The DPR 7D Review Is Out

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DRP are quite selective in their list of cons.

For example they will mark a camera down if it doesn't have Liveview.

But they won't mention that neither Nikon or Canon support in-body IS unlike Pentax, Olympus and Sony.

A selective list of Cons, that is quite revealing :)

PS: No idea if the camera is anygood, but their Con list is selective :)
 
A list of Cons DPR "forget" - nicked from another forum:

5. No in-body IS
6. No articulated LCD screen
7. Proprietary RAW format
8. Level gauge can't actively correct tilt
9. Large and heavy

10. Contrast detect AF is slow and doesn't support subject tracking across the frame
11. Number of AF points is less than half of Nikon's D300s
12. No user-definable Auto-ISO
13. No dual memory card slot

14. AF microadjust doesn't support separate adjustment for the wide and tele ends of zoom lenses
15. Low value for money
16. No pixel remapping
17. No built in HDR mode

18. Program shift doesn't offer locking aperture or shutter values like A or S modes
19. No manual shift
20. User presets can't reset lens back to AF
21. No LCD color calibration
22. No white balance sensor
21. No alert for dust on the sensor

DPR do make me laugh with their reviews :)
 
puddleduck said:
A list of Cons DPR "forget" - nicked from another forum:

5. No in-body IS
6. No articulated LCD screen
7. Proprietary RAW format
8. Level gauge can't actively correct tilt
9. Large and heavy

10. Contrast detect AF is slow and doesn't support subject tracking across the frame
11. Number of AF points is less than half of Nikon's D300s
12. No user-definable Auto-ISO
13. No dual memory card slot

14. AF microadjust doesn't support separate adjustment for the wide and tele ends of zoom lenses
15. Low value for money
16. No pixel remapping
17. No built in HDR mode

18. Program shift doesn't offer locking aperture or shutter values like A or S modes
19. No manual shift
20. User presets can't reset lens back to AF
21. No LCD color calibration
22. No white balance sensor
21. No alert for dust on the sensor

DPR do make me laugh with their reviews :)
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All I can say to that is...

What the Hell are numbers 1-4 ???????

:lol:

DD
 
DiddyDave said:
All I can say to that is...

What the Hell are numbers 1-4 ???????

:lol:

DD
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Some of the above are reaching a bit I thought.

But its very revealing what DPR choose not to list in their Con list..things other manufactuers do provide.

I make no other comment, apart from its interesting ;)
 
I dioubt there will ever be a DSLR released that has zero cons. Perhaps somone here can name one that has fewer than the 7D? The D300 may have been given fewer cons 1 year ago but things have moved on sinces then and it misses many of the newer features the 7D lists.

The 7D is not perfect, but nothing in it's price range can match it for the timebeing.
 
#17 Seriously, I mean come on.

You would never find all those in the menu's, there is enough in there to keep you busy as it is.

Matt
 
puddleduck said:
A list of Cons DPR "forget" - nicked from another forum:

5. No in-body IS
6. No articulated LCD screen
7. Proprietary RAW format
8. Level gauge can't actively correct tilt
9. Large and heavy

10. Contrast detect AF is slow and doesn't support subject tracking across the frame
11. Number of AF points is less than half of Nikon's D300s
12. No user-definable Auto-ISO
13. No dual memory card slot

14. AF microadjust doesn't support separate adjustment for the wide and tele ends of zoom lenses
15. Low value for money
16. No pixel remapping
17. No built in HDR mode

18. Program shift doesn't offer locking aperture or shutter values like A or S modes
19. No manual shift
20. User presets can't reset lens back to AF
21. No LCD color calibration
22. No white balance sensor
21. No alert for dust on the sensor

DPR do make me laugh with their reviews :)
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I think that's being very picky.

You could probably chuck in that it doesn't photosynthesise nor does it act as a dual-hob cooker.

I understand that other manufacturers may offer those things, but some of them may not be relevant to the proper functioning of the camera.
Surely a con should be something that actively detracts from the use/purchase of the camera?
 
foodpoison said:
I think that's being very picky.

You could probably chuck in that it doesn't photosynthesise nor does it act as a dual-hob cooker.

I understand that other manufacturers may offer those things, but some of them may not be relevant to the proper functioning of the camera.
Surely a con should be something that actively detracts from the use/purchase of the camera?
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agreed.
 
foodpoison said:
I think that's being very picky.
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Some of it is yes.. but I've seen DPR mark down cameras for "no liveview" but never for "no inbody-IS"


Why the double standard?
Their list is selective.


They also didn't mentioned lack of proper AutoISO, something Nikon has been doing right for years. Again selective...

Why the double standard?
Their list is selective.

The Sony A900 got a "Con" for offering two memory slots.. as one was Sony memory stick. Yet, the 7D offers only one.... the D300s has 2 slots as well. But no "Con" against the 7D for one.

