Talk Photography and VPN's ???

[BADGER.BRAD]

Having just tried to use Two VPN's and about 40+ IP addresses I've come to the conclusion TP is starting to not like VPN's , It quotes each time your IP address is banned but could other anti track/ privacy settings be upsetting it ?

 

[Mr Bump]

why use a vpn to access TP?

 

[lindsay]

I'm not the best qualified to answer this, but largely the problem for us with vpn's is how much they are used by spammers and bots to try to access and hack TP. @Tori_T is very busy a lot of the time tweaking the spam filters and back-tracing dubious contacts, and frankly the site would be unsafe and probably dead if it were not for that effort

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

Unfortunately TP is now blocking me/my VPN's completely. I have had to connect using someone else's phone as a hot spot which is not great as this person does not live with me. I use a VPN for all traffic Paul along with many other anti track features, I just like my privacy and think no one else should have access to anything I do online just as I wouldn't expect my phone to be tapped by a commercial organization. As I only post photo's up these days on TP I'm going to have to find something else. I of course appreciate the issues mentioned by you Lindsey.

 

[JohnMcL7]

I'm not the best qualified to answer this, but largely the problem for us with vpn's is how much they are used by spammers and bots to try to access and hack TP. @Tori_T is very busy a lot of the time tweaking the spam filters and back-tracing dubious contacts, and frankly the site would be unsafe and probably dead if it were not for that effort

What you've said makes sense and I've seen similar problems elsewhere. Originally it was quite straightforward to identify malicious traffic because the IPs would originate in countries like Russia but I assume those generating the traffic have realised this so they've progressively moved to using legitimate VPN, cloud and TOR services so blocks need to be widespread to protect the systems.

 

[onomatopoeia]

why use a vpn to access TP?

Possibly they are afraid the admins will come round their house and steal their data, because privacy.

Quite happy for TP to block VPNs if it makes the site safer. It doesn't block mine, but that's because I control the endpoint (the only circumstance in which I will trust a VPN) which I am sure BADGER.BRAD doesn't for theirs, so their privacy is not protected from a bunch of unaccountable randoms running a VPN server.

 

[Nod]

IF Big Brother wants to see what you're up to, it will!

 

[Mr Bump]

Unfortunately TP is now blocking me/my VPN's completely. I have had to connect using someone else's phone as a hot spot which is not great as this person does not live with me. I use a VPN for all traffic Paul along with many other anti track features, I just like my privacy and think no one else should have access to anything I do online just as I wouldn't expect my phone to be tapped by a commercial organization. As I only post photo's up these days on TP I'm going to have to find something else. I of course appreciate the issues mentioned by you Lindsey.

you know i used to be like you/that as someone who has spent there entire career in IT (now retired) i kind of evolved into that person, constantly opting out of everything that i thought was spying/collecting data etc until one day about 4 years ago i just had a bit of an epiphany , and that was kinda many of the things that i was opting out of could be a big bonus to me, i even refused to have any loyalty cards as i didnt want my shopping habits to be tracked and now i have a folder full of those apps on my smart phone because they save me money and i get points for free because i just buy the same stuff so its free money. i even like my coop card i buy some nice bread or some crisps and next week i have an offer in my app for 20p off my nice bread etc. or i go to tesco express which is a 400m walk from my house for a clubcard deal of 3xof my fave ciders for £6 which is the same price as lidl but the tescos ones are in there fridge so they can go in my fridge and be ready for consuming good to go.

i also recently changed my old ntlworld email address and moved to gmail as i wanted to be "more portable" and not tied to my old ISP provider. i have a house in Greece and the UK and soon to have a house in Gran Canaria so its great to just have so much tech that just supports you on the go, but that aside i also embraced the google eco system of cached complex passwords and remembering my search history so when my wife says where was that lovely bar that had that great mojito i can just spin up map history and say "its there, lets get our sandals on" there is also the amazing way you buy a new phone and just enter your details and voila the phone rebuilds all your apps, loads your email all from there cloud, for me just moving towards and embracing it all has given me way more time in my life and the superb options i get , i also quite like the fact i look at headphones and i get headphone adverts, its a lot better than when i was desperately trying to opt out getting tampon adverts despite being a fat hairy bloke or cat food adverts and i hate cats with a passion.

anyhoo thats my personal story on this matter

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

Possibly they are afraid the admins will come round their house and steal their data, because privacy.

Have you missed something of of this comment as it makes no sense ?

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

IF Big Brother wants to see what you're up to, it will!

I'm quite happy with big brother ( if big brother is the Government) seeing what I'm up to but just don't understand why cooperate enterprises are allowed to sell my data and yet the farce of data protection is still pedaled. It just shows how much your personnel data is worth when big cooperate stores offer you such a discount if you let them have your data ( or is it that they are prepared to rip you off if you don't ! which is quite near to bullying in my view ) That said I know I'm very weird/alternative in my way of thinking,for instance I don't understand advertising as I would never decide to buy something just because it was advertised but clearly a lots of people would as it's method used, I don't like sports or understand being competitive at all, I have no interest in what other people are doing or telling people what I'm doing but clearly people do as proven by the amount of people I see out together but more engaged in what happening on their phone somewhere far away rather than the real person/persons in front of them ( or maybe killing people in an accident as they are so compelled to look). I have no interest in the latest tech or following any sort of trends, just a few ways I know I'm different.

PS My IP address doesn't seem to be banned today although it's one of the ones I used the other day( You probably gathered that)

 

[sirch]

Out of interest what bad things happen to the rest of us that you are saving yourself from?

