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Its that time of the week again where normal people try their very best to have a safe and wonderful weekend........but unfortunately some of the population will end up in A&E with various injuries and pain including sore throats, cracked nail and possibly even a pot on the head......for others it will be a life or death situation......We all love the NHS and the wonderful job that everyone involved does but I can't help but wonder where it has all gone wrong.

Recently I had the experience of enjoying a good proportion of my day in a complex emergency care ward...... It was like watching 24 hours in A&E in real time and the poor staff were run ragged...but the bloody disgrace was that the number of wasters that took up vital bed space..... and the number of people tied up with each of these people...... The police brought a young lad in who had a couple of pints too many....he was immediately taken to a bed in case he fell over. The two cops stayed with him throughout even though no crime, apart from being drunk, had been committed....and his whole family ( who thought it was such a giggle that their son was such a centre of attention) was with him so definitely didn't need the cop sitting service. I spoke to one of the cops and he said they are required to stay with him because they brought him in...Did I mention that this was an emergency complex care ward.....Since when was being drunk a complex ailment?.....What a waste of resources but it does get worse......The old guy in the chair next to me was actually in the process of having a heart attack but they couldn't give him a bed as there was none available and it was deemed that he was treatable in the chair WTF.....


I spoke to one of the nurses and he was telling me that 87% of the people who attend A&E have no need to be there, a Pharmacist can advise and treat them over the counter..... he says there are times when there are more Police Officers and drunks than medical staff......not a bit of wonder the Police Service is overstretched....Maybe it is time to stop admitting drunks..... it would take the burden off the NHS.....The nurse also stated that most of the drunks will get a bed and sleep off the drink and get up and leave the next day, a cost of hundreds of pounds for some idiots who can't handle their drink or those are too damn stupid to visit/lazy to visit their local pharmacy for medical advice for minor injuries.....I know the solution I would love to implement.....they should be charged a fee for non urgent use of the Hospital but then you will have the do gooders who will scream victimisation of the minority who cause this problem. The whole principle of free Healthcare for all is an ideal solution for this country but not when it is abused by idiots and bureaucratic policing and medical laws.

Stay safe fellow TPers and remember that 10 minutes with a Pharmacist is as good as 7 hours in A&E......
 
Absolutely agree with charging people as you say, the strain on resources is large enough, without provided a "drunk tank", although perhaps local authorities should set up drunk tanks where people who over-indulge can be taken (and charged for the priviledge).
 
Russ77 said:
Absolutely agree with charging people as you say, the strain on resources is large enough, without provided a "drunk tank", although perhaps local authorities should set up drunk tanks where people who over-indulge can be taken (and charged for the priviledge).
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great idea!!!!!
 
Agree too, especially in the cases where drunkeness is the cause, so there no chance of someone claiming they had a serious condition, so they shouldn't pay the charge.

The drunks are one thing, just a product of having too many. The ones with minor non-emergency conditions are something else. Unfortunately it appears some people think they should get what they want, when they want it, so if they can't get an appointment with their GP (for something that might not have needed a doctor anyway), they go to A&E. There also seems to be a lack of proportion of response to events - when anything adverse, no matter how trivial, happens, it is a 'complete disaster' or 'totally horrendous'.

I also get annoyed when the media reports that x number of A&E departments are failing to meet their target for seeing people with the implicit suggestion that A&E staff aren't doing there job. There is an increasing population, the number of front line staff is insufficient, and the time wasters put an unreasonable strain of an already stretched service.

Dave

It is a pity the young lad in your account Mike could not be handed over to his family for them to cope with.
 
Tringa said:
Agree too, especially in the cases where drunkeness is the cause, so there no chance of someone claiming they had a serious condition, so they shouldn't pay the charge.

The drunks are one thing, just a product of having too many. The ones with minor non-emergency conditions are something else. Unfortunately it appears some people think they should get what they want, when they want it, so if they can't get an appointment with their GP (for something that might not have needed a doctor anyway), they go to A&E. There also seems to be a lack of proportion of response to events - when anything adverse, no matter how trivial, happens, it is a 'complete disaster' or 'totally horrendous'.

I also get annoyed when the media reports that x number of A&E departments are failing to meet their target for seeing people with the implicit suggestion that A&E staff aren't doing there job. There is an increasing population, the number of front line staff is insufficient, and the time wasters put an unreasonable strain of an already stretched service.

