Toggers Rights

I'm not taking my camera out of the house at all during the games. I don't care what my rights are, I can't be bothered to spend two weeks arguing with people in uniforms about why I'm using my camera.
 
I'm not taking my camera out of the house at all during the games. I don't care what my rights are, I can't be bothered to spend two weeks arguing with people in uniforms about why I'm using my camera.

I know the feeling,its a shame are biggest event in years,and all i feel like,is i will be glad when the whole bloody thing is over :(
 
Well, that's just the way it is when Britain gets involved in anything. It turns into a giant corporate sex session and jus get's a little embarrassing after a while.

The British government have never been opaque about their real interests, and they weren't, for a minute, going to make this an olympics for the people.
 
Not really 'new' News is it?

One incident has nothing do with the Olympics and is from 2010 :bonk: and the other which mentions the Olympic Park is also from 2010.

Ms Powell statement doesn't give any time when this 'incident' happened and Jess Hurd's trip to the park has already been discussed here, and the consensus was that the journalists were looking for a confrontation.

I'm all for photographers rights but I think this piece is just a filler and scaremongering.

I was at the Olympic Park on Saturday and had no problems taking pictures, I did get a few looks but no-one approached me or had anything to say about the pictures I was taking, I have to admit that after reading all these stories I was fully expecting to get some bother from security.
 
AGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!

Ok. There's no such thing as "photographers rights".
 
AGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!

Ok. There's no such thing as "photographers rights".

Indeed! But we are allowed to carry out our activities without interference by others....... Just mincing words really.... ;)
 
Splog said:
Indeed! But we are allowed to carry out our activities without interference by others....... Just mincing words really.... ;)

Yes indeedy, I just hate that nonsensical phrase.
 
AGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!

Ok. There's no such thing as "photographers rights".

Dont think i was talking about "photographers rights",maybe in the wrong thread, this was talk about as the people games.

Just a feeling,that this games is just about money,and they like to keep us all away :(
 
Just a feeling,that this games is just about money,and they like to keep us all away :(

The games has been nothing but a commercial enterprise since Atlanta in 1996. It's now too big to be anything else.

Maybe if we stop moving the circus to reduce the overheads and the need for quite so much commercial sponsorship. Have every nation stump up an entry fee for each athlete and the whole thing is permenently moved to the site of the Athens Olympics from 2004. The weather is reasonably predictable and the time zone isn't too bad. The Americans will hate the idea, and for that reason most of the other nations of the world could probably be persuaded to agree to it. Most of the major stadium facilities are still in use, and the international investment to bring everything up to scratch would probably be welcomed by the Greek economy at the moment.
 
It's not the photographers that need to know 'photographers rights' for want of better words. It's our human rights and the police and security should realise by now that just because we carry a camera doesn't make us any different than any body else. Anybody can look where they like in a public place, but you try to take a photo and it's like your some kind of pariah. Just let us enjoy what we're doing and ignore us, like you do with everyone else.

What difference would it make if hundreds of people take cameras into the Olympics stadia and take photos. They're not likely to have the same perspective, quality (not IQ but vantage point), and saleability as the pro's sat at the side of the track or by the finish line. Cameras are made to capture the image the mind sees (memories) and by banning cameras from the games will make it a lot less memorable to a lot of people. There's been a lot of hard earned money spent by the public for tickets and a lot would like to be able to show friends and family and say "look, I was there". Lets get back to the ethics of the games, a group of amateur atheletes giving their all for a chance of a gold medal and a chance to remember it.
 
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I got stopped by a PCSO the other day whilst waiting outside my girlfriends house for her to get her shoes on so we could walk to the park and take some photos together. He stopped me and asked me what I was doing, which I felt was a stupid question seen as I had my camera + 70-200L lens using the strap around my neck whilst clearly waiting for someone. He then asked me where I was going and what I was going to take pictures of.

I honestly felt like he thought I was a pedophile or something. He didn't take any details or ask anything about my camera and went on his way, yet really put me in a bad mood just for the fact I felt that I was being singled out.

If I stood in the street with a mobile phone I wouldn't have EVER been stopped, yet I could have used the camera on it to take as many photos of random passers by.

I firmly believe it is just prejudice to photographers. Labelling us terrorists because we take photos or video of systems which photo and video us is deemed illegal supposedly, which I think its rich when we are basically lab rats in a big brother society.

The olympics banning cameras is just a joke and yet another reason to add to the long list of what is wrong with this country.
 
