Raw vs jpeg?

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Hi was wondering what the benefits of shooting raw over jpeg are? I'm really new to photography and been playing with my camera and took some pics in jpeg and some in raw the only difference I can notice is that I can't send raw files to my phone. So was wondering what would be the benefits of shooting in raw? Do you have to have a program to use them? Just seems a lot of grief is it really worth it?
 
Raw files contain as much image information as can be produced by the camera. A jpg contains a processed sub-set of that information. If you wanted to edit your images, raw is a better starting point. if you're not too fussed, stick with jpg.

Normally a camera comes with an app to process that camera's raws with. it's about taking control, in order to maximise the result.

Unless you've got a special requirement (eg tons of burst shooting, or you want instant results), I can't see the point in having a dslr (if that's what you have) & just shooting jpg all the time.
 
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Plenty of discussions here about this over the years.... RAW can be considered a 'Digital Negative' from which you can 'print/edit' without affecting the original. RAW is native to your camera and will contain more information than a JPG ever will... simply because JPG files are 8 bits whereas RAW can be 12,14 or even 16 bits

... How about a tutorial?
 
Do you have to have a program to use them? Just seems a lot of grief is it really worth it?

Yes, but then you need a program to use jpgs too. Use raws if you want to do any kind of manipulation to the images other than cropping; don't bother otherwise.

This is an extreme example of the difference:
 
If you search this forum you will find 100's if not 1000's of threads on this exact topic.
A raw file as stated above is a digital version of a negative. It contains a lot more information than a .jpg file. You will not see the difference on your camera screen as your camera is simply showing you a processed jpg version of your photograph.

To see the difference you would need to upload them to a computer and into software like DPP (Canon) or Lightroom.
Initially the raw file will look a lot worse than the .jpg but that is because it is not really an image, but raw data that you need to process (develop) to create a photo.

For quick snapshots you can stick to .jpg files but if you want to get the most out of post processing then you should be shooting raw.

Google will also yield many results on this subject.
 
Raw files contain as much image information as can be produced by the camera. A jpg contains a processed sub-set of that information. If you wanted to edit your images, raw is a better starting point. if you're not too fussed, stick with jpg.

Normally a camera comes with an app to process that camera's raws with. it's about taking control, in order to maximise the result.

Unless you've got a special requirement (eg tons of burst shooting, or you want instant results), I can't see the point in having a dslr (if that's what you have) & just shooting jpg all the time.
I have a fuji xa2 mirrorless got it off a family member a few weeks ago really enjoying taking photos just the more I look into it and play with settings etc the more daunting it becomes.

So I guess I could download lightroom and play around with some images. Do you think this would be a good idea or should I just stick with jpeg for now?
 
I have a fuji xa2 mirrorless got it off a family member a few weeks ago really enjoying taking photos just the more I look into it and play with settings etc the more daunting it becomes.

So I guess I could download lightroom and play around with some images. Do you think this would be a good idea or should I just stick with jpeg for now?

It can be daunting, all of it, don't be put off though, maybe have a play around with both, I'd definitely look at the lightroom trial as well.

Oh and read read read and ask here, nothing is too silly a question

Mostly though have fun :D
 
When I got my first DSLR (back in the mists of time ...) I only shot JPEG, I wish now that I had shot RAW or RAW and JPEG. I have a number of relatively low quality and small sized jpegs that I cannot really work on much other than minor tweaks. As my PP skills have improved I cannot really apply them to these old images. My advice is to shoot in JPEG and RAW if your camera does it, even if for now you don't use the raw files. In a few years time (or maybe sooner) once you have developed more skills you may find you can get a little extra from some of the shots. I wish had. :(
 
It's true that modern cameras have a bewildering range of adjustments, & no-one has to use them all. So yes, start basic.

However if you never attempt raw, you'll never know what you're missing .... so look into it at some point. There's enough to think about for now.
 
I'm new to digital photography (less than one year). I started out shooting jpeg only, got on here and youtube etc and kept hearing about raw files so started shooting raw and jpeg.After trying the Lightroom free trial (since subscribed) I only shoot raw now. Lightroom is not as daunting as it looks once you get the hang of the basics, there's plenty of tutorials on youtube or ask on here.
 
Hi was wondering what the benefits of shooting raw over jpeg are? I'm really new to photography and been playing with my camera and took some pics in jpeg and some in raw the only difference I can notice is that I can't send raw files to my phone. So was wondering what would be the benefits of shooting in raw? Do you have to have a program to use them? Just seems a lot of grief is it really worth it?

Do some reading on this subject.. both on here, on the net, and in books etc.

In a nutshell... JPEGs are 8 bit, and limited to 256 levels per red, green and blue pixel. They're locked into an image format of fixed colours. They're also compressed, which means quality is sometimes visibly less (but always less whether you see it or not). The biggest issue is the 256 levels per colour channel though, as it gives far less creative possibilities when it comes to adjustments post shoot.