Why the double standard?
Their list is selective.

The reason for the short Con list is that they left a few out.

Again I am commenting on DPR's double standards and, not the 7D. I want to make that clear.
 
puddleduck said:
Why the double standard?
Their list is selective.
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You mean like for the Pentax K-7?

More RAW noise than predecessor (but in line with competition)

Then why isn't it mentioned on the competitions review

Contrast detect AF so slow it's useless for most types of photography (not much different on the competitors though)

Then why isn't it mentioned on the competitions review

HDR and a range of other features only available in JPEG mode

At the time of release the K-7 was the only camera with HDR
 
Mike.P said:
You mean like for the Pentax K-7?

More RAW noise than predecessor (but in line with competition)

Then why isn't it mentioned on the competitions review

Contrast detect AF so slow it's useless for most types of photography (not much different on the competitors though)

Then why isn't it mentioned on the competitions review

HDR and a range of other features only available in JPEG mode

At the time of release the K-7 was the only camera with HDR
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Exactly :)

And you can bet as soon as Nikon and Canon offer in-camera HDR anyone else not offering it will be hit with a "Con" - just wait and see..
 
At the end of the day I don't take these reviews too seriously anyway, I prefer to form my own opinions by using the camera. For a lot of people though, the 7D will live or die on the strength of this review. Canon have taken some stick the last couple of years and paid the price in lost sales - deservedly so too, but there's 2 years development gone into the 7D, which really shows, and Canon deserve to have a winner on their hands with this camera. If they don't then at least it wont be down to this review.
 
I believe the blurbs I have seen that in body IS isnt as effective as IS in the lens because having an IS system specifically designed and set up for a lens is more effective than just a general IS in body system.
 
oRGie said:
I believe the blurbs I have seen that in body IS isnt as effective as IS in the lens because having an IS system specifically designed and set up for a lens is more effective than just a general IS in body system.
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I honestly couldn't say yes or no on this as I have never used a IS/VR lens but I do know I can handhold my Pentax K10D with a Bigma @ 500mm f1/180 and still get sharp pictures. I tried on a friends Canon with his Bigma and although I could still do it the keep rate was much much lower (Bigma has no VR/IS).

You also have to remember that with inbody IS you get it with EVERY lens .. not just the ones costing an absolute fortune.

As I said, not running in lens IS down because I have never tried it but I do know in body works very well.
 
CT said:
Top post! :D
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Thanks! - and it appears that Ken has already given it the once over. He likes it incidentally but this is my favourite bit:

For most people shooting anything other than sports and action, I wouldn't get too excited. When any product crams as many features as the 7D does into one product, no one ever can figure out how to use them.
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Both Canon and Nikon provide Image Stabilisation through their lenses. If they did not provide any option for IS/VR then it would be considered a con. Perhaps all Sony and Pentax lenses should be knocked down because none of them provide in-built stabilisation?

Canon and Nikon do it this way because they believe lens based IS/VR it is technically better. Cynics may say it is profiteering, but if it is such a bad idea why do almost all Pro's use Nikon or Canon gear?

Lack of in-camera IS/VR is not a con in my opinion.
 
puddleduck said:
A list of Cons DPR "forget" - nicked from another forum:

5. No in-body IS
6. No articulated LCD screen
7. Proprietary RAW format
8. Level gauge can't actively correct tilt
9. Large and heavy

10. Contrast detect AF is slow and doesn't support subject tracking across the frame
11. Number of AF points is less than half of Nikon's D300s
12. No user-definable Auto-ISO
13. No dual memory card slot

14. AF microadjust doesn't support separate adjustment for the wide and tele ends of zoom lenses
15. Low value for money
16. No pixel remapping
17. No built in HDR mode

18. Program shift doesn't offer locking aperture or shutter values like A or S modes
19. No manual shift
20. User presets can't reset lens back to AF
21. No LCD color calibration
22. No white balance sensor
21. No alert for dust on the sensor

DPR do make me laugh with their reviews :)
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I havn't bothered looking at the rest in detail because it seems wherever the above list came from is by someone who has an axe grind and clutching at straws. The one highlighted in red is a typical smoke and mirrors point - they failed to mentioned that the 7D has more cross type sensors than the D300(S); which in my book is a damn sight more important than having more sensors in general.
 
I was surprised at how positive the review was as dpreview had a reputation for being anti Canon (on the Canon slr forum) for being slower to review new Canons than new Nikons and normally giving poorer marks.
 
razor777 said:
I havn't bothered looking at the rest in detail because it seems wherever the above list came from is by someone who has an axe grind and clutching at straws. The one highlighted in red is a typical smoke and mirrors point - they failed to mentioned that the 7D has more cross type sensors than the D300(S); which in my book is a damn sight more important than having more sensors in general.
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Spot on... I only ever use the 1 AF point at any one time anyway... :shrug:
 
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