sorry newbie questions again! in prep for moto gp

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hey all :wave:

im off to silverstone for the moto gp and i've got myself a weekend ticket :D so you may see me wondering around im a 6ft big bloke with no hair and got a mate coming with me who's a small skinny ginger haired bloke, so we stick out like a sore thumb :lol: say hi if you see me :wave:

so i'm trying to figure out about "through the fence photography", i have read so many different blogs, help sites and read loads on here but im still unsure :bonk:
what is it that helps to "see through" a fence is it the lens size i.e i have a 70-300mm sony lens F4.5-5.6 which i can still see a bit of fence on my pics. would a 400mm lens see through clearly? some people say its the aperture that helps, so would a 300mm lens that goes as low as F2.8 see through clearly?
also if the aperture is what helps would you set the camera to aperture control or leave it on shutter priority and just increase the shutter speed i.e 1/500.

when i've look at lenses some say "macro" i've always thought that this means there lenses for close up like bugs and flys ect.. i'am i right? also some say "tele" lens, what does this mean? and i've also seen converters that supposedly double the zoom length are these any good?

hope some one can help :thumbs:
cheers bungle
 
Hey Bungle,

I'm also heading down, I've hired a 50 - 500mm (hoping this will arrive on time) to use as i was concerned my 300mm wouldn't be enough (2x Tele included on 50 -150mm), One of my contacts on flickr does really well in Motorsport photography and gave me this advice.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rynjim/9568276430/in/faves-dixon86/

This was more shooting over the fence which i will try.

I also stumbled on this thread which gave me some idea's too

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=387312

i usually shoot at the croft circuit behind the fence and rarely have to shoot through the fence as you can get pretty close as a spectator. When i did shoot through the fence i was finding placement and a longer zoom would just about do it. Worst case there was a small amount of cropping involved in the corner.

My concern is i wont be getting there until about lunch time on Friday and unsure how busy these spots will be

Good Luck mate
 
"I've hired a 50 - 500mm (hoping this will arrive on time) to use"

didn't know you could hire lenses? i don't think it will be to busy on friday, fingers croosed. i was bidding on 40mm sigma lens but lost out at the last min :(
 
bungle29 said:
"I've hired a 50 - 500mm (hoping this will arrive on time) to use"

didn't know you could hire lenses? i don't think it will be to busy on friday, fingers croosed. i was bidding on 40mm sigma lens but lost out at the last min :(
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This will be my first time hiring a lens but i know people who have done it and swear by it. I think it gives you a good chance to try before you buy if you intend on a purchase.

Here is the link to the one i have used, i'm paying £56 in total which is hire for fri, sat and sun and £10.95 they charge for shipping it. The lens should arrive Thursday (day before the hire) and i'm gona ship it off on Monday morning before i drive home.

http://www.lenspimp.com/

I think if you order by weds you can have it delivered in time for the GP if your going for the whole weekend

Cheers
 
hey just looked at the web site and the don't do lenses for sony cameras :(
also if you where shooting through a fence would you still have it shutter priority or aperture priority??
 
bungle29 said:
hey just looked at the web site and the don't do lenses for sony cameras :(
also if you where shooting through a fence would you still have it shutter priority or aperture priority??
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Sorry about that mate. There are a few out there just have to practice your google fu.

i would probably have it in shutter pri as i would want to bump up the shutter speed because your only really gona get stills through the fence so you want to make sure it is fast enough to avoid any blur..

on the other hand i intend to pan as much as i can because i like the motion blur, ive had a bit of practice at it and my results vary. i did however shoot these through the fence at and had to crop out a bit of wire but if you put the camera in the right place you will only lose a little sky etc if you don't manage to shoot through.

Shoot through the fence


Golf GTI by Bluesman1986, on Flickr


Well Cornered by Bluesman1986, on Flickr

Shot over the fence


Datsun 240z by Bluesman1986, on Flickr


#5 Robert Collard by Bluesman1986, on Flickr

i'm not sure aperture will play a big part when you shoot through the fence. if you are using fast shutter speeds then your aperture will compensate and you may find your shooting wide open (lowest F number). You will naturally get a good depth of field at higher apertures due to the almost infinite background if you like from the subject.

My preference for a still will be 1/400+ and apertures from f4 up to around f16
in order to get this i sometimes have to bump up the iso a little which is what i will do anyway when handheld to assist and avoiding camera shake... I've bought a monopod and never used it so no doubt i will have this...

Say hi if you see me mate im a short arse 5 6 with a rossi tattoo on my left leg with Simoncelli on the inside.. i will be with the mrs

Cheers
 
hi, really apriciate your time/knowlage in helping me, hope i get some good pics as this the event i've been waiting for all year :) and i'll keep an eye out for you.
thanks again.
 
Have a read of this, it explains about the differences in shutter speeds which will help you set up your camera.

http://behindthefence.co.uk/?p=37

Also have a look at read of this about the effects of using the wrong shutter speeds. Basically "how slow can you go" advice on panning should be ignored until you're confident of your abilities which will take a long time to achieve consistently

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=476283

And have a read of this about shooting through fences, although having a long lens is still very much an advantage.

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=475439
 
Never bothered with aperture, just think about shutter speed. My usual preference is to shoot the first round of shots at a fast speed (usually 1600) to ensure you get some good catalogue shots of all the bikes/riders then start with some more conventional pans, then try the fancy stuff later on.

Just shoot as much as you can, try out all the different settings.
 
cheers for that, i'm feeling more confident now :) bring on friday
 
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