printing prorile help(dscl)

[markyboy.1967]

Yeah im using their profile.

 

[POAH]

its not so much muted more that its a lighter print - the second image is the more pleasing one.

i also found it muted pinks.
srgb

dscl profile.

 

[scottthehat]

Yeah im using their profile.

might be worth trying srb.

 

[scottthehat]

poah, the 2nd is far from the colour the 1st is closer, but i will just have to manage somehow untill i find as good price that can match what i want, as dcsl cant do that,

 

[POAH]

poah, the 2nd is far from the colour the 1st is closer, but i will just have to manage somehow untill i find as good price that can match what i want, as dcsl cant do that,

on my iPhone the second print is darker and not as pleasing as the first. this could be a monitor profiling problem. if you tilt your screen does the monitor look more like the dacl print?

the fact that other people get results with the profile does suggest something wrong at you end

 

[Hodders]

If it is any help. My workflow is LR2 and CS4 with PSDs in ProPhoto colour space. I shoot in Raw (which has no default colour space embedded).

Last thing I do is to export as sRGB and upload to DSCL using pro option (no adjustments). My prints come back spot on.

My monitor is a U2410 and is calibrated with a Spyder 3.

One thing that I have heard people do is to make sure that the gamma is spot on as if you up the brightness on the monitor too far then you prints will come back too dark which will make all the colours seem less vibrant.

You could ask DSCL for a test print and the image file they used to produce it. That will allow you to compare your sRGB fil with theirs....

Good luck, as these things are frustrating.

 

[scottthehat]

first both my monitors and laptop are calibrated with spyder 3 pro.
and even on my nokia n97, the srgb ones look better,.

The prints i get back from dscl with there profile look bang on with my monitors,
but thats not right, as its washed out the reds as it does on my monitor(so im sure its not a problem my end., srgb is much better,

i think its just a problem that i wont overcome.

 

[scottthehat]

If it is any help. My workflow is LR2 and CS4 with PSDs in ProPhoto colour space. I shoot in Raw (which has no default colour space embedded).

Last thing I do is to export as sRGB and upload to DSCL using pro option (no adjustments). My prints come back spot on.

My monitor is a U2410 and is calibrated with a Spyder 3.

One thing that I have heard people do is to make sure that the gamma is spot on as if you up the brightness on the monitor too far then you prints will come back too dark which will make all the colours seem less vibrant.

You could ask DSCL for a test print and the image file they used to produce it. That will allow you to compare your sRGB fil with theirs....

Good luck, as these things are frustrating.

do you not use dscl profiles.

 

[POAH]

first both my monitors and laptop are calibrated with spyder 3 pro.
and even on my nokia n97, the srgb ones look better,.

The prints i get back from dscl with there profile look bang on with my monitors,
but thats not right, as its washed out the reds as it does on my monitor(so im sure its not a problem my end., srgb is much better,

i think its just a problem that i wont overcome.

if the prints match what the scene looks like then edit the files with the assigned dacl profile. then the prita should match your screen

 

[scottthehat]

if the prints match what the scene looks like then edit the files with the assigned dacl profile. then the prita should match your screen

i have tried it that way.
first thing i do once converted from raw is to convert to there profile(which still washes the red out and i cant replicate it again then.
also as you probably know you should not work on printer profiles,

 

[good_fella7777]

hi all. firstly i have used dscl for a while now and never noticed it untill today, i have some that i want to print but when i convert to dscl profiles it looks washed out(reds more so) is this because my monitor can not cope with the profile, confused.
not onverted (standard rgb)

converted to (dscl dp2 colour frontier)

It happens with my photos everytime I assign a DSCL proflile, the images look pale, but the prints are spot on

 

[scottthehat]

ok weired my images look pale and print pale(as i see them)
will be sticking with srgb.

 

[Hodders]

do you not use dscl profiles.

Haven't done as yet. The results using Srgb are coming back great. I keep on trying to remember to put a couple of DSCL profiled images in next time I place an order but keep forgetting !

 

[scottthehat]

Haven't done as yet. The results using Srgb are coming back great. I keep on trying to remember to put a couple of DSCL profiled images in next time I place an order but keep forgetting !

would be interested if you do, i have been using srgb since and my customers have been very happy.

 

[DekHog]

A bit OT, but I got an order of 12" x 16"'s from them yesterday and they've changed the packing from cardboard tube to flat pack - wonder what the reason for that is, as it looks to be significantly more packaging work for them to do flat pack?

 

[scottthehat]

A bit OT, but I got an order of 12" x 16"'s from them yesterday and they've changed the packing from cardboard tube to flat pack - wonder what the reason for that is, as it looks to be significantly more packaging work for them to do flat pack?

i had some pics yeterday and they were as standard.

