Seems some are oblivious to CCTV Security Cameras

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It would seem some of us are oblivious to CCTV security cameras, these cameras seem to be everywhere, wherever we go. These security cameras capture our every move, but we continue to do stupid things, and get caught out. Politicians do stupid things ( well don't they always) , and this gets caught on CCTV. I was on a bus a little while ago, and there were youths throwing things at fellow passengers, and I am thinking, do these idiots not know what those things are, sticking out from the ceiling of the bus. They did get get caught on camera, but I do ( NOT know what the outcome was.) Edited thanks @Nod

Wherever I go, I assume there is a camera, and I am probably being recorded. Might be because youngsters were born into CCTV cameras already there, as opposed to us older folk seeing it come in, and see it as an addition to our lives.
 
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jonbeeza said:
They did get get caught on camera, but I do now know what the outcome was.
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What was the outcome? Guessing a slap on the wrist and a "Please don't do it again."
 
Just because it’s caught on cctv, it doesn’t guarantee that anything will happen. I sat on a jury for a case once where a bunch of Sri Lankan guys attacked a group of three friends at a tube station. One of the attackers had an axe with him, this wasn’t just a punch up, it looked premeditated. There were three separate lots of cctv footage but it was hard to make out the gang members’ faces. Even though you could 99% guarantee it was the same men from their clothing, the defendants all just denied it was them, apart from one guy. The others walked off without charge, the one guy who (maybe stupidly? ) admitted it was him in the footage got a jail sentence.
 
jonbeeza said:
It would seem some of us are oblivious to CCTV security cameras, these cameras seem to be everywhere, wherever we go. These security cameras capture our every move, but we continue to do stupid things, and get caught out. Politicians do stupid things ( well don't they always) , and this gets caught on CCTV. I was on a bus a little while ago, and there were youths throwing things at fellow passengers, and I am thinking, do these idiots not know what those things are, sticking out from the ceiling of the bus. They did get get caught on camera, but I do now know what the outcome was.

Wherever I go, I assume there is a camera, and I am probably being recorded. Might be because youngsters were born into CCTV cameras already there, as opposed to us older folk seeing it come in, and see it as an addition to our lives.
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Do you see this sort of surveillance as a positive development? I'm an 'older' man, and I'm damned if I do ...
 
Nod said:
What was the outcome? Guessing a slap on the wrist and a "Please don't do it again."
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Probably not a great deal, just making a nuisance of themselves really. But the thing is, I don't think some people realise those things sticking out of the ceiling, are cameras.
 
MartynK said:
Do you see this sort of surveillance as a positive development? I'm an 'older' man, and I'm damned if I do ...
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Trouble is, you can't pick your nose or scratch your backside, as it would be on CCTV camera at some point. Only joking of course, but yes it could be a positive thing, providing it is used correctly.
 
jonbeeza said:
Probably not a great deal, just making a nuisance of themselves really. But the thing is, I don't think some people realise those things sticking out of the ceiling, are cameras.
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I thought you said "I do now know what the outcome was".
 
Thanks for clearing up the confusion, we all make mistakes!!!
 
Having CCTV everywhere is entirely negative, but so is the kind of behaviour they are designed to counter. Which is the lesser of 2 evils?
 
MartynK said:
Do you see this sort of surveillance as a positive development?
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My son was growing up in the modern digital age, and he accepts all this tech as normal and a part of life,
I guess as he knows no different...
MartynK said:
I'm an 'older' man, and I'm damned if I do ...
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As someone who is roughly the same age / generation as you I also treat this type of thing with suspicion.
And I'm reminded of this ...

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ancient_mariner said:
Having CCTV everywhere is entirely negative, but so is the kind of behaviour they are designed to counter. Which is the lesser of 2 evils?
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Not sure that CCTV is entirely negative. I'm sure it has made a few people think twice about committing crimes/assaults. Likewise speeding cameras - at least down here they tend to be set up in black spots rather than as pure revenue raisers.
 
Cobra said:
As someone who is roughly the same age / generation as you I also treat this type of thing with suspicion.
And I'm reminded of this ...

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Or NASA billions v £200* cctv camera.



*No idea how much a bog standard cctv camera is but it's certainly nowhere near NASA levels of spending.
 
Marc said:
Or NASA billions v £200* cctv camera.
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True but then the images only have to travel a few yard to the "back room"
and not 33.9 million miles :D
 
I worked with security services for a while. Super high res cameras never really took off. Image storage is a big issue. Most cctv is evidentialy useless. Either due to low light/resolution or being time lapse (storage again) so not giving continuos coverage.
 
Cockney said:
I worked with security services for a while. Super high res cameras never really took off. Image storage is a big issue. Most cctv is evidentialy useless. Either due to low light/resolution or being time lapse (storage again) so not giving continuos coverage.
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That all sounds a bit hit and miss to me, so, If that's the case, I wonder why they even bother?
 
Cobra said:
If that's the case, I wonder why they even bother then?
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The main product we supplied gave investigators intelligence info. If they had a camera watching a drug dealers door they would recognise visitors. It may not stand up in court but confirmed who they were interested in , another piece in the jigsaw.
The PSNI used it to identify rioters, usually by their shoes which they always forgot about when changing clothes.
 
One thing I am glad off is the increased use of dashcams. I was watching a video on YouTube from one of the police forces showing a collection of videos that had resulted in convictions (complete with fines, points issued etc). The muppets would have got away with it if it wasn’t for dash cam owners submitting the footage.
 
