RX100m4 vs RX100m7 vs ?? as a pocket camera

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This is following on a bit from the digital camera comeback thread where a few people mentioned using RX100m7's as their pocket camera. I previously used an RX100m4 as a pocket camera however for some reason and I'd like to get back into it, I've toyed with the idea of a mk6 or mk7 version for the more flexible zoom but I've been concerned about losing over a stop of light at the wide end plus how useful 200mm is at f5.6 in the bright UK weather.

So I was wondering, for those who have upgraded from an RX100 with a smaller zoom range up to a mk6 or mk7 which have you preferred?

The other option I've been considering is a Sony ZV-E10 which is aimed at vlogging but it looks quite good as a pocket camera for me, it's a little smaller without the viewfinder, I'm only ever going to use it in full auto and importantly it can easily control a PZ lens with a zoom lever by the shutter release so I can easily shoot one handed. Looking at size comparisons though it looks as deep as the RX1R so it may be too big to fit in the jacket pocket I'm intending so I'm also interesting if anyone is using a small e-mount camera for their pocket.
 
I had the mk4 and it was a reasonable FL on it but always felt I needed more reach, upgraded to the mk6 and I tend to shoot more at the telephoto end so suits my needs better.
Mk6 had better AF as you would expect
At 200mm it’s 4.5 not 5.6
 
I had the same FL issue with 24-70 v 24-105 Sony lenses and prefer the 105
 
Went from a i to a vi and no regrets! The small sensor doesn't really lend itself to the shallow DoF look wide open anyway and (for me) the extra reach is much more useful. The easier-to-use VF is handy too but that might be the same on the iv as it is on the vi.
 
Take a good look at the Ricoh GRIII and GRIIIx.

I was doing the same as you, looking at getting another RX100 of some sort, and I’d never really taken the GR series very seriously. Mistake on my part. Now I have a GRIIIx HDF. It really is phenomenal.

You trade away the viewfinder and zoom, and in return you get one of the most intuitive cameras around, with a much larger sensor (APS-C), and great image quality.
 
Tobers said:
Take a good look at the Ricoh GRIII and GRIIIx.

I was doing the same as you, looking at getting another RX100 of some sort, and I’d never really taken the GR series very seriously. Mistake on my part. Now I have a GRIIIx HDF. It really is phenomenal.

You trade away the viewfinder and zoom, and in return you get one of the most intuitive cameras around, with a much larger sensor (APS-C), and great image quality.
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It's something I've given a lot of thought to but ruled out because I think a zoom will suit my needs, I previously used a GF3 with the 28mm equivalent lens before I bought the RX100 which I preferred and currently for compact use have the RX1R (35mm FF) and an Osmo Pocket 3 (20mm 1in). That's what has pushed me towards looking at an RX100 again to get a bit more flexibility so I think the GRIII is too limiting for my use and it's a bit expensive to take a gamble on.
 
I much prefer the focal range of the RX100 M7 over the M5 and M3. The M7 is more versatile because of the focal range increase, added to the better AF and other features. Imho, the M7 is really the ultimate compact camera, and will probably not be beaten :( unless the recent fad for compact cameras continues and grows.

The occasions where I could use an extra stop of light, at concerts for example, may not have been useful, as I would have been too far away with the shorter focal lengths of the other cameras. :rolleyes:
 
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Don't know why I don't use my RX100 VII more than I do as it's a brilliant take everywhere camera.
 
I’ve just sold a Mk 4 to MPB. I always thought the zoom wasn’t quite long enough. If I was buying again I’d go for a model with the longer reach.

On a different note, I can’t believe how much used RX100s have gone up in price. I bought the mk4 off here five years ago and just got more for it from MPB than I paid for it!
 
boogie man said:
I’ve just sold a Mk 4 to MPB. I always thought the zoom wasn’t quite long enough. If I was buying again I’d go for a model with the longer reach.

