Save our Circuits

The government response to that e-petition is indeed correct.

If you were to change the law to add a "grandfather clause" then moving into a house with a nextdoor neighbour who liked to play death metal with the volume set to 11 would be able to avoid noise abatement rules simply by saying they had lived next door before you moved in and have always liked death metal. That would then have to go onto record as a complaint which would have to be disclosed when you sell the property, thereby probably making in unsalable.

Whilst I sympathise about circuits getting complaints and legal restrictions, you do have to think about the wider impact of changes to our legislation.
 
destanik - thats a really good arguement against but I would offer this view.

Whilst a Heavy Metal fan next door may not be obvious when you go to view a property, anyone in the right mind would not fail to notice a race track within 1/2 mile of their potential home?

The whole croft thing stinks to me and I'm amazed that the courts upheld the action and awards damages given the previous relationship of those involved. Still there's nowt as strange as folk and I sincerely hope that more circuits don't suffer. One of the few remaining things that this country is godo at is motorsport - please don't let that be taken away!!
 
How long would your list of exceptions to such a policy be though?

Motor racing? Airports? Factories? Concert venues? Pubs? Clubs? Dog kennels?

The list of noise making things could be quite long and laws have to be fairly clear cut and arguments clear as to why one thing makes an exception list and not others....

Taking written laws and trying to turn them into "common sense" is always a nightmare and remember of course these will be tested by the very agile minds of solicitors at every turn...
 
I wonder how long it will be before you can't have you hair cut to a number 2 because someone might think you're thuggish looking and complains, or you won't be able to wear blue jeans cos someone thinks they're dated and complains or even better you won't be able to be a moronic judge or Shamri soundalike because a good proportion of the population think your "bankers" (w replaced by a 'b').

When are people going to get along with other people and accept that some things are just what they do and aren't really that bad and some things are downright anti-social and distinguish between the difference. I guess when we've all killed each other.

Thankfully I won't be around then cos someone will have banned me and had me hung cos I like green.

FFS !!!!!
 
I wonder if the family who complained about Croft had actually tried to embrace it, maybe go along and watch some events possibly? I doubt, easier, and much more lucrative, to just whinge and tick about it.
 
i cant help thinking these e-petitions are a really bad thing in general
there are just so many of them, many of which are huge petitions about the stupidist things (not saying that applies to this one).
rather than helping everyone to have a say, i think they are making that 'say' meaningless.
 
ChrisMClark said:
I wonder if the family who complained about Croft had actually tried to embrace it, maybe go along and watch some events possibly? I doubt, easier, and much more lucrative, to just whinge and tick about it.
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The family involved were the ex wife and exin laws of the circuit owner, living (AFAIK) in a building intended to be a hotel, built by the circuit owner and his wife during there marriage. Go figure:thinking:

Desantik - good list to start with. I live within 2 miles of a clay pigeon club (as the crow flies) and yes it came up on our searches and yes they make noise on a sunday morning, but I made an informed decision when I made an offer on my house.
I think my suggestion stands - if it looks loud it probably will be! However I totally agree with you regarding common sense and the minds of agile lawyers. We're all doomed:bang:
 
badgerbaiter said:
i cant help thinking these e-petitions are a really bad thing in general
there are just so many of them, many of which are huge petitions about the stupidist things (not saying that applies to this one).
rather than helping everyone to have a say, i think they are making that 'say' meaningless.
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True..but the circuits and motorsport usually seem to be at the wrong end of the stick when it comes to stuff like this.

If you replace, for example, Croft circuit with an airport (which it used to be..well..airfield), would people/nimby's in question complain about jumbo jets taking off from 6am to midnight? I suspect they probably wouldnt, they probably wouldnt move there in the first place knowing about the noise. So why is it that when people move next to circuits they have the right to complain and win against the circuit? The circuits are doing their job, its their business, they're making a living, and boost the economy yada yada etc etc...
 
desantnik said:
The government response to that e-petition is indeed correct.

If you were to change the law to add a "grandfather clause" then moving into a house with a nextdoor neighbour who liked to play death metal with the volume set to 11 would be able to avoid noise abatement rules simply by saying they had lived next door before you moved in and have always liked death metal. That would then have to go onto record as a complaint which would have to be disclosed when you sell the property, thereby probably making in unsalable.

Whilst I sympathise about circuits getting complaints and legal restrictions, you do have to think about the wider impact of changes to our legislation.
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There is a difference between a death metal fan living next door and a venue that employs quite a few people and puts over £3m into the local economy. I do see the point you're making there, but surely common sense needs to be applied to the law.
 
years ago i went to santapod - and i was realy amazed just how quiet the cars were from the carpark - and just how %%%%%ing loud they were at the top of the acoustic wall that they have there - it does work there - it could work at other venues, and it provides a natural vantage point for spectators, and may alow tracks the option to run other events (at night) that they cannot run now due to noise problem.

it is just a suggestion.....:shrug:
 
RichardC27 said:
There is a difference between a death metal fan living next door and a venue that employs quite a few people and puts over £3m into the local economy. I do see the point you're making there, but surely common sense needs to be applied to the law.
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Common sense can't apply to written laws, that is just the point!!

What I mean by that is that in a few brief words it has to describe exactly what is allowed/disallowed and then you have to play with the wording to eliminate loopholes and ambiguity.

I'll say it again because nobody seems to be listening... there just is not a way to allow one type of noise and not another!
 
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