Texas and an odd gun law

An interesting read for UK firearms offenses the biggest percentage 40+% using hand guns. So there are plenty of them out there.Although in fairness as they say it's difficult to know wether they we real or not unless they were fired.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7654/

I can’t link you to any statistics but I’m reasonably sure that before they were banned there were very few crimes committed with actual handguns, certainly they didn’t get into the national media if there were. After ‘Dunblane’ there were almost daily (exaggeration) TV programmes showing how easy it was to convert inactivated etc guns to fire or illegally import them and so. It was practically a DIY course In How to get a Pistol :(. The rest is history.
 
It’s an interesting fact about the current Texas shooting that what we would call the Gold Commander was the chief of the school district police force — commanding 6 men. Oddly the job was never taken over by the City Police or any other agency, at least until very late in the day.

From NYT.
 
I can’t link you to any statistics but I’m reasonably sure that before they were banned there were very few crimes committed with actual handguns, certainly they didn’t get into the national media if there were. After ‘Dunblane’ there were almost daily (exaggeration) TV programmes showing how easy it was to convert inactivated etc guns to fire or illegally import them and so. It was practically a DIY course In How to get a Pistol :(. The rest is history.
Yes. The vast majority of "guns" used in the small number of crimes that involve them seem to be "unknowns" (never seized by police" that are very likely to be imitations or airguns disguised to look like real ones, and I refer back to my earlier post because I can't think of any legitimate reason for allowing this type of "gun" to be sold.

And then there are all of the tutorials telling people how to make guns using 3-D printers . . . Can this actually work? Probably, after all the original Glock semi-autos were made very largely from plastic and they worked, up to a point, although each successive model does seem to be more metal and less plastic:) And then there must be untold thousands of people who are capable of making handguns on a lathe. The sticking point for most criminals is probably obtaining ammunition, but again there are loopholes here because although ammunition cannot be purchased without the appropriate firearms certificate, all of the componant parts can be bought over the counter without one with the exception of the actual projectile (bullet) which must be easy to make. As It happens, firearms dealers tend to refuse to sell to people who don't have a certificate but they can do so if they wish, which is an obvious weakness in the legislation.

But I don't think that it can be easy to obtain genuine guns illegally, after all when Mark Duggan was shot by police (and ignoring the circumstances) he was found to be in possession of a starting pistol that had been converted to fire a single shot. You'd think that career criminals would have access to the real thing . . .
 
This is interesting and odd. The current school shooter in Uvalde was in the same class a two others who planned a shooting in 2018, though originally they had planned to do it this April on the Columbine shooting anniversary. Seems school shootings are becoming a tradition.:(


Two local teenagers, who on April 25 were detained for conspiracy to commit murder, allegedly planned to detonate improvised explosive devices before conducting a mass school shooting at Morales Junior High.

According to the Uvalde Police Department, the pair initially decided to execute their plan on April 20, 2022. That date represents the duos senior year of high school and the 23rd anniversary of the Columbine High School shooting.

I originally got this from:
 
This is interesting and odd. The current school shooter in Uvalde was in the same class a two others who planned a shooting in 2018, though originally they had planned to do it this April on the Columbine shooting anniversary. Seems school shootings are becoming a tradition.:(


Two local teenagers, who on April 25 were detained for conspiracy to commit murder, allegedly planned to detonate improvised explosive devices before conducting a mass school shooting at Morales Junior High.

According to the Uvalde Police Department, the pair initially decided to execute their plan on April 20, 2022. That date represents the duos senior year of high school and the 23rd anniversary of the Columbine High School shooting.

I originally got this from:

Not happy with Christmas, Easter and their birthdays then, just proves what a sick country the US is.
 
Things have changed here during my lifetime but as a youth growing up in London air guns were readily available everywhere and if as I did you wanted to progress to a shotgun all you needed to legally do was go to the local post office and buy a gun licence for 10 shillings (50p) .

So at the grand old age of 13 I was the happy owner of a savage 12 bore 5 shot pump action shotgun with multi choke .. that’s how easy it was back then , quiet a few gun shops to choose from to and no problems getting cartridges either .

At that time I estimate 25% of my classmates in school were into shooting .

Obviously things have changed these days but I often wonder what happened to all those guns ,I guarantee they were not ALL handed in and some will still be in grandads loft hidden just in case .
 
Anyone who possesses an arm with intent to injure or kill has no respect whatsoever for life!

Out of everything that that this world has to offer, life is the most precious.
 
Things have changed here during my lifetime but as a youth growing up in London air guns were readily available everywhere and if as I did you wanted to progress to a shotgun all you needed to legally do was go to the local post office and buy a gun licence for 10 shillings (50p) .

So at the grand old age of 13 I was the happy owner of a savage 12 bore 5 shot pump action shotgun with multi choke .. that’s how easy it was back then , quiet a few gun shops to choose from to and no problems getting cartridges either .

At that time I estimate 25% of my classmates in school were into shooting .

