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So hes allowed to join the army but its too dangerous to send him to iraq to fight, but its ok to send the rest of his fellow soldiers, now excuse me when i try to work out why that is fare on every other soldier, he like his brother wants to be treated like every other soldier but hes not allowed to fight? (here was me thinking everyone was equal regardless of background in the army.....)


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I think theyve taken him out to protect the rest of his unit as that is they one that would be hit first if he was there.
 
It's a bit more complicated than that, having him there would in all probability increase the attacks on units in that area thereby putting his colleagues at greater risk. Can you imagine the propaganda coup the insurgents would have if they killed or captured him?
 
While the government can't keep their mouths shut, the army can't send him.
And if the press didn't publicize all the facts, he would probably have already gone.
 
i dont agree, regardless of any "increased target" he may create, it smacks to me of "hes a royal we cant send him, lets send some other poor b****r in to be canon fodder instead"
 
It's a bit more complicated than that, having him there would in all probability increase the attacks on units in that area thereby putting his colleagues at greater risk. Can you imagine the propaganda coup the insurgents would have if they killed or captured him?

Thats exactly as I understood it, its a sensible military decision as far as I can see.
 
but surely then hes going to put his platoon in danger in ANY army manouver in the field, so he shouldnt be in the army...... unless of course we get him running around disassembling canons and putting them back together again at the end of an obsticle course....


and if hes not safe to fight then why wasnt that noted 2 years ago (or whenever he enrolled) and his place given to someone who would be able to fulfil a use and instead move him to a position in the army which would not put him (or his fellow soldiers) in danger?
 
In that case you are probably correct. In today's mass communications the presence of a Royal or President's daughter/son in the military is too dangerous and quite frankly he shouldn't have been allowed to join in my opinion. But the military has made a sound decision in keeping him out of the field and I would expect his resignation soon.
 
Well watts the point in spending thousand to train him to let him sit on his backside watching every other buggers get shot his uncial went to the Falklands to fight, he is 2 much a soft sod get him out there so watt if he gets killed saves on the tax payer to keep him in sodding luxury (can you send a helicopter to get my boots iv forgot them yes no problem mate)
 
It has nothing to do with his safety! It has to do with the added risk to those surrounding him and the predicament the country would be in if he was kidnapped.
 
It's not Harrys fault nor the Armys, it's the bloody newspapers and tv making a three ring circus out of it, letting the whole world know what was intended and making damned sure it stayed headline news for weeks/months so that they could 'create' just this situation and line their pockets.

They have made it impossible for him to go now and I don't see how he can carry on as an officer when the men he has to command know that he will never be sent into harms way alongside them.

I think it's a sad day when the media are willing to create and manipulate their own news stories rather then report honestly what happens in the world.
 
If the big gobbed twits hadn't have broadcast his deployment to the world, no one would have know where he was.

every soldier looks the same to a roadside bomb :(

This will only serve to reduce his credibility as an officer.

If iraq's too dangerous, keep it quiet and send him off to another armpit of the world to do his job. A soldier who can't fight is as much use as an MP at a truth contest.
 
You’re a soldier on the front line ... you have a choice to go into combat with two patrols....

...One patrol is headed by one of the most important (up to another discussion that bit) and well know people on earth who would be worth wasting several solders on just to kill him.

...the other patrol is led by an unknown soldier.

Which patrol would you like to join?
 
It's not Harrys fault nor the Armys, it's the bloody newspapers and tv making a three ring circus out of it, letting the whole world know what was intended and making damned sure it stayed headline news for weeks/months so that they could 'create' just this situation and line their pockets.

They have made it impossible for him to go now and I don't see how he can carry on as an officer when the men he has to command know that he will never be sent into harms way alongside them.

I think it's a sad day when the media are willing to create and manipulate their own news stories rather then report honestly what happens in the world.

agreed, would we have known if he went and came back 6 moths later if the press hadnt got in the trough?
 
It's not Harrys fault nor the Armys, it's the bloody newspapers and tv making a three ring circus out of it, letting the whole world know what was intended and making damned sure it stayed headline news for weeks/months so that they could 'create' just this situation and line their pockets.

They have made it impossible for him to go now and I don't see how he can carry on as an officer when the men he has to command know that he will never be sent into harms way alongside them.

I think it's a sad day when the media are willing to create and manipulate their own news stories rather then report honestly what happens in the world.
Exactly mate, exactly it... :clap:
 
It's one thing to go to a theatre of war and put your neck on the line like everyone else and with the same chances. It's quite another to go there when you're a declared special target, and one going to attract considerably more aggression just by your presence, and in a climate where suicide attacks to achieve objectives are the norm.

