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Just been watching a film that showed a school in the 70s and a pupil got in trouble and it reminded me... I left school in 1969-1970 I went to a secondry modern.. Or what was called a senior school before that... If you got into trouble.. sliding down a banister or giving cheek to a teacher for example.. you got hit with a leather strap exactly like this one... how many times? until you cried was the normal procedure...

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One teacher had what we called a "cat of 9 tails" which wasn't.. but it was a strap with multiple layers....

If your really bad at school now you get sent on a special holiday to make you feel better...

Haaa the good old days eh ... :(
 
They should bring it back, kids would have more respect then. Enough of them gobbing off around here is bad enough. Couldn't handle being in a classroom with 30 of the little acne bandits
 
It's pants, teachers have no authority anymore and kids know it!
Even in infants or pre school teachers are not allowed to use the word 'naughty' it's ridiculous
 
Cg_Girl said:
It's pants, teachers have no authority anymore and kids know it!
Even in infants or pre school teachers are not allowed to use the word 'naughty' it's ridiculous
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My neice is a nursery nurse, and in their facility they are not allowed to say "No" to a child as part of discipline language. Ridiculous.

All of my education from 5 -17 took place in Catholic schools, run by the church and staffed by nuns / priests.
Caning was the discipline of choice (yes, right from age 5), clips around the ear were doled out regularly and one old nun could throw a blackboard rubber without looking where it was going and hit her selected target with unerring accuracy.
But you know what? There was very very little messing around in class, backchat etc.
The cost of misbehaving was swift and painful, and we knew it.
Corporal punishment was a deterrent to all but the arsiest of pupils, and those who were repeatedly disruptive were Expelled. End of.
Schools need the power of discipline returned to them IMO.
Mobiles should be surrendered on entering the classroom and given back after the lesson too.
 
I am old enough to have gone to school when teachers were still permitted to carry out violent acts on children. All it did was breed resentment. I certainly resented the one time I got whacked when I was seven. My terrible crime? I pointed out to the headmistress, in front of the whole class, that what she had just told us was wrong. That apparently was "talking back", because like her Pope she was infallible, and so merited whacks with a shoe of some kind.

It didn't make me behave better, it just made me more covert and more determined to undermine any absolute, unquestionable authority.

Schools should be places of learning, not of oppression. And yes, the threat of violence from the staff with no due process and no right of appeal does make it an oppressive regime.
 
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Had a whack from one of those a couple of times. Once for not knowing where we were in the book when it was my turn to read out and the second was when the teacher went out and everyone started messing around - all the boys got the strap, I can't remember what happened to the girls. Perhaps in this climate of dredging up old offences, I should be putting in a claim for assault and sexual discrimination :)
 
f1charlie said:
Had a whack from one of those a couple of times. Once for not knowing where we were in the book when it was my turn to read out and the second was when the teacher went out and everyone started messing around - all the boys got the strap, I can't remember what happened to the girls. Perhaps in this climate of dredging up old offences, I should be putting in a claim for assault and sexual discrimination :)
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And since at this point there is no physical evidence, you'd probably win! :lol:
 
Teachers at my school in Scotland during the 60s and early 70s used a two tongued strap known as the 'belt', although the older term 'tawse' was still around. Completely ineffective. Girls didn't receive corporal punishment, unless in extremis, and then only by the headmistress; most guys just saw it as a chance to show off, that you were 'hard enough' to take it without flinching.

My own kids went to single sex schools in SA. My daughter's school didn't use corporal punishment, and I don't think they ever thought there was the slightest need for it; my son's school used it liberally. His experience, shared by most of his friends in a rather macho culture, was that getting walloped was a 'battle honour' that earned you bragging rights.

As a father and now a grandfather, I agree that discipline is necessary, but I'm quite glad this particular form of it has gone. I had some fantastic teachers and none of them ever used it - they didn't have to - and the ones who were fond of it were despicable.
 
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I am old enough to have gone to school when teachers were still permitted to carry out violent acts on children. All it did was breed resentment. I certainly resented the one time I got whacked when I was seven. My terrible crime? I pointed out to the headmistress, in front of the whole class, that what she had just told us was wrong. That apparently was "talking back", because like her Pope she was infallible, and so merited whacks with a shoe of some kind.

It didn't make me behave better, it just made me more covert and more determined to undermine any absolute, unquestionable authority.

