The most boring photo subjects ever...crit needed

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Hi all,

I have just today moved into a studio I am sharing with 2 mates. We aim to spend some time studying and practicing before getting some paying clients. But, as I am an impatient sort of chap, I wanted to check out the set up I put up. But there was just me...so i first took a picture of the coat stand with my bag on it, then took a photo of myself.

I would like crit on the light, the background (think I see a little not-quite-white - do you?). Is there spill? Is the colour ok?

please don't crit the models...one is a right bag, and the other is an ugly bu**er! :)


test 1 by http://bendthelight.me.uk, on Flickr


Me - test by http://bendthelight.me.uk, on Flickr

Cheers
 
How honest do you want us to be?
 
Right, I’ll be really, really polite...
You’ve ruined both shots with the * white background, it’s seriously overlit, especially on the shot of you.

Let’s start with the bag. The first thing to do with any shot of any subject is to decide what you actually want to photograph – what the benefits of the subject are, how it should be portrayed, how much to show, and then finally how best to light it.
The benefits, presumably, are that it straps to your back and has lots of pockets and things, so I would have done the straps up, taken a much closer shot and would have eliminated as much as possible of the coat stand. It’s just a coat stand. And I would have held the camera straight.

Then I would have lit it with one fairly hard light, from the left (facing) side, with the light skimming across the front. This would have revealed the texture, shown the pockets and zips clearly and given it a bit of a shine too. The light needs to be fairly distant, so that the fall off of light across the width is gradual. At this point, it looks like a really expensive bag.

The background isn’t too bad on this one, but it is overexposed though and the overexposure has lowered the contrast and spilled light where it isn’t wanted. If the background really needs to be white, then it should be lit (on this shot) evenly but at a much lower level, so that the flare disappears and the background shows as a very light grey. Then, in PS, go to image>adjustments>selective color>white and move the black slider to make the background white. This will also make the maker’s name whiter and brighter.

Moving to the shot of you, let me say straight away that although it’s not the most flattering shot in the world, it’s also virtually impossible to light a self portrait well, so my comments are really on what you could have done if you had been photographing someone else...

The first problem is the chavground. It is seriously overlit, so much so that light is spilling onto the left side of your face and arms and the edges of even your dark hair have been destroyed. That overexposure has also created flare, destroying contrast.

Then there’s the light. It’s flat and horrible. Even worse, it’s what’s known as broad lighting, it lights the whole of the right side of your face, which makes you look... broad. Maybe that’s what you want, but if I was taking a shot of someone of your build I would have used short lighting, i.e. light that hits only the short, or less visible, side of the face. My single light would be off to camera right with only the left side of the face (the short side) lit. This would leave the right side of the face in shadow. If that shadow turns out to be too strong then a simple reflector will fill in the shadow as much as necessary. The result? You would lose at least 4 stone...

An alternative would be a single light directly in front of where you are facing and high. This would again create shadow, your neck, ear and part of your beard would be in shadow, again this would be far more flattering.

Lighting isn’t about flooding the subject with light, it’s about lighting the bits we want to emphasise and creating shadow where shadows flatter, and where we don’t want the eye to dwell upon.
 
WOW!! That is some C&C!
Probably one of the best and most detailed I have seen on here.
Not even going to try and add anymore.
Brilliant!
 
Right, I’ll be really, really polite...
You’ve ruined both shots with the * white background, it’s seriously overlit, especially on the shot of you.

Let’s start with the bag. The first thing to do with any shot of any subject is to decide what you actually want to photograph – what the benefits of the subject are, how it should be portrayed, how much to show, and then finally how best to light it.
The benefits, presumably, are that it straps to your back and has lots of pockets and things, so I would have done the straps up, taken a much closer shot and would have eliminated as much as possible of the coat stand. It’s just a coat stand. And I would have held the camera straight.

Then I would have lit it with one fairly hard light, from the left (facing) side, with the light skimming across the front. This would have revealed the texture, shown the pockets and zips clearly and given it a bit of a shine too. The light needs to be fairly distant, so that the fall off of light across the width is gradual. At this point, it looks like a really expensive bag.

The background isn’t too bad on this one, but it is overexposed though and the overexposure has lowered the contrast and spilled light where it isn’t wanted. If the background really needs to be white, then it should be lit (on this shot) evenly but at a much lower level, so that the flare disappears and the background shows as a very light grey. Then, in PS, go to image>adjustments>selective color>white and move the black slider to make the background white. This will also make the maker’s name whiter and brighter.

Moving to the shot of you, let me say straight away that although it’s not the most flattering shot in the world, it’s also virtually impossible to light a self portrait well, so my comments are really on what you could have done if you had been photographing someone else...

The first problem is the chavground. It is seriously overlit, so much so that light is spilling onto the left side of your face and arms and the edges of even your dark hair have been destroyed. That overexposure has also created flare, destroying contrast.

Then there’s the light. It’s flat and horrible. Even worse, it’s what’s known as broad lighting, it lights the whole of the right side of your face, which makes you look... broad. Maybe that’s what you want, but if I was taking a shot of someone of your build I would have used short lighting, i.e. light that hits only the short, or less visible, side of the face. My single light would be off to camera right with only the left side of the face (the short side) lit. This would leave the right side of the face in shadow. If that shadow turns out to be too strong then a simple reflector will fill in the shadow as much as necessary. The result? You would lose at least 4 stone...