Raw files, are not a bitmapped image file... store more data... are at least 12 or 14 bit in depth... nothing is set in camera.... They're just more flexible.

There's a digital imaging section to the degree I teach, and this is basically right at the beginning....

Have a powerpoint... :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ggoxznoykhwnznm/Digital Capture and Workflow-2-file format.pdf?dl=0
 
Hi was wondering what the benefits of shooting raw over jpeg are? I'm really new to photography and been playing with my camera and took some pics in jpeg and some in raw the only difference I can notice is that I can't send raw files to my phone. So was wondering what would be the benefits of shooting in raw? Do you have to have a program to use them? Just seems a lot of grief is it really worth it?

I see a few benefits to shooting raw...

-You can correct any white balance and colour issues easier.
-You can keep going back and making endless different versions of the same picture with no loss of quality.
-As new and better processing packages come out you can do better things... some shots I took years ago are definitely better for being processed in software that wasn't available back then.
-You can decide what the image looks like rather than as one famous photographer (but I forget who) put it years ago... relying on some technician at Canon (or whoever...)

Most of my shots just need minimal processing but just now and again I need to do more and for those shots it's highly likely that I'd have been limited if I'd shot JPEG.

I'd recommend you give raw a good go and see if you can see any advantages for you.
 
I see a few benefits to shooting raw...

-You can correct any white balance and colour issues easier.
-You can keep going back and making endless different versions of the same picture with no loss of quality.
-As new and better processing packages come out you can do better things... some shots I took years ago are definitely better for being processed in software that wasn't available back then.
-You can decide what the image looks like rather than as one famous photographer (but I forget who) put it years ago... relying on some technician at Canon (or whoever...)

Most of my shots just need minimal processing but just now and again I need to do more and for those shots it's highly likely that I'd have been limited if I'd shot JPEG.

I'd recommend you give raw a good go and see if you can see any advantages for you.
Great advice I have seen I can shoot raw +jpg so will try shooting like that so I have both files and I'll look into getting lightroom program or something like that to have a go at pp. Thank you for your advise
 
Note that raw files are considerably larger, so I suggest you bear that in mind. It does make me be more ruthless in getting rid of those that are not up to scratch. That's no bad thing....
 
Hi was wondering what the benefits of shooting raw over jpeg are? I'm really new to photography and been playing with my camera and took some pics in jpeg and some in raw the only difference I can notice is that I can't send raw files to my phone. So was wondering what would be the benefits of shooting in raw? Do you have to have a program to use them? Just seems a lot of grief is it really worth it?

If your camera can save the same photo in JPEG and RAW formats to a memory card (the disadvantage is taking up a lot of space), then feel free to do so, that way you can try them both out. Print out both images, edit both images, compare both, just see how you feel about each format. Then when you start to feel you prefer one over the other, you can then stick with what you find better for you.

By the way, you can export RAW into JPEG for sending to your phone.
 
I have a fuji xa2 mirrorless got it off a family member a few weeks ago really enjoying taking photos just the more I look into it and play with settings etc the more daunting it becomes.

So I guess I could download lightroom and play around with some images. Do you think this would be a good idea or should I just stick with jpeg for now?
Fuji probably do the best jpeg images. get to know the camera and how to get the best out of it and you'll find there's no need for pp, I do very little pp, I really can't be bothered spending time on computer doing pp. For amateur use its not necessary unless you need to or enjoy doing it
 
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If your camera can save the same photo in JPEG and RAW formats to a memory card (the disadvantage is taking up a lot of space), then feel free to do so, that way you can try them both out. Print out both images, edit both images, compare both, just see how you feel about each format. Then when you start to feel you prefer one over the other, you can then stick with what you find better for you.

By the way, you can export RAW into JPEG for sending to your phone.
This is ok except you can't print a raw file :) Raw isn't a format as such its simply ALL the data the sensor has captured with nothing thrown away (when a modern camera processes and creates jpeg about 3/4 of the captured data is removed). Its then down to you how you process that data to the final image, which you'll have to export to a readable / printable format (normally jpeg).
 
Fuji probably do the best jpeg images get to know the camera and how to get the best out of it and you'll find there's no need for pp, I do very little pp, I really can't be bothered spending time on computer doing pp. For amateur use its not necessary unless you need to or enjoy doing it
Fuji jpegs are very good but I found I still wanted to shoot raw with my X100. I find I need to shoot raw not necessarily to be uber creative (though I do play a lot as you say above, some people enjoy this process as much as the photo taking process!), but to get the final output as close to how my eye saw the original scene. No camera I've ever used has been able to do this with a jpeg.
 