Cockney said:
I worked with security services for a while. Super high res cameras never really took off. Image storage is a big issue. Most cctv is evidentialy useless. Either due to low light/resolution or being time lapse (storage again) so not giving continuos coverage.
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I can second this; As school IT manager I had to manage a network of approx 30 cctv cameras at school, it was very difficult to identify individual children all dressed in the same school uniform. It was just about possible inside the building but pretty hopeless outside. Lack of resolution was the biggest issue for us. It was evident before the system was commissioned that the cameras weren't up to the task but the 'powers that be' based their decision on cost not image quality.
 
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ancient_mariner said:
Having CCTV everywhere is entirely negative, but so is the kind of behaviour they are designed to counter. Which is the lesser of 2 evils?
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There is a camera along the canal path where I walk, and it is on a fence and it overlooks the canal path. Courting couples seem to be oblivious to it, you can see them kissing and as soon as you approach they stop. They continue kissing when passers by have passed, and possibly being watched by owners of the camera, but who knows.
 
Nod said:
Not sure that CCTV is entirely negative. I'm sure it has made a few people think twice about committing crimes/assaults. Likewise speeding cameras - at least down here they tend to be set up in black spots rather than as pure revenue raisers.
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But some youngsters don't seem to notice the cameras, some undesirables possibly the older more clued up person, will pull a hood up, before doing something.
 
Cockney said:
I worked with security services for a while. Super high res cameras never really took off. Image storage is a big issue. Most cctv is evidentialy useless. Either due to low light/resolution or being time lapse (storage again) so not giving continuos coverage.
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I think CCTV in transport, such as busses and trains do keep their video, I have seen on crime stoppers where they trawl months and possibly years of footage, to nail a suspect. Or look for a missing person.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
One thing I am glad off is the increased use of dashcams. I was watching a video on YouTube from one of the police forces showing a collection of videos that had resulted in convictions (complete with fines, points issued etc). The muppets would have got away with it if it wasn’t for dash cam owners submitting the footage.
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I keep meaning to get a dashcam, but I know nothing about them. I still keep reading up on them, I possibly will get one. Too many silly people on the road.
 
jonbeeza said:
I keep meaning to get a dashcam, but I know nothing about them. I still keep reading up on them, I possibly will get one. Too many silly people on the road.
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I have front and rear cameras on my motorbike. I submitted video to South Wales Police following an incident with one stupid driver. A few days later they confirmed they’d be taking action.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I have front and rear cameras on my motorbike. I submitted video to South Wales Police following an incident with one stupid driver. A few days later they confirmed they’d be taking action.
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Great stuff, I really should get one, the amount of idiots I encounter.
 
jonbeeza said:
I think CCTV in transport, such as busses and trains do keep their video, I have seen on crime stoppers where they trawl months and possibly years of footage, to nail a suspect. Or look for a missing person.
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Sorry, I didn't make it clear. They keep them as you say, but in some cases its the sheer volume of data thats the issue.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I have front and rear cameras on my motorbike. I submitted video to South Wales Police following an incident with one stupid driver. A few days later they confirmed they’d be taking action.
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I've been using a GoPro as a makeshift dashcom for ages. I must get a dedicated one.
 
jonbeeza said:
I keep meaning to get a dashcam, but I know nothing about them. I still keep reading up on them, I possibly will get one. Too many silly people on the road.
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It's not just the silly people.
Without a dash cam, the incident below would have just been the driver's word against the "victim" and the "witness".
 
Fuji Dave said:
Scumbags soon ran away when she pointed out her dashcam..lol
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It won't help.
The (obfuscated) reg is on camera, so the rider can be identified. I don't know for sure, but that might well be criminal damage, rather than a simple RTA.
 
Cockney said:
I've been using a GoPro as a makeshift dashcom for ages. I must get a dedicated one.
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I used to use an old mobile phone to record video while driving, but they tended to overheat and switch off.
 
jonbeeza said:
I used to use an old mobile phone to record video while driving, but they tended to overheat and switch off.
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The GoPro gets pretty warm, not actually shut itself off yet though.
Due to a firmware problem the loop over record function does not work properly. So when the card is full you have to format/delete.
 
Nod said:
Not sure that CCTV is entirely negative. I'm sure it has made a few people think twice about committing crimes/assaults. Likewise speeding cameras - at least down here they tend to be set up in black spots rather than as pure revenue raisers.
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As I say, the actions they are intended to catch are also negative. If people were not engaged in criminal activity then there would be no need for such cameras and society would be better for their absence.
 
Some CCTV isn't there to look for criminal activity. Plenty around that's there to look for traffic problems/flow rather than speed.
 
Cockney said:
The GoPro gets pretty warm, not actually shut itself off yet though.
Due to a firmware problem the loop over record function does not work properly. So when the card is full you have to format/delete.
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I was looking at the GoPro at one point, still looking at alternatives though.
 
ancient_mariner said:
As I say, the actions they are intended to catch are also negative. If people were not engaged in criminal activity then there would be no need for such cameras and society would be better for their absence.
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Nod said:
Some CCTV isn't there to look for criminal activity. Plenty around that's there to look for traffic problems/flow rather than speed.
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Although we would still have video footage of peoples walk and drive abouts, as these are for peoples interests also. They are getting very popular on YouTube, I must admit I do watch a few.
 
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Cockney said:
The GoPro gets pretty warm, not actually shut itself off yet though.
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My nextbase gets hot too, and that's a dedicated dashcam
 
Maybe when they bring out a good electric vehicle, with all the problems ironed out, they will integrate a proper video cam that captures all angles.
 
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