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If you were to go down the park and take photos of your local football match.

What are your rights as a photographer?

As you able to publish/sell these images?

Do you have to get every single players permission?

I know it is polite to ask parents and people who are around of their permission.

What if there is an under 18/16 playing? do you have to do anything special?


sorry if the info is already out there but search didnt turn much up.

Its all theoretical i understand your not going to sell an imagine of club football but i am trying to get a better understanding as rights of a photographer?

thanking you!
 
Hi. Not sure about 'rights' but I think you'd get more success if you were to contact the club and get their 'permission' to shoot and possibly sell images. I suspect that just turning up, taking pics, handing out cards is unlikely to result in anything worthwhile.
 
If it's a public park/sports ground and the images are for non-commercial use you're unlikely to face and "legal" problems, if they're for commercial use it can get a little more complicated and if it's private land you need permission to take photos.

As Carol said, always best to introduce yourself to the club(s) first, whatever the situation ;)
 
I have a meeting set up with one of the local clubs thisafternoon Im jotting down lots of questions i have.

They play in a ground though. I was just putting it out there on where photographers stand in regards to......

say you walk down the street, take a picture it happens to be amazing but has people in it that would be recognisable. its published in a paper in an article about your town.

what rights do the people in the picture/ the photographer have?

sorry i think my questions are too vague and im going to get shot down for not "finding out myself"
 
meatcandy89 said:
say you walk down the street, take a picture it happens to be amazing but has people in it that would be recognisable. its published in a paper in an article about your town.

what rights do the people in the picture have
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If its a public place, None.
 
meatcandy89 said:
I have a meeting set up with one of the local clubs thisafternoon Im jotting down lots of questions i have.

They play in a ground though. I was just putting it out there on where photographers stand in regards to......

say you walk down the street, take a picture it happens to be amazing but has people in it that would be recognisable. its published in a paper in an article about your town.

what rights do the people in the picture/ the photographer have?

sorry i think my questions are too vague and im going to get shot down for not "finding out myself"
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Thats editorial use so it would be fine.
 
Thanks for the help, been reading a lot on the internet to try and become better informed about these sorts of things.

The meeting went really well, they want me to become more of a club photographer than just allowing me to take pics, which is great. Suits me fine.

Only other hurdle is that she cant accept my CRB that was done 6 months ago and i have to get another CRB through the RFL.... boooo

So thats another few weeks before i can start covering all their games! At least because its going through the club i dont have to pay for it as the club is a voluntary organisation.

Sounds like a great opportunity as they are being covered nearly every week in the local Star with a picture!

Exiting times!
 
meatcandy89 said:
Sounds like a great opportunity as they are being covered nearly every week in the local Star with a picture!

Exiting times!
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Good news, start as you mean to go on though and charge papers for photos, if you dont now you will find it difficult to in the future as you will noly get a rep as someone who gives freebies.
 
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Good news, start as you mean to go on though and charge papers for photos, if you dont now you will find it difficult to in the future as you will noly get a rep as someone who gives freebies.
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I think i may struggle as i think they have been providing them free of charge previously.

How much should you be looking at for a confrence rugby shot?

Guess ill have to get in contact with the paper and see that materialises once i have some shots.
 
I hope they are going to cover the cost of your PI insurance. CRBs are completely unnecessary, but people cling to the idea and have no real understanding of what a risk assessment is. sigh.
 
meatcandy89 said:
I think i may struggle as i think they have been providing them free of charge previously.

How much should you be looking at for a confrence rugby shot?

Guess ill have to get in contact with the paper and see that materialises once i have some shots.
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My local rag will pay £15 for publication of local football shots. But they do not always publish due to space restraints, lack of cash etc. Contact the local paper sports editor and ask if they are willing to pay a modest fee for published photographs. You have nothing to lose.
 
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I think i may struggle as i think they have been providing them free of charge previously.
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Who is they, if they aren't you then the papers have no right to expect you to give them for free, set your standards higher than someone who just likes to see his name in the paper.

Also if you think you might struggle because someone else gave them away then imagine how much more difficult it will be for you to ask for payment in the future if you start by giving them away, im not sorry to have to tell you this but you would be better off not sending images in rather than giving them away

Create a website, point the papers sports editor to your work and let them decide if they want to pay for them, if your work is good enough (at this moment in time its not) to warrant asking for payment and the paper wants then bad enough they will pay

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Guess ill have to get in contact with the paper and see that materialises once i have some shots.
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Well that sort of nullifies your other questions, you aint even got a portfolio or anything ready, the photos ive seen are not of a good enough standard to even consider submitting for free let alone for any payment, youre trying to run before you can walk, take it from someone who has been there, done that and bought the t shirt, spend the rest of this season and the whole of next practising and improving your technique and understanding your craft and understanding the sport you choose to shoot.

