Should I upgrade my CPU from i7 4790k

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I always knew when I upgraded my cameras I might come up against speed issues So I’m shooting a D850 and D500, I’m running an i7 4790k, 32gb ram, SSD for OS and programs and 2 3tb hard drives for storage.

I’ve noticed lately the CPU sits on 100% when importing and creating 1:1 previews, and also exporting RAW’s as JPEG.

So the questions are…. Is there anything I can check in LR first? Or is it more just file size and limitations of my CPU?
If it’s the CPU would I see a benefit going from i7 4790k to i8 or i9?
 
First of all have you run a product called System Mechanic on your computer? I have the product and it is one of those products designed for those who know a little about computers. worth a look at first anyway. Bit more than the usual stuff you see advertised. I recommend it
https://www.iolosystem.com/offers/s...DeG4zXBkakOKsqd7bO9n_CztaWDvcJJwaAlg6EALw_wcB

Free trial version
https://www.iolo.com/landing/welcome/scu/aw4/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=scu-uk-s&utm_term=system mechanic free&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrdjnBRDXARIsAEcE5YleWdYjyx6WFNZ0YsO_Nk1qh566IViNDWTOdfe-M6NOeOvVxAgMehYaAm0CEALw_wcB
 
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realspeed said:
First of al have to run a product called System Mechanic on your computer? I have the product and it is one of those products designed for those who know a little about computers. worth a look at first anyway
https://www.iolosystem.com/offers/s...DeG4zXBkakOKsqd7bO9n_CztaWDvcJJwaAlg6EALw_wcB

Free trial version
https://www.iolo.com/landing/welcom...qh566IViNDWTOdfe-M6NOeOvVxAgMehYaAm0CEALw_wcB
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No I’ve never used or heard of this but I can sure give that a go first

Looking on line at bench test the i9 9900k is going to be 50% faster but it’s quite a chunk

What will this program highlight??
 
System Mechanic has far too much it can do to put on here, as i said it is not the usual rubbish one tries, I have used it for many years
Just a very small part of the program is memory recovery. The 16 gig of RAM shown below I have in my computer, and i regularly defrag it
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I have to say it does a whole lot more than most i have tried
Just another section of the program
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Loads more as well to work with
 
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realspeed said:
System Mechanic has far too much it can do to put on here
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Ok I’ll give it a go tonight! I’ve just had a look at some info on line about it! Not sure it’s the answer but it’s worth a try!

The reason I say that is I’ve not long just rebooted the system with a fresh install and it’s still sitting at 100% so I think it’s limitations rather than anything else but I’ll definitely try it also going to try overclocking as well
 
Your current CPU by my searching uses the LGA1150 socket but the new one you mentioned uses the slightly different LGA1151 socket so based on that AFAIK is not compatible.
 
Your i7 4790k looks to be the fastest skt 1150 Haswell chip they made.
The i9 9900k is a ninth gen Coffee Lake skt 1151 CPU; you'll need a new motherboard AND new memory for that upgrade.
 
Tori_T said:
Your i7 4790k looks to be the fastest skt 1150 Haswell chip they made.
The i9 9900k is a ninth gen Coffee Lake skt 1151 CPU; you'll need a new motherboard AND new memory for that upgrade.
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Thanks for the info looks like I’m stuck with what I’ve got for the time being hopefully this System Mechanic and Overclocking will help at least a little
 
Before anything else run task manager and see what process is actually using the bulk of the 100%.
What version of win 10 are you running?
What AV are you running?
On board or seperate graphics card?
Over the years I've seen system mechanic (and the other iolo crap) cause more problems than they've ever "cured".
 
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Cockney said:
Before anything else run task manager and see what process is actually using the bulk of the 100%.
What version of win 10 are you running?
What AV are you running?
Over the years I've seen system mechanic (and the other iolo crap) cause more problems than they've ever "cured".
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Lightroom is the culprit when doing the tasks I mentioned in the first post ..... importing and creating 1:1 previews and exporting RAW files as JPEG.
I’m not sure what version but it’s updated as often as needed
The only AV on the computer is windows defender
 
bbg404 said:
Lightroom is the culprit when doing the tasks I mentioned in the first post ..... importing and creating 1:1 previews and exporting RAW files as JPEG.
I’m not sure what version but it’s updated as often as needed
The only AV on the computer is windows defender
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Go to "system" click about. This will show what version your on.
It depends how you did your fresh install. If you did system reset you could be back on 1709. Run microsoft media creation tool to force upgrade to latest version as first step.
 
It sounds like you are at the natural mercy of light room with it being engineeree to use as many cores as possible for the above scenarios.
In tandem with the larger files from the cameras the result is the CPU maxing out.

As noted above if you were to go to another CPU you would have to go through the motions of getting a new motherboard and ram to compliment it.

At the his point you need to determine if the extra cost outweighs the reduction time you will see in the processing.

Bear in mind though that even a new CPU will max out all cores during said processes but obviously more cores at a greater speed is what will reduce the time it takes.