James
I think you're presuming a great deal. You weren't standing there with a mobile in your hand, so you can't know what would have happened can you?
You've assumed, which is exactly what you are accusing the PCSO of doing.
Has it crossed your mind that you may have looked a bit suspect irrespective of the camera? Have you intimate knowledge of the number of burglary's muggings and other crime in that street? I doubt it very much.
I'm afraid the assumption, because that is all it is, of some sort of prejudice against photographers is incorrect, there isn't. I can say that having been Old Bill, and a photographer. I've walked passed 100's of 1000's of people with a camera, and I have also stopped and questioned photographers. Not simply because that have an slr over their shoulder, although obviously stopping and advising Nikon owners should be a public duty, but because something else has made me think.
Until and unless Police are issued with ESP, then people with cameras who have done nothing wrong will get stopped and asked to account. Thats exactly the same as drivers of cars, people hanging about outside banks, people walking round with boxes at midnight or just about any other activities, mostly they have done nothing at all wrong but far more people falling into those activities get stopped than people with cameras.
Unfortunately, like it or not cameras are used in crime, and sometimes photographers put themselves in a position where it all looks wrong.
 
I got stopped by a PCSO the other day whilst waiting outside my girlfriends house for her to get her shoes on so we could walk to the park and take some photos together. He stopped me and asked me what I was doing, which I felt was a stupid question seen as I had my camera + 70-200L lens using the strap around my neck whilst clearly waiting for someone. He then asked me where I was going and what I was going to take pictures of.
Maybe he was making conversation? Maybe he was interested in photography, perhaps he thought you knew something he didn't (a photographically worthwhile event round the corner).

I've been approached a few times in a similar way, it's ended up in some interesting conversations with officers about photography and cameras. Having a DSLR seems to make everyone assume you can recommend a cheap camera for their wife - it's never for them, you understand..

I believe the police are encouraged to make conversation with the public, but some of them just aren't very good at small talk. So they tend to all back on the obvious. If they say "Good evening", say "Good evening" back.
 
James
I think you're presuming a great deal. You weren't standing there with a mobile in your hand, so you can't know what would have happened can you?
You've assumed, which is exactly what you are accusing the PCSO of doing.
Has it crossed your mind that you may have looked a bit suspect irrespective of the camera? Have you intimate knowledge of the number of burglary's muggings and other crime in that street? I doubt it very much.
I'm afraid the assumption, because that is all it is, of some sort of prejudice against photographers is incorrect, there isn't. I can say that having been Old Bill, and a photographer. I've walked passed 100's of 1000's of people with a camera, and I have also stopped and questioned photographers. Not simply because that have an slr over their shoulder, although obviously stopping and advising Nikon owners should be a public duty, but because something else has made me think.
Until and unless Police are issued with ESP, then people with cameras who have done nothing wrong will get stopped and asked to account. Thats exactly the same as drivers of cars, people hanging about outside banks, people walking round with boxes at midnight or just about any other activities, mostly they have done nothing at all wrong but far more people falling into those activities get stopped than people with cameras.
Unfortunately, like it or not cameras are used in crime, and sometimes photographers put themselves in a position where it all looks wrong.

Thats not how it came across at all though. Police can only stop and question someone if they look suspicious and I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. Also, I am actually fully aware of the police incidents in the area as they directly affected my girlfriends house insurance quote, which I helped research, so I am not that blind when it comes to these things.

Maybe he was making conversation? Maybe he was interested in photography, perhaps he thought you knew something he didn't (a photographically worthwhile event round the corner).

I've been approached a few times in a similar way, it's ended up in some interesting conversations with officers about photography and cameras. Having a DSLR seems to make everyone assume you can recommend a cheap camera for their wife - it's never for them, you understand..

I believe the police are encouraged to make conversation with the public, but some of them just aren't very good at small talk. So they tend to all back on the obvious. If they say "Good evening", say "Good evening" back.

I wish that was the case mate but sadly it wasn't. I was asked what I was doing, what I was taking pictures of and where I was going. What I'm taking pictures of is a fair question, as I'm fully aware of the fact there are certain things which cannot be photographed. However I was stood in a public place (pavement), outside of my girlfriends house who had left the door open whilst she had gone upstairs to get her shoes. How on earth I was looking suspicious is beyond belief. If I was a public menace or god forbid, terrorist, I highly doubt I'd be stood in a predominantly student and retired area which only has a public park next to it lol.
 
So was it the way he asked the questions? Sorry, but I don't see anything in what you've written that's worth writing about. He asked a couple of straightforward questions and went on his way. As I read it, he didn't "stop and question" you either.. you were stationary at the time ;)

This is normal. Of course, you missed the obvious response, "Would you mind if I took your portrait for my 100 strangers project?".. (doesn't matter is he's number 1 in the project, his response would be the best barometer of his attutude).
 