Schools should be places of learning, not of oppression. And yes, the threat of violence from the staff with no due process and no right of appeal does make it an oppressive regime.
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I got the ruler on my hands at around 7 or 8 for being naughty - that taught me not to do it again! I remember having respect with a little fear of teachers... its gone too much the other way now - with kids knowing they can do anything and the teachers are powerless. .
 
We used to get a ruler across the knuckles, in first class! [back then it was communion year, you were usually 7yrs old]

The schools today do my head in. We keep getting notes home telling us what our kids should bring in for lunch, and I mean in detail! No more jam sandwiches or little treat bars oh no.
 
That brings back memories.

Don't recall a strap but up to age 7 or 8 the cane was very much in use.
Normal procedure in assembly every morning was for those who had been late for school the previous day to be stood in a row on the stage, hands held out palms up. Mr Griffiths, the headmaster, would stroll down the line administering one whack of the cane on every palm as he passed. Nothing like a bit of humiliation in front of the whole school to go with your corporal punishment.
For more serious transgressions, you were called to his office in private where he had a big glass display case with all his canes lined up. Ranging from a really thin whip-like thing to one about an inch in diameter.
You were then politely asked to make a selection and choose the implement of your punishment for yourself.

Even aged 11, which would have been around 1986, our woodwork teacher had his own form of punishment.
If you misbehaved you'd get the choice of 'the 5 seconds' or the '60 minutes'.
60 minutes being sitting the lesson out in a corner on your own and writing lines. The 5 seconds was quite inventive really. He'd grab a little pinch of hair right in front of your ear and pull it upwards with increasing pressure while counting off 5 seconds on the big wall clock.

In fact, most of my teachers liked to add a bit of pyschological torment to the punishment by making you choose your own punishment in advance . . . it made you think about what you'd done though, and there was very little talking back or whinging about it. Was it the right thing to do?
I don't know. I kind of think some of them enjoyed it a little too much TBH.
 
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Ah yes the bad old days of discipline, respect for your elders and kids that actually did as they were told
in school !
It was terrible :(

As for "corporal punishment"
infant school, was a slap across the legs,
Junior school was the slipper
senior school was the cane.
I had each just once,
it was enough to make me not want to repeat my actions ;)


KIPAX said:
If your really bad at school now you get sent on a special holiday to make you feel better... Haaa the good old days eh ... :(
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That cartoon is so true. Often you hear parents badmouthing teachers (whether they deserve it or not) in front of their children. And then they wonder why the kids give the teachers no respect :banghead:
 
Spare the rod and spoil the child......simple

The rod BTW is not a big stick - it represents good old discipline in all forms.
 
Arh yes the good old days.

I went to a Catholic school run by the Christian Brothers, oh what a nice bunch they were.

However yes copral punishment was dished out to many of the kids and so much by one chap that he has just gone down for 9 years becuase he used to get off on it plus if a couple of others were still alive they too would be under investigation.
 
Knikki said:
Arh yes the good old days.

I went to a Catholic school run by the Christian Brothers, oh what a nice bunch they were.

However yes copral punishment was dished out to many of the kids and so much by one chap that he has just gone down for 9 years becuase he used to get off on it plus if a couple of others were still alive they too would be under investigation.
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If he hadn't got his jollies that way, he's have found another.
There will always be exceptions. Not all discipline is bad discipline and vice-versa.
 
Both my husband and I were teachers and both of us had our own 'Tawse'

Mine [ as a primary school teacher ] was very very rarely used , his, however, was in use at the beginning of each school year - as a method of ensuring that the pupils would actually remember that when he said/asked for something to be done , it was to be done. He found a salutary application of it at the beginning of the year to the first pupil who really tried to lead a bit of mob rule stopped that sort of behaviour in its tracks. The kids knew that 'sir' had a belt and would use it effectively when necessary. As a result it was rarely needed after the first 3 weeks of the year.
 
My first school had Nuns running it.. St Whalburgs in preston... Hence never liked nuns.. horrible little things that they are ...
 
I went to boarding school from aged 12 to 18, ending for me in 1975. The cane was the instrument of punishment by the housemasters, 'bend over and get 6 of the best' was common place. Prefects also used to dish out punishments with the cricket bat or tennis racket. You knew exactly where you stood and even the hardened naughty ones knew they had best toe the line.

It was quite a regimental existance, beds upturned daily and clothes turned out of lockers if not kept clean and tidy. Windows were to be kept open even in the middle of winter and a compulsory cross-country run three times a week at 5am.

Those were the days, and I enjoyed them tremendously (yes really!), but would I send my child to such a place now as a parent, probably not.
 
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