powering mains flash heads

Genuine question: is there anybody on here using these packs regularly?

I know one person who has had an Inovatronix and sold it but haven't seen any real world reports on how good they are.
 
Genuine question: is there anybody on here using these packs regularly?

I know one person who has had an Inovatronix and sold it but haven't seen any real world reports on how good they are.

Seem to be a fair few in the good ol' US of A but not so much here.
 
nobody thought of buying a 1kw inverter from the likes of maplins and a high AH sealed lead acid battery ?

basically thats what your buying when you get one of the Innovatronix Explorer range

iv'e tried just to see if it worked a 150w inverter and one of those battery booster packs on a portaflash 220 AC and it worked fine
so if your using a couple of 500w flash heads i would think a 1kw inverter and something like a 10 AH SLA would do the trick
iv'e no idea what the charge cycle would be or the amount of time it would last but it would be a lot cheaper than the custom made ones

here's my thoughts on the matter
the 500w is the flash burst power and not the charge recycle current rate i would imagine that would be no more than a couple of 100w if that so a 1kw inverter would be more than enough the weak link would be the battery but i think a 10ah one should be enough for a reasonable amount for flashes

need someone with more technical knowledge on charge rates to comment really
 
A long while ago i tried an expensive pure sinewave high capacity inverter and big battery with a single 500R Bowens head... The initial current draw just tripped the inverter. I use a Profoto 7B system now when I need good recycle times and out of studio lighting. The Bowens travelpak is a bit slow to recycle for my needs so I keep the Bowens heads for in studio only.
 
I wouldn't buy anything from studio-flash, their entire range is shoddy.

Bowens do a decent travelpak, as do Alienbees, and innovatronix is also very good. They have a new smaller version that is supposed to be excellent.

Again, it's always difficult to find someone who actually takes them out in the real world to test them.
 
London Headshots said:
I wouldn't buy anything from studio-flash, their entire range is shoddy.

Bowens do a decent travelpak, as do Alienbees, and innovatronix is also very good. They have a new smaller version that is supposed to be excellent.

Again, it's always difficult to find someone who actually takes them out in the real world to test them.

So are speedlights the way to go?
 
So are speedlights the way to go?

They may be, it depends on a lot of different factors. The market is becoming very saturated with copies of Quantum-style battery packs, which is reducing the prices, and they certainly do the job - but you still end up with a hotshoe flash with all its limitations, which may or may not matter to you - it depends very largely on the type of work they have to do.

For sports/press photography they can be ideal, but you'll probably need to cobble a few of them together to get enough power (and you'll certainly need to if you want enough power to overwhelm the sun) which will be very expensive as well as complicated, and if you have to use them at high power settings you'll lose the advantage of short flash durations.

But hotshoe flashes struggle to produce quality (as opposed to quantity) of light, and if you want to shape and control the light well you really need studio flash - which comes back to a battery and inverter but, as Jonathan said, user reviews seem to be a bit thin on the ground and it's difficult to find out just how well they work in the real world.

To me, the obvious solution is battery powered studio flash, such as the Lencarta Safari Li-on or the Elinchrom Quadra Ranger. Both of the ones I've linked to are twin head kits, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
 
I wouldn't buy anything from studio-flash, their entire range is shoddy.

Bowens do a decent travelpak, as do Alienbees, and innovatronix is also very good. They have a new smaller version that is supposed to be excellent.

Again, it's always difficult to find someone who actually takes them out in the real world to test them.

Studio flash/elemental are just a dealer for the Godox, but was the best link could find for a uk supplier

They may be, it depends on a lot of different factors. The market is becoming very saturated with copies of Quantum-style battery packs, which is reducing the prices, and they certainly do the job - but you still end up with a hotshoe flash with all its limitations, which may or may not matter to you - it depends very largely on the type of work they have to do.

For sports/press photography they can be ideal, but you'll probably need to cobble a few of them together to get enough power (and you'll certainly need to if you want enough power to overwhelm the sun) which will be very expensive as well as complicated, and if you have to use them at high power settings you'll lose the advantage of short flash durations.

But hotshoe flashes struggle to produce quality (as opposed to quantity) of light, and if you want to shape and control the light well you really need studio flash - which comes back to a battery and inverter but, as Jonathan said, user reviews seem to be a bit thin on the ground and it's difficult to find out just how well they work in the real world.

To me, the obvious solution is battery powered studio flash, such as the Lencarta Safari Li-on or the Elinchrom Quadra Ranger. Both of the ones I've linked to are twin head kits, you pays your money and you takes your choice.

What would you say would be the main benefits of a dedicated portable unit like the safari over a normal studio flash using one of these inverters?
 
Studio flash/elemental are just a dealer for the Godox, but was the best link could find for a uk supplier

What would you say would be the main benefits of a dedicated portable unit like the safari over a normal studio flash using one of these inverters?
It's designed for the purpose. Basically my advice is to get mains powered lighting if the majority of your work is indoors with mains power, and get battery powered lighting if the majority of your work takes place where there is no mains power.

Having said that, the 3rd party battery thingies do allow studio flash to be used without mains power to some extent, and the battery powered units can be used indoors. In fact, the Safari Li-on can be plugged into the mains, charging the battery whilst it's being used, which means that although never is a long time, it's likely that you'll never empty it.
 
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I don't know enough about electronics to know what this means, but I'd be a little wary of a DIY job....

The old school Vagabond was notorious for having a ground spike. Paul C was adamant that for safety you needed to hammer a long rod into the ground and connect the vagabond to that. I believe the new one has some fancy circuitry to mean you don't need one but without that it might get exciting.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LnvCNyqg-k&feature=youtube_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWLMmhY0YW4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g17KuAGexM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Run a little search online and you will soon get some good results, i think i have seen someone using a modified sine wave inverter but i am not sure about using one myself.
This is on my to do list as i have some shots in mind that will require portable lighting.

"Modified" sine wave, just isn't good enough for sensitive electronics, so if you go down DIY route ensure you spec out a "Pure" sine wave inverter.

Paul
 
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paul williams said:
"Modified" sine wave, just isn't good enough for sensitive electronics, so if you go down DIY route ensure you spec out a "Pure" sine wave inverter.

Paul

Aye like i said, "Im not sure about using one"
I have already lined up the parts for this project, including a 600w constant 1000w peak load pure sine wave inverter. Just haven't got the readies for it all yet :(
 
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