Shooting a football game today

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what setting do you recommend ?
Iv'e lost my way a bit with all the settings:shake:
 
I personaly would use AP/AV set to f2.8, f4 depending on your lens.

Then set my ISO so that I get a SS of 640/800th sec, or whatever SS you prefer using. Then when your SS speed falls you then change your ISO to get back to your prefered SS.

Some people will probably come on here and say you should be using manual, but this is MY preference.
 
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Watch where you sit in relation to the sun, beware of blown highlights caused by reflection on the faces/kit, enjoy the weather (you lucky sod! :lol:).
 
I use continuous AF.
 
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Come down to Southend Mark, we've got sunshine :)
 
I might well follow you up on that Martin - if I can steel myself to cross the border that is!! :lol:

The pesky protesters in London are calling this afternoon, which will make a change after a week with horses! :D
 
It's sunny up here in Edinburgh, but it's pretty windy
 
Covering the Hamilton - St Mirren game, conditions wet and cold.
I use back button for af
 
jambogaz said:
Getting a wee bit cloudy, will i change any setting?
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The only thing you will change is your ISO.

I usually start at around ISO 400 at 1000th SS (when sunny) and as the light drops off then I just put my ISO up to say 800 and when SS starts to drop below 640 then I up my ISO again till I can get 800.
 
My 70-200 is an f2.8 so that is what my AP will be set to. If I was using a f4 then that will be my setting and this will not change, because you want as much light as possible, especialy if it starts getting dark.

In the winter under floodlights I have struggled at F2.8, eventually at one match I was down to 250th sec and ISO at 6400, like trying to shoot the All Blacks down a coal mine.
 
scottthehat said:
what lens will you be using, try keep the shutter speed up around the 1000/sec mark.
as said f4 or higher max f10.
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f10 for football? sorry but thats very very poor advice..

f2.8 or f4 ... my personal prefernce is f4 and i drop to f2.8 when the lighting goes..

I would pretty much ignore all the advice above telling you what shutter speed you need.. without knowing the exact lighting conditions or the lens you are using its all guesswork.. no point sitting down to a game on guesswork..

use whatever aperture and iso you need to get a shutter speed that is a MINIMUM of your lens focul lenght plus crop.. then add a bit..

IF achieving this shutter your iso is as low as you want it to go and your aperture is as open as you want then keep upping the shutter speed until you get a perfect exposure

IF you are unable to achieve this wiht the iso and aperture set how you want then you must decide what you want to change in order to achieve it.. getting your aperture open wider to f2.8 say should be your first choice (unless you can change iso without effecting the picture ie too much noise) .. then upping the iso until you are able to at least achieve the shutter required...

the more shutter you can get the better.. but if shutter is getting silly high then no need to use too high an iso..

nobody can tell you what setting because we dont know enough about the light... all we can do is give you pointers.. starters.. you really need to know a bit beforehand and the rest will come trhough experience.. maybe even half an hrs exerience shooting the game :)

good luck with it but whatever you do.. dont go to f10 and dont try setting the shutter to 640 if its a clear blue sky or all other settings will be stupid :)
 
KIPAX said:
f10 for football? sorry but thats very very poor advice..

f2.8 or f4 ... my personal prefernce is f4 and i drop to f2.8 when the lighting goes..

I would pretty much ignore all the advice above telling you what shutter speed you need.. without knowing the exact lighting conditions or the lens you are using its all guesswork.. no point sitting down to a game on guesswork..

use whatever aperture and iso you need to get a shutter speed that is a MINIMUM of your lens focul lenght plus crop.. then add a bit..

IF achieving this shutter your iso is as low as you want it to go and your aperture is as open as you want then keep upping the shutter speed until you get a perfect exposure

IF you are unable to achieve this wiht the iso and aperture set how you want then you must decide what you want to change in order to achieve it.. getting your aperture open wider to f2.8 say should be your first choice (unless you can change iso without effecting the picture ie too much noise) .. then upping the iso until you are able to at least achieve the shutter required...

the more shutter you can get the better.. but if shutter is getting silly high then no need to use too high an iso..

nobody can tell you what setting because we dont know enough about the light... all we can do is give you pointers.. starters.. you really need to know a bit beforehand and the rest will come trhough experience.. maybe even half an hrs exerience shooting the game :)

good luck with it but whatever you do.. dont go to f10 and dont try setting the shutter to 640 if its a clear blue sky or all other settings will be stupid :)
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ah but you do it day in day out for someone trying it it helps with margain of error in focusing then as you inprove you can drop down to f4, f2.8.
 
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scottthehat said:
ah but you do it day in day out for someone trying startin it helps with margain of error in focusing then as you inprove you can drop down to f4 f2,8.
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Absolute rot. f/10 is ridiculous for sport.

Start as you mean to go on and use the proper settings from the beginning. It's by making mistakes and getting duff photos that you learn. Trying to max your depth of field just masks any problems.
 
But he has to start doing things the right way now. If he gets into the habit of doing it with such wide aperture settings now, as he is new to it then it'll only be harder for him to break from that habit when he wants to do it properly. If you want to learn to get the best shots of football it's better to start doing things properly from day one so that you aren't getting into bad habits.

