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Need to make a decision on one of these things. Before I push the button, anyone know of something better that doesn't require a second mortgage?

Heaviest it will carry is a 1m Octabox + grid + strobe. It appears to be up to the job. There are optional casters which I think I'll get, too.

I like that it can be used as a standard light stand when a boom isn't needed.

Manfrotto 420B Combi Boom Stand with Sandbag
http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-manfrotto-mn420b-combi-boom-stand-with-sandbag-black/p1018877
 
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You haven't looked at our one then...
 
Garry Edwards said:
You haven't looked at our one then...
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Yes, I did see it. Thanks. I would look at other brands than Manfrotto, but I am swayed by the good experience I have with Manfrotto already - love my tripod. I noticed Lencarta have a more professional one, but that's getting a bit pricey at £220. The Manfrotto model I linked will carry up to 9kg, a lot more than I will ever need, but it's always good to be on the safe side.

I just noticed the Lencarta £99 model only rises to 1.8m, too. Maybe it's the photo, but it just looks more flimsy than the Manfrotto to me.

No offence meant :)
 
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aTog said:
Yes, I did see it. Thanks. I would look at other brands than Manfrotto, but I am swayed by the good experience I have with Manfrotto already - love my tripod. I noticed Lencarta have a more professional one, but that's getting a bit pricey at £220. The Manfrotto model I linked will carry up to 9kg, a lot more than I will ever need, but it's always good to be on the safe side.

I just noticed the Lencarta £99 model only rises to 1.8m, too. Maybe it's the photo, but it just looks more flimsy than the Manfrotto to me.

No offence meant :)
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If you read that as 1.8m in total height, you might not really understand the specs you're reading...
 
aTog said:
Yes, I did see it. Thanks. I would look at other brands than Manfrotto, but I am swayed by the good experience I have with Manfrotto already - love my tripod. I noticed Lencarta have a more professional one, but that's getting a bit pricey at £220. The Manfrotto model I linked will carry up to 9kg, a lot more than I will ever need, but it's always good to be on the safe side.

I just noticed the Lencarta £99 model only rises to 1.8m, too. Maybe it's the photo, but it just looks more flimsy than the Manfrotto to me.

No offence meant :)
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We've just been measuring and weighting everything. 180cm is the max height with the legs properly spread out, measured to the crossbar. Some other people may express measurements in different ways, but that's the way that I do it because I hate descriptions/specs that can mislead people.
Realistically, you're not likely to need anything higher than that - or at least I don't, please bear in mind that the actual boom part measures 220cm - assuming that it's positioned centrally, the tilt allows up to another metre of height, at the expense of reach, but reach can be adjusted of course.

I wouldn't describe it as flimsy, it's made of steel not alluminimum and will carry far more weight than the Manfrotto one, which according to the listing is only safe with up to 2kg - in other words a hotshoe flashgun fitted with a small softbox, although of course it will be fine with heavier weights at less extension.

Your money, your choice of course.
 
Ive had the lencarta 99 quid boom - had a smartflash and a 120cm octa on it with a counterweight. Worked well for me!
 
Sir SR said:
Ive had the lencarta 99 quid boom - had a smartflash and a 120cm octa on it with a counterweight. Worked well for me!
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I have a very similar one*, and have had a Godox head** and 120cm Octa on mine too, and it'll go much higher than I'd need for portraiture.

* Sorry Garry
** Sorry Garry
 
aTog said:
I just noticed the Lencarta £99 model only rises to 1.8m, too. Maybe it's the photo, but it just looks more flimsy than the Manfrotto to me.
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It's not, while the Manfrotto looks nicer as a combination stand you do make sacrifices for the convenience and that's the difference as I see it, the Manfrotto is more compact and lightweight meaning easier to take somewhere while the Lencarta (or similar) is very cheap but should also support more weight.

There's plenty of good choices for booms, Kupo baby steel, Calumet super boom, Manfrotto 085 etc. You don't have to buy one with a stand at the same time or be stuck with the one they include.
 
mike weeks said:
How far out do you realistically want to boom a 1m octa and when you say strobe do you mean a studio flash or a flashgun?

ike
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I like the use of the boom for either lights or for a mic and it's mainly when used with a mic I'd like the distance. Studio flash. 400w d-Lite.
 
Garry Edwards said:
We've just been measuring and weighting everything. 180cm is the max height with the legs properly spread out, measured to the crossbar. Some other people may express measurements in different ways, but that's the way that I do it because I hate descriptions/specs that can mislead people.
Realistically, you're not likely to need anything higher than that - or at least I don't, please bear in mind that the actual boom part measures 220cm - assuming that it's positioned centrally, the tilt allows up to another metre of height, at the expense of reach, but reach can be adjusted of course.