 

[sirch]

just don't understand why cooperate enterprises are allowed to sell my data

So are you prepared to pay for the online services, like this one, that you use? It costs real money to run a website and you just want it for free?

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

So are you prepared to pay for the online services, like this one, that you use? It costs real money to run a website and you just want it for free?

I have no problem paying for such things and regularly donate to the few forums I use ! Any way I'm bowing out of this thread now as a few people seem to be getting a little upset that I have different ideas/views !

 

[Mr Bump]

I have no problem paying for such things and regularly donate to the few forums I use ! Any way I'm bowing out of this thread now as a few people seem to be getting a little upset that I have different ideas/views !

I don't think people are getting upset at you.
I think its more you come across as being anti establishment in quite an angry way
yet on one side saying you use and embrace certain features?
do you use google for the search engine for instance?
the reality is that that only exists and works because it scraped data from all over the web etc
if everybody just did what you seem to think is the right thing we would have a blank empty web void

I think you just need to have a hard think about is this the way you want to go on in life, spending time and resources for the next ?? years
as i said in my above i used to be just like you until i realised how much this just becomes all consuming.

you seem very angry at what essentially is just modern life
i get what you are saying about mobile phone use tho
my wife and i often say adverts are garbage and when we see couples out at a bar or in a social setting just on there phones in silence
well that just up to them, let them get on with it, as long as everyone is happy, let them be, and then there is the new modern thing with very young children
just put a phone or tablet in front of them playing peppa pig while parents drink in bars etc.

its all just progress, stop or go or flow?
its your call

 

[sirch]

I have no problem paying for such things and regularly donate to the few forums I use ! Any way I'm bowing out of this thread now as a few people seem to be getting a little upset that I have different ideas/views !

Personally I'm not upset but curious really about how you think the world works.

We are not going to change TP to suit your extreme requirements. We are all volunteers, we do this in our spare time and a chunk of that spare time is spent dealing with spammers, as has been said a lot of that spam comes from a few VPNs. We need easy to manage and effective solutions and blocking some VPNs is one of them.

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

I think its more you come across as being anti establishment in quite an angry way

Unfortunately and not by choice I work as one of my many jobs within the establishment and see the double dealing bribery and use of public funds for personel gain and jollies and it does makes me angry, not just as what is happening but also the fact that I take money from that very corrupt self feeding system.

do you use google for the search engine for instance?

I stay as far from Google as I can !

you seem very angry at what essentially is just modern life

Yes you are right , because of the above. Goverment claims criminals are bad people whist being totally criminal them selves, after all getting 20% of the vote for our latest goverment is in power , look at the satistics and it shows they are in power although 80 % didn't vote for them ( I am one of the percentage that didn't vote and never have)

We are not going to change TP to suit your extreme requirements

I would never expect you to, your site your rules but is using a VPN an extreme requirement ? Or just something a lot of people use ?

 

[Mr Bump]

@BADGER.BRAD sorry mate but i just think maybe you need to be somewhere else
you are just way to weird for this jungle. happy travels

 

[lindsay]

I find this discussion making me feel very sad for Badger.Brad (although he is not at all inviting a response, sympathetic or otherwise, and fair enough).
I've spent quite a few years working in government or providing services under contract to it, and sometime in close proximity to the politicians, and it saddened me at the time and I resented how my taxes were being misused or wasted; I compensated my disappointment with the thought that I was receiving in pay more than I was giving them to mis-spend. However I am well aware that that is/was a selfish attitude. Sadly modern life for most of us demands a selfish, self-centred approach - culturally probably very much the result of the 1980s conservative government policies.
I do however have a difficulty with the idea that one can complain about representation when one doesn't participate in democratic activity - voting. Also, criminality is about breaking the law, irrespective of morality, so in the aspect mentioned regarding representation, it isn't criminal that 80% did not vote for the winners of the election; just an unfortunate aspect of the flawed electoral system that we have. And if only 60 odd % of the population bother to vote, it's inevitable that the majority feel "not my government". Voting should be mandatory.

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

Sadly modern life for most of us demands a selfish, self-centred approach - culturally probably very much the result of the 1980s conservative government policies.

Hello lindsey we have had a few discussions in the past the above comment I would give 100% to, I have always tried to be ( due to my up bringing) the type of person that would not do anything that would affect anyone else's well being just to benefit my own,and to help others where I could rather than the very modern up yours I'm all right Jack atitude

I do however have a difficulty with the idea that one can complain about representation when one doesn't participate in democratic activity

I can understand your logic but don't see I have a real choice, either choice A a bunch of scum/criminals or choice B another butch of scum/criminals

 

[lindsay]

I think the vote/don't vote and choices available is a different thread, tempting as it is to go down that rabbit-hole! However I do get your point. I used to think that if you felt strongly enough and also felt the political choices available were untenable, then you should consider standing as an Independent - it has worked for some, but depends on having support and money for a deposit, which is £500, that you are willing to lose. However if you don't have an alternative agenda/set of policies, I can see the difficulty. I tend to favour the deliberately spoiled vote in this scenario.

 

[sirch]

I can understand your logic but don't see I have a real choice, either choice A a bunch of scum/criminals or choice B another butch of scum/criminals

Under capitalism man exploits man
Under communism its the other way around

Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

 

[BADGER.BRAD]

I'm sorry this thread almost turned nasty and I'm not sure how it started to go that way, My original question was is TP not liking the VPN connection or is it likely other privacy software that I'm using that was causing my connection problem. This was in no way an attack on TP which is a great forum with great people.

Love Peace and Anarchy ( delete or add as you see fit )