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I`m trying to seel my MKIIn at the mo and placed an add with EOS classifieds, and got this reply....



Good day,



I'm Micheal Jon by name. Am interested in the advert for sale. I wouldn't mind to set up an appointment for the viewing. Kindly give me your PRICE of selling and a PHONE NUMBER to ring you if its still for sale.



Looking forward to hear back from you.



Sincerely,
Mich J
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First appearances said scam, but I thought he wants to arrange a viewing so i`ll give him the benafit of the doubt, I do have someone else who is interested and so said that he had first call on the camera (only fair I thought), then I got this..........



Mark, Its nice hearing back from you. I would have love to come for the viewing but i can not make it at the moment due to the nature of my work.

We are really pleased with the price and present condition as stated by you.

Although, I had explained everything to my client who have interest in the 1dmk2n and he has agreed to send a Cheque for the payment.

I have also given him my own price, my commission and shipping charges would be included to your payment.

I offered you £1,400 out of my profit so that you can reserve the item for my client and consider it SOLD when other buyer contact you.

Kindly send your details as below.
1). Full Name that will appear on payment...?
2). Contact Address to send payment...?

Do not bother yourself about shipping, I have made arrangement with the shipping firm that will come to your place for the shipping.

The shipping firm will visit you as soon as the money is available inorder to complete the sale.

My client will send payment worth 4,987 GBP.

You will Deduct your offer 1,400 GBP ... Okay?

Balance Money is my Commission and Shipping Fees !

As soon as i recieve this details, i will ensure that you recieve the payment within 3days. I will also forward your address to the shipping firm so that they will contact you for the shipping immediately your bank clear the money into your account and their shipping fees would be paid to them.

I am in the United Kingdom. Looking forward to hear back from you.

Cheers.
mich j
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You can`t see it on here but he highlighted the fact that he was from the UK. Guess I shouldn`t have given him the benafit of the doubt after all.





Why do people try to do this :shake:




Anyone else had anything similar?
 
You could take the cheque and then let it clear for six working days and then the money is yours!
 
Mark its a scam you first thoughts are spot on , ask yourself would you buy something without looking at it No , why do these people try it on must think we all where born yesterday ?
 
Gary Wood said:
Mark its a scam you first thoughts are spot on , ask yourself would you buy something without looking at it No , why do these people try it on must think we all where born yesterday ?
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Unfortunately some people are and quite a few have fallen for this one.
 
One has to wonder if these scams get imported with the people who end up on these shores from countries where such scams are common place. The giveaway is the awkward use of english in their communications (or is that just a failing of UK schools?).
 
prob failing schools, and ignoring that fact, couldn't you buy a new one for that money?

if you fall for these, i would say your not thinking about it enough.
 
My client will send payment worth 4,987 GBP.

Why would his client pay nearly £5,000 for a second hand 1Dmkll. He could buy a 1DsMklll for that
 
Classic scam - I thought the scammers were supposed to be getting more inventive and original with their approach :D
 
JumboBeef said:
You could take the cheque and then let it clear for six working days and then the money is yours!
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You would receive a cheque, it would look quite convincing, and funds would clear into your account.

Then the other bank involve would realise its fraudulent and the money would magically disappear.

The scam is that hopefully the scammers would have the balance they wanted from you (and possibly a camera)



One of our customers fell for this regarding some valuable racing car wheels. When we received the cheque it didn't look quite right - the perforations were not fine enough and some of the lines didn't line up properly and it didn't feel like a cheque paper. On first glance it looked fine.
 
Yep. Run a mile.

Offer it to 419eater - the people on there will take great pleasure in baiting your scammer.

Cheers,
James
 
they want a name and address...why not send them the details of the fraud department at your local police station...I realise that they more then likely won't be able to do anything but it's worth a shot!
 
419 eater ftw ;)

This is a classic money forwarding scam, as said above.. they send you the money, it clears, you send the goods and the difference, then the cheque gets recalled and you're left with a hole in your account and no camera :help:

They do it because there's lots of money involved in it, these guys aren't the poor people in these countries... most genuine poor people don't have spare cash to go to internet cafes, they're too concerned with eating.

Sadly, people do fall for them, and it's not just those with so called lower standards of education.. I've seen victims who are lawyers, doctors etc etc, sometimes the lure of a reward is too much for people to ignore.

I do see the occasional scam letter that looks "almost" convincing.. but then I do get about 200 a day.
 
andrewc said:
You would receive a cheque, it would look quite convincing, and funds would clear into your account.