Harsh maybe, brutal possibly, but honest and the best advice i or anyone else will offer you.

It really isnt about having the best equipment either, for the last 2 weeks ive been without my D3S and 400mm lens and have had to use a D700, 70-200mm with a 1.4x converter, at times i was shooting majority ISO 6400 and some at 8000 but still got coverage in the 2 RL trades including a heavily cropped image i sent in which was then even more heavily cropped by the papers but that was the whole front page Tabloid size, also got an excellent 7 photo montage in the Yorkshire Post or Evening Post (cant remember)

And this weekend im covering what i mentioned in another thread with the same "lesser gear"
 
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What a potential minefield this is. I come at it from a slightly different angle (moving image) where everything is supposed to be 'cleared' in order that the filmmaker has legal ownership of the material - what he/she chooses to do with it beyond that (commercially or otherwise) is up to them.
I did, however, come across the following that is geared towards stills photography - hope it helps;
http://www.urban75.org/photos/photographers-rights-street-shooting.html[/URL]
Cheers,
 
Thanks tiffer, thanks gary.

Andy your advice as always is great, id rather ur honest than give me some namby pamby dumbed down crap.

"they" is their "website guy" who does the pics atm. I am trying to run before i can walk, but im just eager to get somewhere, feel a bit fustrated atm cause i cant even shoot a game yet!

booked tomorrow off because i thought i'd get the ok but now i gotta wait on a poxy CRB from the RFL.

I guess there isnt any particular rush. hmmph

on another point, you think a 1.4 converter is worth investing in as i have a 70-200? is the advantage of zoom worth the loss of the f stop?

thanks again for responses.

T
 
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What a potential minefield this is. I come at it from a slightly different angle (moving image) where everything is supposed to be 'cleared' in order that the filmmaker has legal ownership of the material - what he/she chooses to do with it beyond that (commercially or otherwise) is up to them.
I did, however, come across the following that is geared towards stills photography - hope it helps;
http://www.urban75.org/photos/photographers-rights-street-shooting.html[/URL]
Cheers,
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brilliant, probably cleared up 99% of my questions on this topic!! <3
 
Who's Andy?
 
meatcandy89 said:
on another point, you think a 1.4 converter is worth investing in as i have a 70-200? is the advantage of zoom worth the loss of the f stop?
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Yes mate, with my main gear being in dock so to speak im using one on my D700 and 70-200mm for the extra reach and at this time of year with light as it is losing a single stop really isnt an issue.
 
If "they" are the paper that will want them free, don't go there. I guarantee they won't print your 21st birthday ad if you had no money. Steer clear. If "they" are the club that want free images for website, can't see much wrong on the promise they promote you to the parents and entitled to use them as an ad, ie small watermark. Club get images, you hopefully get sales. Don't give 1 parent even 1 free pic, word gets around. Defo don't supply papers foc.
 
If "they" are the paper that will want them free, don't go there. I guarantee they won't print your 21st birthday ad if you had no money. Steer clear. If "they" are the club that want free images for website, can't see much wrong on the promise they promote you to the parents and entitled to use them as an ad, ie small watermark. Club get images, you hopefully get sales. Don't give 1 parent even 1 free pic, word gets around. Defo don't supply papers foc.
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This seems like a good bit of advice :)
Ill have to have a sit down with them from the club once the CRB comes back to explain they can use them images with a watermark. If they want to carry on sending their pics to papers for free thats upto them.

I have no urge to see my name in the paper really, unless i can say i got paid for it :) It also makes it harder for everyone else i guess, if everyone gave for free the papers would never have the need to pay!

As you already said gary, im 10 steps too far here but i tend to over analyse things and the more you know hopefully the less mistakes you will end up making! Like i would have just given the club the photographs and they would have been in the paper for free.

Thanks for all the advice guys. ill get back in my hole now :P
 
If "they" are the paper that will want them free, don't go there. I guarantee they won't print your 21st birthday ad if you had no money. Steer clear. If "they" are the club that want free images for website, can't see much wrong on the promise they promote you to the parents and entitled to use them as an ad, ie small watermark. Club get images, you hopefully get sales. Don't give 1 parent even 1 free pic, word gets around. Defo don't supply papers foc.
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This seems like a good bit of advice :)
Ill have to have a sit down with them from the club once the CRB comes back to explain they can use them images with a watermark only for their website. If they want to carry on sending their own pics to papers for free thats upto them.

I have no urge to see my name in the paper really, unless i can say i got paid for it :) It also makes it harder for everyone else i guess, if everyone gave for free the papers would never have the need to pay!

As you already said gary, im 10 steps too far here but i tend to over analyse things and the more you know hopefully the less mistakes you will end up making! Like i would have just given the club the photographs and they would have been in the paper for free.

Thanks for all the advice guys. ill get back in my hole now :P
 
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