See the below page for info on how the number of cores affects Lightroom operations. This applies to LR6 but I'm sure the principle still allies to more recent versions.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Lightroom-CC-6-Multi-Core-Performance-649/
 
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Cockney said:
Go to "system" click about. This will show what version your on.
It depends how you did your fresh install. If you did system reset you could be back on 1709. Run microsoft media creation tool to force upgrade to latest version as first step.
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I’ll check this out tonight when I get sorted

stupar said:
It sounds like you are at the natural mercy of light room with it being engineeree to use as many cores as possible for the above scenarios.
In tandem with the larger files from the cameras the result is the CPU maxing out.

As noted above if you were to go to another CPU you would have to go through the motions of getting a new motherboard and ram to compliment it.

At the his point you need to determine if the extra cost outweighs the reduction time you will see in the processing.

Bear in mind though that even a new CPU will max out all cores during said processes but obviously more cores at a greater speed is what will reduce the time it takes.


See the below page for info on how the number of cores affects Lightroom operations. This applies to LR6 but I'm sure the principle still allies to more recent versions.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Lightroom-CC-6-Multi-Core-Performance-649/
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Sounds like it’s going to be quite a Chuck to upgrade so for the time being that’s out the window and at this point the speed doesn’t warrant that kind of expense

I think a system check and tweak (overclock) and a chance to my workflow (increase my patience) during the import export would be more cost effective
 
Cockney said:
Go to "system" click about. This will show what version your on.
It depends how you did your fresh install. If you did system reset you could be back on 1709. Run microsoft media creation tool to force upgrade to latest version as first step.
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Looks like I’m on version

10.0.17763

But on the windows sites there is a new version as of May so it’s downloading now
 
toohuge said:
Are you importing from your 3 tb drives ? If so - you’ve got a huge bottle neck if you’re moving d850 to and from a spinning disk.... upgrading your importing disks etc should speed things up.
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I am .... I copy all photos from a trip to the 3tb then import them to Lightroom do edits then export the edited jpegs back to the 3tb in a different folder
 
bbg404 said:
Looks like I’m on version

10.0.17763

But on the windows sites there is a new version as of May so it’s downloading now
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I have been reading mixed 'stories' of the rollout of the May 2019 release........................a) that is still Insiders only and b) that some public rollout via Windows Update has been going on. Therefore it is not 100% clear when the rollout will be "pushed" to all users???

PS FWIW it has not yet appeared on this desk ;)
 
OP - re-reading your original thread, your cpu should be at 100% when it's processing the images. It's likely that with smaller files, the cpu never ramped up to 100% before an image was rendered and then the processor drops back down, till the next image.

As the files are a lot larger, especially the D850 files, you should expect any processor to show 100% usage when exporting and building previews etc. as there is a lot of data to process. If you were to upgrade your processor - you'd still see the high CPU usage. I run dual 6 core xeons on my machine and regularly see 100% usage on exporting etc.

I do think that you have a bottle neck on your disk drives though - D850 raw files could be as large as 100 mb, I know my 810 files are large (circa. 80mb iirc) and spinning hdd speeds can have a real affect on performance especially when moving large files, you can do the maths in your head, however compare an ssd at circa. 500mb/s to a spinning hdd that could be approx 150mb/s and the differences really add up when moving large amounts of data.
 
Have you overclocked your cpu? If not that’s an easy win get it to all core 4.6-4.8ghz stable. You may need a better cooler but it’s free performance.

Lightroom is a funny beast and for the most part can’t effectively utilise more than four cores for most editing tasks but will use more on batch exports or any large batch jobs.

I have an eight core Ryzen 2700x cpu but it’s still a make a cup of tea job when you hit export and actually slower than my old intel four core for the run of the mill editing tasks.

Oh and yep get ssd’s!
 
bbg404 said:
Looks like I’m on version

10.0.17763

But on the windows sites there is a new version as of May so it’s downloading now
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Ive had no problems so far with it. (1903)
 
toohuge said:
OP - re-reading your original thread, your cpu should be at 100% when it's processing the images. It's likely that with smaller files, the cpu never ramped up to 100% before an image was rendered and then the processor drops back down, till the next image.

As the files are a lot larger, especially the D850 files, you should expect any processor to show 100% usage when exporting and building previews etc. as there is a lot of data to process. If you were to upgrade your processor - you'd still see the high CPU usage. I run dual 6 core xeons on my machine and regularly see 100% usage on exporting etc.

I do think that you have a bottle neck on your disk drives though - D850 raw files could be as large as 100 mb, I know my 810 files are large (circa. 80mb iirc) and spinning hdd speeds can have a real affect on performance especially when moving large files, you can do the maths in your head, however compare an ssd at circa. 500mb/s to a spinning hdd that could be approx 150mb/s and the differences really add up when moving large amounts of data.
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Thanks for that I just can’t remember it ever running at 100% clearly it was just maybe not for as long as it does now

Brazo said:
Have you overclocked your cpu? If not that’s an easy win get it to all core 4.6-4.8ghz stable. You may need a better cooler but it’s free performance.

Lightroom is a funny beast and for the most part can’t effectively utilise more than four cores for most editing tasks but will use more on batch exports or any large batch jobs.

I have an eight core Ryzen 2700x cpu but it’s still a make a cup of tea job when you hit export and actually slower than my old intel four core for the run of the mill editing tasks.

Oh and yep get ssd’s!
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I started to do it last night using the Microsoft Extreme Tuning Utility but just the basic option i need to look in to it properly cause in the basic there’s only 2 options to change
 
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