RAW V's Jpeg

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ok silly question my wife is doing a media degree,at the moment she is doing visual culture and they have been told the the difference between raw and jpeg is not big enough to warrant the extra file space required for what they are doing and also that a jpeg drops quality every time its opened

I said it was a silly question lol

Rob
 
and also that a jpeg drops quality every time its opened


huh...?............should be ''every time it's SAVED''.....:thinking:
 
smurf123 said:
ok silly question my wife is doing a media degree,at the moment she is doing visual culture and they have been told the the difference between raw and jpeg is not big enough to warrant the extra file space required for what they are doing and also that a jpeg drops quality every time its opened

I said it was a silly question lol

Rob

Can't agree with any of that. The additional data within the RAW file is defiantly worth the additional storage space. Plus you can edit the RAW file as many times as you like without destroying any of the image data.

I suspect the course tutors don't think that for the course they are teaching the difference probably doesn't justify saving images as RAW..

Also as it has been said earlier, JPEG quality only degrades on saving not opening. Hope the tutors know that,
 
Ok thanks for that she will take it back to the tutor but like said it probably not worth just for pic manipulation on the course

What it could be, is that if the course is actually teaching picture manipulation, that the computers they are using for the manipulation are not powerful enough to properly handle RAW images in a timely fashion.

There is never any point in throwing away data if you don't need to. So, if you have a system that is capable of displaying RAW, and manipulating it, you might as well use it.

However, if by using RAW you are adding 20 seconds to a manipulation (as you will be using a 16 bit image, rather than 8 bit image [although I believe that Canon and Nikon use 14 bit at the most, the closest 'standard' is 16 bit] you will be doubling the bits in use), then if it is to just demonstrate an idea, a jpeg will do.

Someone posted a link to this site the other day: http://ronbigelow.com/articles/articles.htm
This uses 8 bit JPGs to demonstrate the effects, but it is clear enough as to what the effects are.

If the output of the class is to learn the techniques of producing a masterpiece, rather than necessarily to produce a masterpiece, then jpg will do.


This thing about saving the images.
JPG uses a loss-full compression. So every time you save a /change/ to an image, you might compress the image and loose a little bit of the data. So a line might become slightly blurred. If, you open the image, change one pixel, then save it, at the same compression level as before, you may not necessarily loose any real data. It depends on how the data is being compressed.

There is no reason, why you cannot open a JPG, and then save it as a TIFF. This uses a compression (if selected) which is loss-less. So for example, a ZIP file is loss-less. What you put in can always be retrieved.
Or save it as a PSD file, if you are using Photoshop.

But then, if you are going to be saving as a PSD or Tiff, it really makes no sense why there was a warning-off of using RAW.

I suspect it was because they have had issues with some makes of camera's RAW files not being openable by the machines involved.

RAW also blurs the boundary a bit on image manipulation. In that, by default the RAW data is manipulated by a set of 'rules' before opening it properly. So for example, the contrast is defined as you open it. The starting place for brightness is defined etc.
This might I guess be confusing for some people.
 
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