Fuji jpegs are very good but I found I still wanted to shoot raw with my X100. I find I need to shoot raw not necessarily to be uber creative (though I do play a lot as you say above, some people enjoy this process as much as the photo taking process!), but to get the final output as close to how my eye saw the original scene. No camera I've ever used has been able to do this with a jpeg.
I find the xe2 produces as my eye sees it without any need for pp, it's a personal thing if some prefer to spend more time doing pp than using a camera it's up them, personally I'd rather be out shooting. I'd rather get the shot right in the first place.
I do pp but try to keep it to a minimum
 
I find the xe2 produces as my eye sees it without any need for pp, it's a personal thing if some prefer to spend more time doing pp than using a camera it's up them, personally I'd rather be out shooting. I'd rather get the shot right in the first place.
I do pp but try to keep it to a minimum
Its not about "getting the shot right in the first place" (bit of an unnecessarily prickly comment, which suggests you think those shooting raw and process themselves rather than letting the camera do it for them cant get it right in cam?), that's down to composition as long as you're technically proficient. Its about bringing the clouds back, bringing the detail forward that your eye can see but the processing algorithm programmed by a mathematician in an r&d dept missed in its calculations. For me, it humanises the whole process from start to finish.

But who said anything about preferring to spend more time doing PP than shooting?
 
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It's going to take longer to pp 200 shots than it is to capture them, I suggest don't lose the clouds ;-)
 
It's going to take longer to pp 200 shots than it is to capture them, I suggest don't lose the clouds ;-)
Don't always have my grads with me.

But taking time to process the final image doesn't mean you prefer it to taking the photos in the first place? That's rather irrelevant.

I spend more time driving to my dad's house in Cornwall than I do lapping Silverstone in my track car. Doesn't mean I enjoy it more.
 
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Fuji probably do the best jpeg images. get to know the camera and how to get the best out of it and you'll find there's no need for pp, I do very little pp, I really can't be bothered spending time on computer doing pp. For amateur use its not necessary unless you need to or enjoy doing it

Taking "amateur" as someone who does something for love rather than money, I could argue that it's the professionals who could use that argument with far greater force. And assuming that if professionals do it (and they do) that they have a reason, it's not hard to guess what it is - it gives a better result. Should amateurs love the creativity of photography enough to make the effort to produce the best photographs that they can? I'd say yes - but see below.

I find the xe2 produces as my eye sees it without any need for pp, it's a personal thing if some prefer to spend more time doing pp than using a camera it's up them, personally I'd rather be out shooting. I'd rather get the shot right in the first place.
I do pp but try to keep it to a minimum

Whatever you do, there's a limit to what can be captured in 8 bits. You will always lose details in highlights and shadows, which has to be thrown away to create the jpg. Do these details matter? Perhaps not every time, but certainly some times. And those times are the ones when it's impossible to "get it right in camera" if by that you mean the resulting jpg. Now, if you mean the raw file - well, subject to the limitations of cameras, lenses and sensors - you can at least aim to get the right starting point for the final image.

Different people "do" photography for different reasons. Some just enjoy being out with a camera and use it as a notebook to capture memories, and for them arguably jpg is all they need (for the moment - if they move camps they may later regret that they have severe limitations if they want to produce a better print or on screen image from an old photograph). Some enjoy sitting at the computer and manipulating images (I expect some painters are happy indoors daubing paint on canvas rather than being outside). And some concentrate on the final result. I'm in the last group, and my aim is to get the best starting point in camera for my final image. It's very rare when I use film to be able to do this, and impossible when using most digital cameras (I produce black and white as my "native" output). (This sentence is obscure; by "this" I mean getting the final image exactly right in camera, not "getting the best starting point".)

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It's going to take longer to pp 200 shots than it is to capture them, I suggest don't lose the clouds ;-)

Certainly will, even with batch processing giving the modern frame rates. But personally "getting the best starting point" means getting as far as I can the best possible camera position relative to the subject for the composition and the correct exposure, focus and framing before I release the shutter. I'm more a 5 frames per day than 5 frames per second photographer. If you need to take that many photographs, I wonder why? The obvious answer is sports where you might want to capture a complete sequence, or wildlife; but do you then need to process that many?
 
I have recently started dabbling with raw and if you're just starting out, you might be better shooting raw+jpeg. There is a bit of a learning curve to raw processing - you will be doing most of what the camera does with a jpeg yourself- sharpening, noise reduction, white balance (not always needed), colour/saturation etc...but if you shoot both you can have instant access to a decently rendered jpeg but also have the raw handy if you do want to have a crack at processing it. It can be frustrating being stuck with only raw files that you're struggling to edit to a satisfying result.

Raw is very handy because quite a lot of settings that are permanent in a jpeg are editable/correctible in raw. Everything from sharpening to white balance.