Even at my very first match I shot at f2.8 because I knew that was how it needs to be done. Sure, I made some laughable mistakes due to this, but you learn best by making those mistakes, not giving yourself a wide safety net.

f4 is perfectly fine as a starting point, still shallow enough whilst offering a little more leeway.
 
scottthehat said:
ah but you do it day in day out for someone trying it it helps with margain of error in focusing then as you inprove you can drop down to f4, f2.8.
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Sorry but no.. I dont know how much sport you do but I ahve never heard anyone advising f10 for football.. I can see your line of thought :) but its just not viable at a football match.. like saying wear sandles in the mud and work up to wellies.. theres just no need :)
 
DemiLion said:
Absolute rot. f/10 is ridiculous for sport.

Start as you mean to go on and use the proper settings from the beginning. It's by making mistakes and getting duff photos that you learn. Trying to max your depth of field just masks any problems.
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im only giving advice as to what i have found when starting, if it aint right, no one has to follow it do they, you do it your way i will stick to mine. how about giving advice and not critisising others methods.
a sharp pictrure picture with added dof is better than a blurry one because you have missed focus, as said with practice comes perfection,
I wont comment anymore, so sorry to the op for my ridiculous and very poor advice info:coat:.
 
KIPAX said:
Sorry but no.. I dont know how much sport you do but I ahve never heard anyone advising f10 for football.. I can see your line of thought :) but its just not viable at a football match.. like saying wear sandles in the mud and work up to wellies.. theres just no need :)
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advice taken onboard as i dont shoot football and rugby like you do i will remember to only give the advice you recomend.
thanks tony.
 
scottthehat said:
ah but you do it day in day out for someone trying it it helps with margain of error in focusing then as you inprove you can drop down to f4, f2.8.
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F/10 Come on it was the 1st yesterday, ive seriously never heard such rubbish advice even to give a beginner
 
lets flip the coin.. why dont the pros throw the dummies out and leave you to tell people to shoot football at f10?

You gave bad advice.. I explained why in detail and now your crying about it :(
 
in your op i gave bad advice can football be shot at f10 yes it can, im not spitting my dummy out , im aloud my op,
as for crying most certainly not, im just stating a fact that i wont comment again so if thats a problem well tell someone how cares, i have got 4 girls under 6 that have more manors than some on here and are not as rude.
 
scottthehat said:
in your op i gave bad advice can football be shot at f10 yes it can, im not spitting my dummy out , im aloud my op,
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he was asking for advice not opinion.. thats a very important distinction..
 
Someone once said to me, 'you should always listen to advice, you shouldn't always take it'

Here is one example of that. If you want to get the best you from your pictures, take the advice of those who do it for a living, and give their advice to help you get the best results.

For Scott : Don't be ashamed of making a mistake, if you can get the results you want from the settings you use, that's great. Taking your ball home because the best advice was given, makes you act the age of your young girls.

Phil.
 
I would love to be able to shoot at f10 so when I miss the focus point its probably going to be in focus, I shot a kids game yesterday before the sun came out shutter was 1/400 iso 800 and f/2.8 My shutter was too low really but the 500D isnt too great above ISO800.
 
hi all, kipax im not saying my way is the right way and i did say i dont do it day in day out, unlike you and some other very top pros on here, and hence why i said i will leave it to the pros to give advice in the future,
and if i have caused offence to anyone on here, im very sorry, im still here to learn, so will not comment untill i feel i can,

reards scott
 
phil8139 said:
Someone once said to me, 'you should always listen to advice, you shouldn't always take it'

Here is one example of that. If you want to get the best you from your pictures, take the advice of those who do it for a living, and give their advice to help you get the best results.

For Scott : Don't be ashamed of making a mistake, if you can get the results you want from the settings you use, that's great. Taking your ball home because the best advice was given, makes you act the age of your young girls.

Phil.
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good advice phil, as for mistake phil maybe i have but it worked for me when i started.
heres some pics(not pro standard)all f10
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Wow that conservatory is nice and big and their roof may need some work in the first photo
 
Some good pics but I'd bet you anything that if you posted them in the critique section you would deffinetely get comments about the background being in focus and to shoot wide open instead.

Makes a whole world of difference to photos.. If I have any where the action is too close to the crowd in my rugby ones so that the crowds still in focus at 2.8 I don't use them (unless it's a try or something special)
 
Here's shots from my first ever match.

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I agree with the start as you mean to go on. I listened to the advice of the pro's and tried it, I still do to this day.

Spot the difference.
 
I am not chucking my dummy out and I have listened to what the pro's on here have told me via emails, PM's and the forums and a lot of it I have taken on board, thanks again guys.

I trust and have great respect the Pros on here, BUT, when I pass on the information/advice I have been given by these guys and am told that I am giving bad advice and then advising the poster to ignore it, I think why bother.

So the reason I said I would not give advice etc is because I dont want to give the wrong advice, so in future I will let the Pro's give the correct advice.

As a footnote, I would not advise someone to shoot football using f/10 as I know this is wrong.
 
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