An alternative would be a single light directly in front of where you are facing and high. This would again create shadow, your neck, ear and part of your beard would be in shadow, again this would be far more flattering.

Lighting isn’t about flooding the subject with light, it’s about lighting the bits we want to emphasise and creating shadow where shadows flatter, and where we don’t want the eye to dwell upon.

Thank you...I have read, and will re-read your crit. And I will try to put into practice what you suggest. I was there tonight with my two collegues, and we are just taking shots and seeing what happens...we intend to give a lot of time to learning now that we have the space to try it.

Thanks for the honest crit. :)
 
WOW!! That is some C&C!
Probably one of the best and most detailed I have seen on here.
Not even going to try and add anymore.
Brilliant!

Well, I asked for it. :lol:

And I really do read it, and try to use the advice. :)

Cheers
 
WOW!! That is some C&C!
Probably one of the best and most detailed I have seen on here.
Not even going to try and add anymore.
Brilliant!
+1!
More like a mini master-class :)
I'm just starting to play with studio lights at home and this has definitely given me some things to bear in mind, too.
 

Thanks for the link...I'll check it out. :)

+1!
More like a mini master-class :)
I'm just starting to play with studio lights at home and this has definitely given me some things to bear in mind, too.

I like crit like this...at least it says how to put right what went wrong. Always willing to learn a lesson...:)
 
Thanks for the link...I'll check it out. :)



I like crit like this...at least it says how to put right what went wrong. Always willing to learn a lesson...:)
Light: Science & Magic is first class.
People need to be pretty thick-skinned to put up with my comments, but I try to be useful rather than tactful - I'm much worse and much more detailed face to face on the Lighting Workshops I host:lol:
 
Light: Science & Magic is first class.
People need to be pretty thick-skinned to put up with my comments, but I try to be useful rather than tactful - I'm much worse and much more detailed face to face on the Lighting Workshops I host:lol:

Wish I had the money to attend some workshops like that...nothing beats a hands on teaching approach. But I will take a look at those books, all three of us will, and we will work at it. We don't intend taking customers for a good while, until we can confidently get what we want from our set-up.

Cheers
 
I don't know about others but I'd be really interested to see you follow the advice and repost the same shots again so we can see the difference! :)
 
In addition to Garry's excellent comments, I'm guessing that there is a lot of brighly lit background out of shot that, in addition to being excessively over-exposed, is belting light straight at the lens and contributing a lot more to the flare. Screen it off.
 
I don't know about others but I'd be really interested to see you follow the advice and repost the same shots again so we can see the difference! :)

In addition to Garry's excellent comments, I'm guessing that there is a lot of brighly lit background out of shot that, in addition to being excessively over-exposed, is belting light straight at the lens and contributing a lot more to the flare. Screen it off.

Thanks. We now have access to the studio whenever we have a minute, so we will be spending time learning and using this advice, as well as other advice and reading etc. to try to get better at this. I will surely be posting more in the next few weeks...hopefully I will get better! I got better at my other types of photography by listening to advice and by continued practice.

There was a white wall to the right...I guess that needs screening off...thanks for noticing and giving me the heads-up. Cheers
 
better, but you do still need a little PP to sort those few remaining creases in your sheet out. About -6% on the black slider in CS5 should do it. i'm guessing you lit the background from one side only with this (subjects left). I think to get a really even background with white you need to light both sides
 
better, but you do still need a little PP to sort those few remaining creases in your sheet out. About -6% on the black slider in CS5 should do it. i'm guessing you lit the background from one side only with this (subjects left). I think to get a really even background with white you need to light both sides

Thank you...you are correct. I only have 2 proper lights, and one was on the BG. And the subject right was less well lit than subject left...light at subject left.

I do have a couple of normal lights (actually 400W work lights)...I did wonder if I could have those as BG lights, one from each side, and then free up the other studio light for more creative lighting...
 
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WOW!! That is some C&C!
Probably one of the best and most detailed I have seen on here.
Not even going to try and add anymore.
Brilliant!

I agree, really helpful and this is how crit should be

Thanks Garry, very useful for me too :thumbs:
 
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I have also found this really useful as I am also setting up a small studio in the spare room at my shop so reading all this with interest.
Will be on the lencarta shop as soon as I've fitted the room :)

What sort of size is the studio Craig?
 
I have also found this really useful as I am also setting up a small studio in the spare room at my shop so reading all this with interest.
Will be on the lencarta shop as soon as I've fitted the room :)

What sort of size is the studio Craig?

The room is 6m x 7m. It has no windows, and has a small pillar in the middle. But it's definitely usable. Very good terms and very cheap, especially with the three of us using it. Gives us a place to practice. :)

Where are you based?
 
Junction 30 off the M1, mines only 4m by 4m but I have another room I could extend into and double it if needed but will see as time goes on as that is currently being developed as part of my shop.

ah, i know it well. I was brought up just the other side of the services, just before junction 31. :)
 
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