 

[coldpenguin]

How are you converting your image?
Not very good scale-wise, bit restricted by the 800px width.


To generate this image, I loaded the original, then select all, copy, then paste as a new image, twice. I then selected one copy, and used assign profile, then I selected the other copy, and chose convert profile, and selected the same Lustre profile from DS for both.
I then performed a print screen, with all 3 images on the screen at the same time. I saved this print screen as a separate image, and then trimmed it into the output above.
The left image is the original, then convert in the middle, then assign on the right. There is a noticable difference in the image being displayed. In theory, they should all be at the same printer profile now (apart from the original), and they should all be at the same Monitor profile.
In fact, I have just printed them out (the middle copy stage) and confirmed that the images are in fact producing different colours. (can be seen most easily in the blue fish above)

 

[scottthehat]

How are you converting your image?
Not very good scale-wise, bit restricted by the 800px width.


To generate this image, I loaded the original, then select all, copy, then paste as a new image, twice. I then selected one copy, and used assign profile, then I selected the other copy, and chose convert profile, and selected the same Lustre profile from DS for both.
I then performed a print screen, with all 3 images on the screen at the same time. I saved this print screen as a separate image, and then trimmed it into the output above.
The left image is the original, then convert in the middle, then assign on the right. There is a noticable difference in the image being displayed. In theory, they should all be at the same printer profile now (apart from the original), and they should all be at the same Monitor profile.
In fact, I have just printed them out (the middle copy stage) and confirmed that the images are in fact producing different colours. (can be seen most easily in the blue fish above)

defo see the colour difference.
as for me im editing me pictures untill its ready for print and then just assigning dscls profile (lustre).
i have tried it as you have with assigning and converting, and no matter what i do it always ends up the same, so i will just use srb as its closer than dscl profile.
also if you print the converted profile pic it comes out washed out like the assigned profile one(even know it looks ok on your monitor)

 

[parsley]

I've just tried the different conversion options in photoshop (perceptual, saturation, relative colorimetric and absolute colorimetric) to "DS colour frontier DP2" and "DS colour frontier crystal archive", with and without "black point compensation", and clicked the preview on and off to see the effects.

Not brilliant, at least on screen. The different options do give different results though. The picture has a lot of very deep shadow, which all becomes lighter. Ideally this would reflect the fact that this is the best the printer can do : it can't print as black as my monitor, so photoshop is making the best compromise for me. But that's if the profile is accurate - maybe it's not.

I'm just trying soft proofing ("View" menu, "Proof setup", "Proof colours") and sRGB handles the shadows much better than the dscl profiles. So the question is what are their printers really like?

I've had A3 prints from dscl before and they've come out pretty well, but none had bright red / deep shadow. [Monitor is Hp LP2475W, profiled with spyder 3]. I'd like to get some bigger posters done, and right now I can't find a profile for them on their site :-(

defo see the colour difference.
as for me im editing me pictures untill its ready for print and then just assigning dscls profile (lustre).
i have tried it as you have with assigning and converting, and no matter what i do it always ends up the same, so i will just use srb as its closer than dscl profile.
also if you print the converted profile pic it comes out washed out like the assigned profile one(even know it looks ok on your monitor)

ps assigning the profile may not make any difference to the print. It sounds like dscl may ignore the profile tag anyway, and just print from the numbers. If so conversion is the only way to change things, as it changes the numbers to make the overall print match the original (or that's what it should do if every part of the chain works)

 

[scottthehat]

I've just tried the different conversion options in photoshop (perceptual, saturation, relative colorimetric and absolute colorimetric) to "DS colour frontier DP2" and "DS colour frontier crystal archive", with and without "black point compensation", and clicked the preview on and off to see the effects.

Not brilliant, at least on screen. The different options do give different results though. The picture has a lot of very deep shadow, which all becomes lighter. Ideally this would reflect the fact that this is the best the printer can do : it can't print as black as my monitor, so photoshop is making the best compromise for me. But that's if the profile is accurate - maybe it's not.

I'm just trying soft proofing ("View" menu, "Proof setup", "Proof colours") and sRGB handles the shadows much better than the dscl profiles. So the question is what are their printers really like?

I've had A3 prints from dscl before and they've come out pretty well, but none had bright red / deep shadow. [Monitor is Hp LP2475W, profiled with spyder 3]. I'd like to get some bigger posters done, and right now I can't find a profile for them on their site :-(



ps assigning the profile may not make any difference to the print. It sounds like dscl may ignore the profile tag anyway, and just print from the numbers. If so conversion is the only way to change things, as it changes the numbers to make the overall print match the original (or that's what it should do if every part of the chain works)

i just use srgb and they come out 99% aok so will stick with that.