Problem with Colour Profile

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I seem to be getting myself in a bit of a muddle here.

I decided that I would give Peak Imaging a go after hearing many good reports about them throughout TP.

I downloaded their Colour Profile, which I know states for use in Photoshop but I use Paint Shop Pro X2 which shouldn't really make a difference.

Anyway, before using this profile I would scan my negs using my Epson V500 and the Greyscale option, as I shoot mainly B&W.

When opening the scan in PSP, the image looked as it should, B&W, now if I apply the new Colour Profile from Peak, the image takes on a steel grey hue, a very subtle blue if you like.

Now Peak say that images need to be in sRGB mode but my B&W's are in Grey mode.

I thought that maybe if I changed the mode from Grey to sRGB it would rectify the blue hue issue but it doesn't.

Really I am concerned that if I use their profile, which tends to make editing a tad more tricky with lights and darks etc, will my prints from them come out with the blue hue or should I just forget using the profile and stick to what I was originally doing?

If I do continue how I was working the image prior to the new profile, where black is black and white is white and then send the file to Peak for printing, will it be printed as I have seen it on my screen?

Do I need to change the images to sRGB or can they be left as Grey?

Is there some step that I have missed?

I have also downloaded Peak's calibration image and have had a copy of this image sent to me and it does only truly match when I apply their Colour Profile.

Any help would be appreciated.
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You can only really use the profile in an RGB image, as you may want to make some corrections to take into account the output device.

Don't know Paint Shop pro, but I suspect the approach you outlined should work. Convert the mono image to a RGB in sRGB colour space. See what effect the profile has and correct for it.

Photoshop has a soft proof option within the "View" menu which enables you to see the effect of a profile and correct for it. This tends to give a slightly off colour image on the screen, but will give a good print when printed as you have taken the output devices characteristics into account. I'm not sure how Paint Shop Pro handles this procedure.

Easiest way to clarify matters is either to check with Peak, but they themselves may not be familiar with PSP, or simply send them a small test order and confirms all works OK, something I would do anyway
 
Chappers said:
You can only really use the profile in an RGB image, as you may want to make some corrections to take into account the output device.

Don't know Paint Shop pro, but I suspect the approach you outlined should work. Convert the mono image to a RGB in sRGB colour space. See what effect the profile has and correct for it.
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I have tried this and whether the image is sRGB or Greyscale the effect on the image is the same, a blue hue.

Chaz Photos said:
You say you are "Applying" them you need to Convert to the Profile Can only tell you how to do this in PS but there must be this option somewhere near when you apply it.
I would scan in RGB as well.
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In PSP I change the colour profile via colour management.
When you scan in RGB, do you mean even B&W negs?


Thanks for the help guys. ;)
 
kjevans said:
In PSP I change the colour profile via colour management.
When you scan in RGB, do you mean even B7W negs?


Thanks for the help guys. ;)
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Yes I scan all in RGB you have more date to work with. Can you not convert the profile in PSP
In PS it is in the Menu Edit as I do not have a copy of PSP I cant say any more
When you apply a profile all that happens is all the numbers for each colour is kept the same but converting will change them so it stays the same colour in the new profile.
 
I agree with Chaz you need to keep the files in RGB rather than greysacle.
As far as the profile is concerned it needs to be used as a softproof tool. Thisis easy in Photshop but I don't know how in PSP.

Look under the help menu for Soft Proofing or try this link which is the only one I can find that relates to Soft proofing and PSP

It's a very slow connection though

http://forestrat.wordpress.com/2009/04/19/proofing-in-paint-shop-pro/
 
Yippee! I think I have nailed it.

I had a very frustrating day yesterday trying to sort this hue problem out.

I haven't got a hardware calibrator so I was trying various software ones but not really getting rid of the hue.

I even tried adjust my monitors settings from within my video card and I did get fairly close to a true B&W image but I thought that this was probably not the way to go as it was tending to make my windows title bars etc look slightly off.

I decided to take a big leap for me, I downloaded a trail of Photoshop CS4, what a learning curve I have set myself now, seen as I have been using PSP since day dot.

Anyway, from a bit of fiddling I found how to change the colour profile of an image inside PS so I changed the normal setting from my Monitor's profile to the Peak profile and what do you know, no more blue hue, now I had a brown hue, GREAT. :(

I then added the Peak profile to my Monitor's colour management and set it to default and tried again, same problem, no change whatsoever. :thinking:

I then ran out of time to play around last night and went to bed trying to forget about it but could I, could I heck!

I started to try and figure this out in my head, if I was seeing a brown hue in the image, does this mean that the print from Peak will have a brown hue?
What about if I just adjusted the levels in the image so that it appeared as a true B&W on my screen, how would that affect the printed outcome?
etc, etc...

Needless to say, I had a bit of a restless night.

To try to cut an extremely long story short, I booted up the old PC today, had a little looky in PS at the test image I was using yesterday and low and behold it was a perfect B&W image.

I then tried various other B&W image files and they are all spot on.

I have setup PS to change the files Colour Profile to Peak's upon opening and all seems to be working fine now.

Looks like time for me to ditch PSP and join the PS bandwagon, just got to get the price of it past the missus first. :D
 
Check out Elements. Not sure if will do what you want regards the profile, but if it does it'll be a whole lot cheaper, and probaly a lot easier to get past Mrs K

Download a free trial.

I'd also send a test file to Peak, just to make sure all is OK
 
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