Then the other bank involve would realise its fraudulent and the money would magically disappear.
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...that's why I said let it clear for six working days. A cheque isn't cleared after three working days, as many people think.
 
6 days is only good if the cheque is legit, a forged or stolen cheque might not bounce for weeks or even months - depends on when the bank is was drawn on finds out that it's a wrongun.
 
Tell him your bank wants 28days for the cheque to clear and you like to provide your own delivery service.

Also Canon have just introduced a new rule when selling their flagship range of cameras, the new owner must provide a picture of themselves holding a sign that says 'TP Rocks' to go on canons owners registry, its like a car log book. :D:D:D
 
I was told by my bank (HSBC) that after six days, the cheque cannot be recalled.

This scam catches some people because:

I will also forward your address to the shipping firm so that they will contact you for the shipping immediately your bank clear the money into your account and their shipping fees would be paid to them.
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*Most* people would wait three days for the cheque to clear and then forward the money on, thinking the funds have cleared.

You see this all the time on eBay: "Cheques need to clear for three days before I send the goods". No, cheques are not cleared after three days.
 
JumboBeef said:
I was told by my bank (HSBC) that after six days, the cheque cannot be recalled.
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This is true if the cheque is legit and has been stopped by the person who wrote it. These rules don't apply when the cheque is forged, stolen, etc. It's the same as if you bought a stolen car in good faith, once it's discovered to be stolen you lose the car.
 
how owuld you fare taking the cheque to a cash converters thing? would it work the same with them?

i know it isnt the done thing and if it works, you are just passing the problem to someone else, but theoretically, how would that work?
 
thats ok

i was just wondering what processes they had in place to protect themselves from this.
i would assume it has cropped up quite regularily for them.
 
I believe they have up to six months to claw back a fraudulent cheque.
 
DON'T DO IT!

I've been in the same position myself when I sold my car in the AutoTrader. Thankfully I contacted the police otherwise I'd be out of pocket. I don't understand it fully but even after the cheque has cleared the funds will be taken back, and you will have sent them a nice big fat pay cheque. Nobody will turn up for your camera either.

Hope this helps.
 
To clear this up, the rules changed last year

After 6 working days days the money is in your account AND unless you are a knowing party to a fraud MAY NOT be reclaimed at all unless the account holder gives consent. This applies to UK cheques. If it is drawn on an overseas account then it's a different ball game.

This is known as "clearing for fate"

Offer a chaps transfer to seewhat happens this is guaranteed irrevocable.
See

http://www.apacs.org.uk/payment_options/documents/ChequestheFacts2007FINAL.pdf
 
Interesting, useful pdf too. Of course the cynic in me thinks the bank would claim anyone cashing a cheque used in such as scam would be a knowing party.

Do you know the rules on cheques from foreign banks and/or not written in sterling?
 
pxl8 said:
Do you know the rules on cheques from foreign banks and/or not written in sterling?
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From the pdf

There is no overseas cross-border cheque clearing system. Foreign cheques, therefore,
have to be sent abroad for payment to the bank on which they are drawn.This process
often takes several weeks and can be expensive as it is done on a cheque by cheque
basis.This process is called collection (as in“collection of funds”). If the cheque is in a
foreign currency, there will be a charge for converting it to sterling.By the time the
beneficiary bank has received payment from the overseas bank, the exchange rate may
have moved so the beneficiary customer may get less money than would have been the
case on the day the cheque was paid in.Some banks may provide value immediately
subject to recourse.This means that the beneficiary’s bank will reclaim the money from
the beneficiary if the cheque bounces and because there are no fixed timescales, this
might happen several weeks later.This service is known as negotiation.There is a fee for
both these services.
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I meant wrt to cheques that are fraudulent rather than the clearing process.
 
pxl8 said:
I meant wrt to cheques that are fraudulent rather than the clearing process.
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Sorry.

As far as I know (this is not gospel), there is no guarantee for quite some time with overseas cheques.

Most banks have their own policies and I suggest you talk to a business banker at your branch for a definitive answer, unless some else knows ?
 
shame u couldnt sell him a shell of a camera filled with sand :P
 
PsiFox said:
To clear this up, the rules changed last year

After 6 working days days the money is in your account AND unless you are a knowing party to a fraud MAY NOT be reclaimed at all unless the account holder gives consent. This applies to UK cheques. If it is drawn on an overseas account then it's a different ball game.
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So I was right then :razz: :lol:
 
Get them to send the money via Western Union:thinking::cuckoo:
 
Thanx for the input people, its just so frustrating.. your trying to sell a camera, get excited when you see someone enquiring about it........only to open the email and see this.



I hate these people :D
 
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