So was it the way he asked the questions? Sorry, but I don't see anything in what you've written that's worth writing about. He asked a couple of straightforward questions and went on his way. As I read it, he didn't "stop and question" you either.. you were stationary at the time ;)

This is normal. Of course, you missed the obvious response, "Would you mind if I took your portrait for my 100 strangers project?".. (doesn't matter is he's number 1 in the project, his response would be the best barometer of his attutude).

Aye. Good tip, will use that next time.
 
James

What does suspicious look like? You might well think you look all innocent and sweet as a new born puppy. But get 100 people to look at you, and a proportion will think otherwise.
I doubt very much you've been into the local nick and looked at the crime book, or computer, so as I said, you're guessing at local crime rates. You don't know that someone who unfortunately looked like you committed crime round the corner, all you know is the narrow view that you have chosen.
While there's nothing wrong in having that view, you have to understand that there's another side to it. In the circumstances you described, I'd probably have asked you what you are doing, irrespective of having a camera round you neck. The fact he mentioned it is more likely part of the 'patter'. Just the same as, for example if I stopped a car, while asking other questions I'd be slipping in 'chat' about the car, thinks like what are these like, good on petrol? etc.
I think you have jumped to a conclusions about the reasons for the stop, I doubt it had much to do with your camera.
 
Thats not how it came across at all though. Police can only stop and question someone if they look suspicious and I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. Also, I am actually fully aware of the police incidents in the area as they directly affected my girlfriends house insurance quote, which I helped research, so I am not that blind when it comes to these things.



I wish that was the case mate but sadly it wasn't. I was asked what I was doing, what I was taking pictures of and where I was going. What I'm taking pictures of is a fair question, as I'm fully aware of the fact there are certain things which cannot be photographed. However I was stood in a public place (pavement), outside of my girlfriends house who had left the door open whilst she had gone upstairs to get her shoes. How on earth I was looking suspicious is beyond belief. If I was a public menace or god forbid, terrorist, I highly doubt I'd be stood in a predominantly student and retired area which only has a public park next to it lol.

Hi
I don't understand why you were asked question,just for standing in the street with a camera :shrug:.
As those others disagree with me,I just tink once again it was just an another PCSO,on an power trip :(
 
James

What does suspicious look like? You might well think you look all innocent and sweet as a new born puppy. But get 100 people to look at you, and a proportion will think otherwise.
I doubt very much you've been into the local nick and looked at the crime book, or computer, so as I said, you're guessing at local crime rates. You don't know that someone who unfortunately looked like you committed crime round the corner, all you know is the narrow view that you have chosen.
While there's nothing wrong in having that view, you have to understand that there's another side to it. In the circumstances you described, I'd probably have asked you what you are doing, irrespective of having a camera round you neck. The fact he mentioned it is more likely part of the 'patter'. Just the same as, for example if I stopped a car, while asking other questions I'd be slipping in 'chat' about the car, thinks like what are these like, good on petrol? etc.
I think you have jumped to a conclusions about the reasons for the stop, I doubt it had much to do with your camera.

Sorry Bernie,but I will tell you what suspicious,a load of drunks in the town centre,causing trouble, some people asking an PCSO,if he could help,and the PCSO turning round and saying,do you think I am going over their to that lot ,and just walking away.
And when a couple of drunken racist,start abuseing some tourist in the city
centre,because they were black,me going up to an another PCSO,to report it, see them running away,shouting their head of,to be told their not doing it now,I am not going after them :(.
 
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James J said:
Thats not how it came across at all though. Police can only stop and question someone if they look suspicious and I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. Also, I am actually fully aware of the police incidents in the area as they directly affected my girlfriends house insurance quote, which I helped research, so I am not that blind when it comes to these things.

I wish that was the case mate but sadly it wasn't. I was asked what I was doing, what I was taking pictures of and where I was going. What I'm taking pictures of is a fair question, as I'm fully aware of the fact there are certain things which cannot be photographed. However I was stood in a public place (pavement), outside of my girlfriends house who had left the door open whilst she had gone upstairs to get her shoes. How on earth I was looking suspicious is beyond belief. If I was a public menace or god forbid, terrorist, I highly doubt I'd be stood in a predominantly student and retired area which only has a public park next to it lol.

The police can stop and speak to anyone they like, at any time. As can any person!

Also, I'd bet you have no idea about the police activity in your area! Research for house insurance, that made me lol!!
 
The police can stop and speak to anyone they like, at any time. As can any person!

Also, I'd bet you have no idea about the police activity in your area! Research for house insurance, that made me lol!!