I wouldn't describe it as flimsy, it's made of steel not alluminimum and will carry far more weight than the Manfrotto one, which according to the listing is only safe with up to 2kg - in other words a hotshoe flashgun fitted with a small softbox, although of course it will be fine with heavier weights at less extension.

Your money, your choice of course.
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The 2kg for the Manfrotto you quote is with maximum extension. The max safety load is 9kg - it's a bit further down the spec.

Is it possible to use the Lencarta without the boom? That wasn't clear on the specs.
 
simonbarker said:
It's not, while the Manfrotto looks nicer as a combination stand you do make sacrifices for the convenience and that's the difference as I see it, the Manfrotto is more compact and lightweight meaning easier to take somewhere while the Lencarta (or similar) is very cheap but should also support more weight.

There's plenty of good choices for booms, Kupo baby steel, Calumet super boom, Manfrotto 085 etc. You don't have to buy one with a stand at the same time or be stuck with the one they include.
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Thanks Simon, I did look at the Kupo, the Calumet and a few more. It seemed to make sense to me to buy it as a unit as I'll need another stand anyway and I'll know the optional casters will fit.
 
aTog said:
Please tell me where I'm going wrong?
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The 'stand' is quoted as 1.8m, the boom as Garry says is another 2.2m, with a decent separation from the stand you're looking at well over 3m effective height,.

Stick a 120 Octo on that and you'll need serious ceiling height.

My ceilings are close to 9ft, and with my Octobox the stand was about 1.4m high.
 
aTog said:
The 2kg for the Manfrotto you quote is with maximum extension. The max safety load is 9kg - it's a bit further down the spec.

Is it possible to use the Lencarta without the boom? That wasn't clear on the specs.
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The safe working load should be calculated at maximum extension, not at minimum extension. For it to have a SWL of 9kg it would obviously also need to have a 9kg counterweight. I've used the Lencarta one at something pretty close to maximum extension with an ElitePro 2 head on it and a 70cm beauty dish complete with honeycomb, that's a total of about 6.3kg.

No, you can't use the Lencarta boom arm without the boom on it, you can only do that with lighter weight stands that have a standard 16mm spigot fitting. The Lencarta one is heavier duty and so has a much bigger (and different) fitting.
 
Garry Edwards said:
The safe working load should be calculated at maximum extension, not at minimum extension. For it to have a SWL of 9kg it would obviously also need to have a 9kg counterweight. I've used the Lencarta one at something pretty close to maximum extension with an ElitePro 2 head on it and a 70cm beauty dish complete with honeycomb, that's a total of about 6.3kg.
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To be fair to the Manfrotto it'll take more than its listed maximum safety load it's just not recommended and will bend. To be clear I'm not recommending that, the boom selected should be done based on the actual requirements.

Garry Edwards said:
No, you can't use the Lencarta boom arm without the boom on it, you can only do that with lighter weight stands that have a standard 16mm spigot fitting. The Lencarta one is heavier duty and so has a much bigger (and different) fitting.
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I've wondered about this, is this what they mean by cine stand or does that term cover a different use?
 
aTog said:
Thanks Simon, I did look at the Kupo, the Calumet and a few more. It seemed to make sense to me to buy it as a unit as I'll need another stand anyway and I'll know the optional casters will fit.
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Which makes sense but just remember the limitations of that combi boom, it's designed to handle light heads and modifiers.

If money and space weren't a consideration I'd highly recommend a wind up stand for the job, adjusting a fully loaded boom is not much fun.
 
aTog said:
I like the use of the boom for either lights or for a mic and it's mainly when used with a mic I'd like the distance. Studio flash. 400w d-Lite.
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Sorry but that is 2 totally different requirements, never heard of a 9KG mic

How far do you want to boom out the oe that actuallys weighs something i.e. the octa

Mike
 
simonbarker said:
To be fair to the Manfrotto it'll take more than its listed maximum safety load it's just not recommended and will bend. To be clear I'm not recommending that, the boom selected should be done based on the actual requirements.



I've wondered about this, is this what they mean by cine stand or does that term cover a different use?
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AFAIK the term "Cine stand" doesn't have a specific or technical meaning - in the past it's a term that has been used to describe a heavy duty light stand, nothing more, nothing less.
But, things have changed a lot, and there are now a lot of sellers who have no real knowledge of the products they sell - car accessories last month, photographic stuff this month and maybe something else next month, and they don't always get their descriptions right, and also many sellers tend to choose their descriptive words for SEO purposes, which can be confusing.
 
mike weeks said:
Sorry but that is 2 totally different requirements, never heard of a 9KG mic

How far do you want to boom out the oe that actuallys weighs something i.e. the octa

Mike
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Yes, two totally different requirements! :)
 
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