That being said, jpegs are smaller, easier to handle by most systems, work easily across mobile devices and take less time to edit (mainly because you cant edit as much). There are also a host of very good, free jpeg editors for every conceivable device on the planet that can handle a jpeg file and do a very good job of doing a certain level of editing. Raw files are also not a magic fix. There is not an infinite amount of data and a crap/blurred picture is still a crap/blurred picture.

Jpegs are very handy for certain things. There is no need to be messing about with raw files for facebook snaps and ebay listings etc.

Shoot both, storage is cheap.
 
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Taking "amateur" as someone who does something for love rather than money, I could argue that it's the professionals who could use that argument with far greater force. And assuming that if professionals do it (and they do) that they have a reason, it's not hard to guess what it is - it gives a better result. Should amateurs love the creativity of photography enough to make the effort to produce the best photographs that they can? I'd say yes - but see below.



Whatever you do, there's a limit to what can be captured in 8 bits. You will always lose details in highlights and shadows, which has to be thrown away to create the jpg. Do these details matter? Perhaps not every time, but certainly some times. And those times are the ones when it's impossible to "get it right in camera" if by that you mean the resulting jpg. Now, if you mean the raw file - well, subject to the limitations of cameras, lenses and sensors - you can at least aim to get the right starting point for the final image.

Different people "do" photography for different reasons. Some just enjoy being out with a camera and use it as a notebook to capture memories, and for them arguably jpg is all they need (for the moment - if they move camps they may later regret that they have severe limitations if they want to produce a better print or on screen image from an old photograph). Some enjoy sitting at the computer and manipulating images (I expect some painters are happy indoors daubing paint on canvas rather than being outside). And some concentrate on the final result. I'm in the last group, and my aim is to get the best starting point in camera for my final image. It's very rare when I use film to be able to do this, and impossible when when using most digital cameras (I produce black and white as my "native" output).

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It's up to the individual it's not a right or wrong ( not saying anyone is saying that), certainly for one off photos pp is very useful when you can't recapture that moment but for static subjects.......the camera and you should be enough.
for me I wouldn't want to spend hours pp every photo, others might. Up to the individual.
 
It's up to the individual it's not a right or wrong ( not saying anyone is saying that), certainly for one off photos pp is very useful when you can't recapture that moment but for static subjects.......the camera and you should be enough.
for me I wouldn't want to spend hours pp every photo, others might. Up to the individual.
So landscapes don't need pp? There's no camera that has the type of dynamic range needed to always balance the shadows and highlights unlike the human eye.

Photography for me is all about the end result, the best end result for me is a self processed raw. The camera is just a tool and the methods are just a process.

Why would I want a print with blown highlights or detail lost to shadow? Even the best photographer can't always balance that, that's simple physics.
 
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Did I say landscapes? It depends how fussy you are or need to be but that's up to the individual, if you can't take a decent landscape without pp........
 
but for static subjects.......the camera and you should be enough.

I'm afraid that I'm not up to that standard. I can (and do) take a long time over a landscape photograph to get the best I can in camera, and still need to change things afterwards. (So did Ansel Adams, so I don't mind being a failure in such company :))

My subjects are almost all static. I'd like to think that even if I'm not perfect, I'm better than the photographic process "out of the camera" which can't record different parts of the scene with different contrast and different exposure to balance things up, and can't capture the full range of tones that I can see.

Who said anything about hours, anyway? You're assuming far too much.
 
Did I say landscapes? It depends how fussy you are or need to be but that's up to the individual, if you can't take a decent landscape without pp........
You said anything static?
 
I'm not getting into a children's argument I don't really care if you pp your dinner tbh.
 
I'm not getting into a children's argument I don't really care if you pp your dinner tbh.
It's not a children's argument it's a discussion.

You're the only one here making comments that could be described as childish - pp'ing our dinners??

Everyone else has been quite factual and reasoned.
 
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That's getting childish, how would anyone survive without photoshop
Oh dear, another snide comment. It's not childish either, it's referencing exactly what you said?

Anyway I prefer Lightroom.
 
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It's up to the individual it's not a right or wrong ( not saying anyone is saying that), certainly for one off photos pp is very useful when you can't recapture that moment but for static subjects.......the camera and you should be enough.
for me I wouldn't want to spend hours pp every photo, others might. Up to the individual.
Well it is up to the individual...

But I'd have thought major PP is much more common in 'static subjects', when I'm shooting moving subjects it makes it easy to ensure the subject takes precedence. So if there's a blown highlight in the background I'm hardly likely to care, and I certainly wouldn't have been in a position to shoot at a different EV to merge exposures.

Whereas with a static scene, ensuring that a dynamic range beyond what the camera is capable of, well PP can do that for us.

Oh, and I can afford Lightroom and Photoshop, because people buy my pictures ;)
 
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