You give me far less credit than I deserve. The new police website which crashed within the first 24 hours stated that there was 29 incidents on that street, yet didn't say of what nature. Insurance premiums are far lower in areas where crime isn't an issue, regardless of house pricing.

If you don't believe me, thats fine. Its not like I have anything to prove to you anyway!
 
James, I'm sorry but from your description this is in no way a "stop and search". The PCSO was perfectly entitled to ask you some questions, it is what any good "police officer" walking past you would do.

Andy
 
James, I'm sorry but from your description this is in no way a "stop and search". The PCSO was perfectly entitled to ask you some questions, it is what any good "police officer" walking past you would do.

Andy

Why ?, James was just standing in an street,waiting for his girlfriend,and had a camera.

Why is an PCSO perfectly entitled to ask some questions,was he doing anything wrong, :shrug:
 
Why ?, James was just standing in an street,waiting for his girlfriend,and had a camera.

Why is an PCSO perfectly entitled to ask some questions,was he doing anything wrong, :shrug:

I'm not a policeman or PCSO and I could have asked you some questions, as could any stranger. It's not against the law, he (the PCSO) is not accusing anyone of anything.
 
simonblue said:
Why ?, James was just standing in an street,waiting for his girlfriend,and had a camera.

Why is an PCSO perfectly entitled to ask some questions,was he doing anything wrong, :shrug:

Because that is what policing is all about. Taking the time to talk to folk is all part of the job. the PCSO doesn't need to suspect anything in order to talk to anyone and quoting "terrorism" etc is plain laughable.

The OP has only stated that the PCSO asked him a few questions, he wasn't stop and searched but instantly certain members here assume that the PCSO needed a reason to talk to him.

From the OP's description it sounds like the PCSO was doing nothing more than talk, not going on a "power trip".

Unfortunately there are too many members here that instantly go on the offensive.

Andy
 
Because that is what policing is all about. Taking the time to talk to folk is all part of the job. the PCSO doesn't need to suspect anything in order to talk to anyone and quoting "terrorism" etc is plain laughable.

The OP has only stated that the PCSO asked him a few questions, he wasn't stop and searched but instantly certain members here assume that the PCSO needed a reason to talk to him.

From the OP's description it sounds like the PCSO was doing nothing more than talk, not going on a "power trip".

Unfortunately there are too many members here that instantly go on the offensive.

Andy

No we don't! You don't even know what you're talking about! No one goes on the offensive other than you. You started it... :wave:
 
James, I'm sorry but from your description this is in no way a "stop and search". The PCSO was perfectly entitled to ask you some questions, it is what any good "police officer" walking past you would do.

Andy

I never said it was a stop and search though, as thats a recorded incident anyway. I just thought it was odd that the guy got off his bike to ask me what I was doing, where I was going and what I was taking pictures of. A random member of the public wouldn't ask questions like that, instead they'd probably say "wow thats a big camera" lol.

I also don't dispute the fact that a PCSO or police officer can ask questions. The fact is he wouldn't have said a word if I didn't have a camera around my neck, which is what I'm trying to point out. Why does a photographer have to explain his or her actions when they are legally allowed to be there, take photos and pretty much do what they want as long as they don't break any law?
 
I never said it was a stop and search though, as thats a recorded incident anyway. I just thought it was odd that the guy got off his bike to ask me what I was doing, where I was going and what I was taking pictures of. A random member of the public wouldn't ask questions like that, instead they'd probably say "wow thats a big camera" lol.

I also don't dispute the fact that a PCSO or police officer can ask questions. The fact is he wouldn't have said a word if I didn't have a camera around my neck, which is what I'm trying to point out. Why does a photographer have to explain his or her actions when they are legally allowed to be there, take photos and pretty much do what they want as long as they don't break any law?

Adgree with you very odd,just because you had a camera :(
 
Because that is what policing is all about. Taking the time to talk to folk is all part of the job. the PCSO doesn't need to suspect anything in order to talk to anyone and quoting "terrorism" etc is plain laughable.

The OP has only stated that the PCSO asked him a few questions, he wasn't stop and searched but instantly certain members here assume that the PCSO needed a reason to talk to him.

From the OP's description it sounds like the PCSO was doing nothing more than talk, not going on a "power trip".

Unfortunately there are too many members here that instantly go on the offensive.

Andy

I think the question we are asking now,is it because we carry a camera,does any PCSO,now have the right to stop and ask us to account,just because we are carrying a camera.
If so i am going to be stop,and made to account everyday if they want to,because i carry a camera everywhere :(
 
so you were stood outside a house , the door wide open , with a camera, - at night .
Maybe waiting for your mate inside the flat grabbing the laptop, telly or whatever...
How is he to know your aren't up to something if He doesn't come and ask!
 
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