It wouldn't be fair on any soldier to be subjected to that degree of additional risk regardless of whether he was royalty or just rank and file, and the increased risk to those around him is obvious.

I think the army made exactly the right decision.
 
It's not Harrys fault nor the Armys, it's the bloody newspapers and tv making a three ring circus out of it, letting the whole world know what was intended and making damned sure it stayed headline news for weeks/months so that they could 'create' just this situation and line their pockets.

They have made it impossible for him to go now and I don't see how he can carry on as an officer when the men he has to command know that he will never be sent into harms way alongside them.

I think it's a sad day when the media are willing to create and manipulate their own news stories rather then report honestly what happens in the world.


Precisely!!!

I think harry will now leave the army, because he himself will not want to lead men away from dangerous situations, when he cannot lead them when they really need him.

The media, government officials, palace officials, whoever is responsible for making sure it was made news headlines, THEY are the ones that should be facing the metaphorical firing squad, not the Army, Harry or any of his fellow soldiers. :razz:
 
And to just illustrate the point....

How many people knew that the Duke of Westminster (the richest aristocrat in the United Kingdom) made a visit to Iraq, stayed a while, then came home? :shrug:

All un-announced by the Media but a worthy target none-the-less.

Comparing Harry to his Uncle is a bit of a non-starter. How did any Argentinian pilot know it was Prince Andrew flying a Sea King decoying Exocist missiles? As CT has intimated, to put Harry into Iraq (or any other terrorist based enclave) is begging for him to be used as a capital target as opposed to an anonymous entity in a "normal" theatre of war...

Not for him to go is quite the correct thing for all the above similar reasons.
 
But on the same scale, if the media hadn't have told the entire world about him, he too would have been home safely before anyone knew he was there and it'd have been a major coup for the army as they had sent a "prize" to their table and they missed it.
 
And to just illustrate the point....

How many people knew that the Duke of Westminster (the richest aristocrat in the United Kingdom) ......
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I think he's the richest person - period Barry - owns most of the square mile of the City Of London. One of the top game shots in the country too, but I suppose he can afford the practice. :D
 
I think he's the richest person - period Barry - owns most of the square mile of the City Of London. One of the top game shots in the country too, but I suppose he can afford the practice. :D

Well, I was only quoting Wiki...... :eek:

Was he thinking of buying a square mile of Baghdad d'ya reckon ;)
 
*snip*

I think it's a sad day when the media are willing to create and manipulate their own news stories rather then report honestly what happens in the world.

welcome to the modern media :thumbsdown:
 
welcome to the modern media :thumbsdown:


Devils advocate says:
You can't blame everything on the media, people don't buy boring papers (for example) and any of you on this thread that still continue to purchase one whether you bought it for the boring Blair situ or the sad little girl in Portugal story also buy the sensationalism content (I except broadsheets may be slightly different), especailly if its one of the tabloid rags that are normally well known for their "extended" story lines. TV is *not* as bad and human inquisitiveness has made the papers what they are today and consequently media photographers don't sell boring pictures so they don't take them
 
I've got mixed feelings about the media these days. I worked for years in an occupation constantly pestered by the press, where we told them only what we wanted them to know and they grudgingly accepted the situation. Nowadays they take as a right to be kept informed of every tiny development, and often do more harm than good speculating about issues when they don't have concrete facts. The Leslie Whittle kidnapping in the Black Panther case is a classic example where they were asked not to publish the kidnapping, but they went right ahead and sealed that poor girl's fate, playing the "public's right to know card" to a diastrous conclusion.

I also find it particularly galling to see military chiefs being barracked and criticised by the media at press conferences over operational matters which really shouldn't be their concern, but on the other hand I suppose it's preferable to losing 420,000 men as they did on The Somme, for a piece of ground of little tactical value, and we learn about it days and even weeks later. Someone worked out the gain was 2 lives per centimetre!

It's all about accountability these days, and in many respects it's no bad thing, but far too often it now seems to be a case of the tail wagging the dog.
 
you are right nuffink, you can't blame everything on the media but they do have to take a large slice of the blame.
did anyone hear the mathew pariss interveiw on radio 4 the other day regarding mps and the maddie mccann case? 100% correct imho and this what is governing our country politicians playing to a public fed bile by the media.
whats the public interest in where harry is serving? hes only a person same as everyone else, so they keep telling us.
as for the maddie case, why are the parents being feted by the media? if that little girl is found safe there is no way she should be returned to her parents who couldn't look after her properly. absolute disgrace imho.
pbh
 
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