Dave

It is a pity the young lad in your account Mike could not be handed over to his family for them to cope with.
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I don't even think that the family had enough brain cells between them to be quite honest....
 
archangel said:
I don't even think that the family had enough brain cells between them to be quite honest....
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And probably find it quite amusing and a nice evening out, absolutely oblivious to the real impact of this little misadventure.
 
Russ77 said:
And probably find it quite amusing and a nice evening out, absolutely oblivious to the real impact of this little misadventure.
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It was like a day out for them....and what was worse the 2 cops feckin humored them
 
Had to take the mrs to A&E once after a night out, having been phoned by her friends to say they thought she'd had her drink spiked. Not a pleasant experience. Not helped by the fact that all her drunk mates insisted on coming too, they then proceeded to get lost round the hospital. Hospital staff wouldn't let her go home, they insisted that she stay there. After about an hour and a half of drunk singing they finally agreed that she was in fact just drunk and that I could take her away. By which time half the original mob had disappeared, so they got left there. I've never felt more humiliated, and that night is still a big part of why I don't drink to excess.
 
You should try living in Wales! (well I know Alan does, but everybody else)

Absolutely no doubt that free prescriptions are a great idea in principle and of huge benefit to those who are on long term medication or facing real financial hardship . . . but the impact on GP's waiting lists is horrendous.
It's nigh on impossible to get a doctor's appointment the same week here and a good chunk of the people clogging up the surgeries are there with minor complaints that you'd normally just treat yourself at home.

I know first hand of one person who actually brags that they've not spent a penny on paracetamol or headache tablets since the free prescriptions were introduced.
And a second person who was taking her daughter to the surgery to get a free prescription for Bonjela to assist with teething pain :banghead:

Personally, I think it's worth spending a few pound on things like that NOT to have to sit in a crowded waiting room with people coughing and spluttering all over you . . . but it seems that others think differently!
 
SarahLee said:
You should try living in Wales! (well I know Alan does, but everybody else)

Absolutely no doubt that free prescriptions are a great idea in principle and of huge benefit to those who are on long term medication or facing real financial hardship . . . but the impact on GP's waiting lists is horrendous.
It's nigh on impossible to get a doctor's appointment the same week here and a good chunk of the people clogging up the surgeries are there with minor complaints that you'd normally just treat yourself at home.

I know first hand of one person who actually brags that they've not spent a penny on paracetamol or headache tablets since the free prescriptions were introduced.
And a second person who was taking her daughter to the surgery to get a free prescription for Bonjela to assist with teething pain :banghead:

Personally, I think it's worth spending a few pound on things like that NOT to have to sit in a crowded waiting room with people coughing and spluttering all over you . . . but it seems that others think differently!
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Quoted or truth as they say on the interwebz.

We are unfortunate enough to have a similar landline number to the prescriptions number at our local GP, so many people must be going down there in a right state that they haven't got their prescription of whatever that they asked for in the message they left on my answering machine....

But yes, the amount of time wasting that goes on is unbelievable round here, especially with parents taking their precious little snot bags to A&E over absolutely nothing ... aww little Timmy feels sick, doctor didn't give me anything for it, better get off to Ysbyty Gwynedd...
 
restrict the alcohol and problem will largely go away. At least the drunks should end up footing all bill for the medical service - that would hopefully teach some of them.
 
SarahLee said:
You should try living in Wales! (well I know Alan does, but everybody else)

Absolutely no doubt that free prescriptions are a great idea in principle and of huge benefit to those who are on long term medication or facing real financial hardship . . . but the impact on GP's waiting lists is horrendous.
It's nigh on impossible to get a doctor's appointment the same week here and a good chunk of the people clogging up the surgeries are there with minor complaints that you'd normally just treat yourself at home.

I know first hand of one person who actually brags that they've not spent a penny on paracetamol or headache tablets since the free prescriptions were introduced.
And a second person who was taking her daughter to the surgery to get a free prescription for Bonjela to assist with teething pain :banghead:

Personally, I think it's worth spending a few pound on things like that NOT to have to sit in a crowded waiting room with people coughing and spluttering all over you . . . but it seems that others think differently!
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Like Wales, prescriptions are free in Northern Ireland....and the system is abused, my mother was telling me that it is a five week wait to see a doctor and three doctors have started using timers set for ten minutes for each appointment.......those who do not get an appointment usually end up going to A&E instead..........my sister is a paramedic and you should here the horror stories of stupid calls she gets.......
 
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