On a different note, I can’t believe how much used RX100s have gone up in price. I bought the mk4 off here five years ago and just got more for it from MPB than I paid for it!
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I think I bought the M7 at the almost perfect time used in late 2022, as used prices have gone up since then. :oops: :$

I bought the M3 here in 2017, and if I could be a***d, ;) I would probably get similar or more for it than what I paid for it then. :thinking:

I think prices will only go up, though may level off if the compact camera trend eases off. And Sony do not release any new RX100, which seems likely sadly. :(
 
I've toyed with buying the RX100 VII several times. I had a play with one at a Sony event and really liked it but have always talked myself out of it because of the image quality. However, if I bought one it would definitely be the VII, If I'm sacrificing IQ I'd want felxibility in return.
 
boogie man said:
I’ve just sold a Mk 4 to MPB. I always thought the zoom wasn’t quite long enough. If I was buying again I’d go for a model with the longer reach.

On a different note, I can’t believe how much used RX100s have gone up in price. I bought the mk4 off here five years ago and just got more for it from MPB than I paid for it!
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I was thinking the same and wasn't sure if I was remembering incorrectly. I'm sure I was looking at fairly cheap mk6's a while back when I initially had this idea while the mk7's were pricier but the mk6's and 7's both seem reasonably expensive.

@Tobers suggestion of the GRIII is sticking with me at the moment even though I discounted the prime and it's the opposite of a long reach RX100, when I was looking at them initially I thought they were too much at £900+ but thought I could maybe get one cheaper second hand on ebay. I've lost out by not much on a few around the £700 mark but it's difficult to tell if it's a camera I'm going to get a lot of use out of or not.
 
JohnMcL7 said:
I was thinking the same and wasn't sure if I was remembering incorrectly. I'm sure I was looking at fairly cheap mk6's a while back when I initially had this idea while the mk7's were pricier but the mk6's and 7's both seem reasonably expensive.

@Tobers suggestion of the GRIII is sticking with me at the moment even though I discounted the prime and it's the opposite of a long reach RX100, when I was looking at them initially I thought they were too much at £900+ but thought I could maybe get one cheaper second hand on ebay. I've lost out by not much on a few around the £700 mark but it's difficult to tell if it's a camera I'm going to get a lot of use out of or not.
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You can get the RX100 VII on 12 months interest free from amazon at the mo which makes it a bit of an easier pill to swallow but boy are they pricey. Hardly any cheaper grey either.
 
I got my vi (from the big river) soon after the vii had been released and the vi was a LOT cheaper than the vii. Didn't feel that the bells and whistles the extra £££ would have got me were worth it TO ME so went for the cheaper option (and am very happy with it!)
 
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I got my vi (from the big river) soon after the vii had been released and the vi was a LOT cheaper than the vii. Didn't feel that the bells and whistles the extra £££ would have got me were worth it TO ME so went for the cheaper option (and am very happy with it!)
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That's definitely how I remembered it and I came to the same conclusion that the VII wasn't worth the additional money however looking now they seem much the same price. I also noticed out of interest when browsing dpreview that their current top most popular camera (out of all, not just compact cameras) is the RX100VII so there must be some current interest in it for some reason.

After losing out on multiple Ricoh GRIII auctions I happened to come across the dpreview comparing travel cameras and while they praised the GRIII which is their choice for pocketable cameras, they did note that dust can be an issue with it. Normally I wouldn't think much of this but I noticed on just about every second hand GRIII for sale from camera shops they listed that there was dust in the camera, in some cases it's mentioned it's only cosmetic while on others it does affect the image when the lens is stopped down. I've had a read through Ricoh forums and the dust is mentioned quite a bit with opinions varying from it's going to happen to others claiming it's the same for any fixed lens camera. I did receive a second chance offer on one of the GRIII's I'd lost out on last night for £700 delivered which is a reasonable price however I'm going off the idea especially since the camera was released in 2018 so this one could be older.

Another similar camera that's come to my attention is the Fuji XF10 which is also a small 28mm F2.8 equivalent pocket camera. It was hammered on release for poor autofocus which didn't sound an issue until the reviewer mentioned it was missing focus on static objects in good daylight however comments on the review point out that Fuji substantially improved it in firmware updates and not an issue now. It doesn't have stabilisation which I'm not sure is too big a deal at 28mm plus it doesn't have an automatically retracting lens cap, on the plus side though the lens doesn't move in and out each time (which some claim is partially the reason for the GRIII sucking in dust) and it's a lot cheaper, there's a few for sale around the £500 mark.
I've not used a Fuji camera since the S7000 bridge camera in the mid 2000s but at the moment quite tempted by this one.
 
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