Obviously things have changed these days but I often wonder what happened to all those guns ,I guarantee they were not ALL handed in and some will still be in grandads loft hidden just in case .
You beat me - I didn't buy my first shotgun until I was 17, bought it from the Littlewoods catalogue.
Yes, we all had airguns, and sheaf knives too. Airguns, shotguns, knives and cartridges were all available from the local ironmonger's shop, and from second-hand shops. We also bought airguns from other kids at school, which was allowed as long as they weren't loaded. One kid did go too far once though and brought a revolver into school, the teacher took it away from him and the headmaster wouldn't give it back and insisted that his father came into school to collect it.

Gun licences - yes, 10 bob from the post office, and no records were kept, it was just a tax, same as the dog licence. When I had to get a Shotgun Certificate for the first time (1986?) I just walked into my local police station, filled in the form and produced my driving licence as I.D. The desk Sgt looked me up and down, said "Any trouble with the police sir?) and when I said "No" he rubber-stamped the form, accepted my £10 , then signed the form and gave it to me. I still remember his advice "Best keep it under the bed sir, out of sight, that's where it needs to be if you ever have to use it at home". How times have changed!

I used to wear a sheaf knife when working on our farm, but it was always in the way, getting in and out of machines, so when those little "razor blade" locking knives became available I changed to those, much better for cutting string anyway. But the law isn't on my side. It's fine in the fields but as soon as I go into the yard I'm in a public place, and technically I'm breaking the law if I forget to take it out of my pocket, and of course that also applies if I still have it in my pocket (or in easy reach) if I go out in my car. Ridiculous, because it's impossible to work on a farm without a sharp knife, and some know-nothing once decided that locking knives are dangerous, the reality is that they are the only folding knives that can be used safely, so the law makes potential criminals of us all.

So, what's changed? Well, in this country I think that it's just a case of politicians who like to throw their weight around and create unnecessary laws, and as there were always very few crimes involving either guns or knives before they were strictly controlled, the changes to legislation do appear to be unnecessary. In the USA though, with so many extreme attitudes and a generally violent culture, they do seem to need strict laws but have virtually none.
 
Ridiculous, because it's impossible to work on a farm without a sharp knife, and some know-nothing once decided that locking knives are dangerous, the reality is that they are the only folding knives that can be used safely
Exactly, I always call them ”safety knives”. I don’t know why they were banned. I think it may just be that they have been redefined as “fixed blade”.
 
Exactly, I always call them ”safety knives”. I don’t know why they were banned. I think it may just be that they have been redefined as “fixed blade”.
IIRC this is down to case law, a judge ruled that lockblades should be treated as fixed blades if you want to carry them in a public place. I can't find the reference at the moment but I'll post it if I do.
 
IIRC this is down to case law, a judge ruled that lockblades should be treated as fixed blades if you want to carry them in a public place. I can't find the reference at the moment but I'll post it if I do.
Yes, I think you are correct.
 
You beat me - I didn't buy my first shotgun until I was 17, bought it from the Littlewoods catalogue.
Yes, we all had airguns, and sheaf knives too. Airguns, shotguns, knives and cartridges were all available from the local ironmonger's shop, and from second-hand shops. We also bought airguns from other kids at school, which was allowed as long as they weren't loaded. One kid did go too far once though and brought a revolver into school, the teacher took it away from him and the headmaster wouldn't give it back and insisted that his father came into school to collect it.

Gun licences - yes, 10 bob from the post office, and no records were kept, it was just a tax, same as the dog licence. When I had to get a Shotgun Certificate for the first time (1986?) I just walked into my local police station, filled in the form and produced my driving licence as I.D. The desk Sgt looked me up and down, said "Any trouble with the police sir?) and when I said "No" he rubber-stamped the form, accepted my £10 , then signed the form and gave it to me. I still remember his advice "Best keep it under the bed sir, out of sight, that's where it needs to be if you ever have to use it at home". How times have changed!

I used to wear a sheaf knife when working on our farm, but it was always in the way, getting in and out of machines, so when those little "razor blade" locking knives became available I changed to those, much better for cutting string anyway. But the law isn't on my side. It's fine in the fields but as soon as I go into the yard I'm in a public place, and technically I'm breaking the law if I forget to take it out of my pocket, and of course that also applies if I still have it in my pocket (or in easy reach) if I go out in my car. Ridiculous, because it's impossible to work on a farm without a sharp knife, and some know-nothing once decided that locking knives are dangerous, the reality is that they are the only folding knives that can be used safely, so the law makes potential criminals of us all.

So, what's changed? Well, in this country I think that it's just a case of politicians who like to throw their weight around and create unnecessary laws, and as there were always very few crimes involving either guns or knives before they were strictly controlled, the changes to legislation do appear to be unnecessary. In the USA though, with so many extreme attitudes and a generally violent culture, they do seem to need strict laws but have virtually none.

Freemans, Littlewoods, Kays catalogues, always a section with shotguns - Beretta and Baikal and air rifles. My mate in around 1973/74 bought a BSA Airsporter from one. Shocking now to think you could get a shotgun so easily.

 
Shocking now to think you could get a shotgun so easily.
That’s why there were so many school shootings and knifings back then …
 
I despair with America , I will never visit that country.

Your decision, and I respect it, but I'd love to spend time in the US. It's never been possible though, and I doubt if that will change.
 
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