getty but and I stand corrected AI do stuff for Bolton so that could be the reason
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That is correct AI do all the official match day stuff for Bolton so they will be at all BWFC games
 
I stopped working for agencies about 2yrs ago after falling out over commissions/rates. I did cover non league for two seasons for NLP but due to various staff switching/changing. I could have applied for my own licence but decided against as I would have to commit to every weekend at least. I've not done anything this season but then not been available most weekends due to other commitments. Cant say I miss sitting out in freezing cold or wet conditions but did enjoy the football (most anyway). I did talk to another agency about this season but nothing came of it and think it just fizzled out.

I certainly wouldn't consider shooting on spec again as I have "served" my time doing that over the years and it is hard and mostly a waste of time in the Prem. You may get the odd usage but money is quickly swallowed up over the next few no usages. I wouldn't say I will never do it again but would be commission only (or mainly) and would need to be for one man or smallish agency.
 
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There was loads photogrpahing the blackburn v man city on sat.. inc a few off TP

I was lucky.. both goals scored right in front of me and both scorers ran towards me for the celebrations...

however.. even though i got great shots and easy right place right time..I sent the main pics to nationals... i wouldnt have made a bean on spec as others got equally good shots and all agencies and all got used.. no point using mine when action images get the same frames almost and probably have a better deal in place..

i was on wages for the game and will be for the return leg.. wouldnt even bother going if it was on spec.. waste of time IMHO :(

my gallery for the game is here if interested
http://www.kipax.com/gallery/index.php?album=MEDIA ONLY/3044
 
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