Postie viciously attacked!

Nod said:
FWIW, cats are fairly easy to break bad habits out of. A simple water pistol and a little time. Watch the cat and (in the letter box case) tempt it/them into misbehaviour with a letter (or gloved finger) through the slot then every time it/they show interest in the letter or finger, squirt them. Even water loving cats dislike being squirted! Won't take too long for the cat(s) to associate playing with things poking through the slot with being squirted and they'll stop.
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Hide before you open fire though. You want the cat to associate the squirt with it's own behaviour, not you.

(This may also save you from painful revenge, usually meted out with sharp teeth and claws when your bare feet are sticking out of bed :arghh:).
 
ST4 said:
It's really simple. If you want the postie to deliver your mail you should ensure your pets don't scratch or bite the postie.
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Now we just have to educate the rest of the population Steve (y)
 
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ST4 said:
It's really simple. If you want the postie to deliver your mail you should ensure your pets don't scratch or bite the postie.
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As they (the owners) weren't aware it was happening, perhaps the RM might have given them a warning before stopping deliveries for no apparent reason, giving them a chance to rectify the situation.
 
viv1969 said:
As they (the owners) weren't aware it was happening, perhaps the RM might have given them a warning before stopping deliveries for no apparent reason, giving them a chance to rectify the situation.
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Why, so their postie could get scratched/bitten some more?

Since when has going to work and possibly leaving your shift with rabies etc ever been acceptable? IMHO RM should, if the injuries warrant it, take legal action against the said owners. The postie(s) concerned certainly should. If a robber can sue for injury on your property, shouldn't be too hard for the mail man. I'm surprised the trade union lot aren't foaming at the mouth at the thought of their members facing injury in from animals in their duties.


HTH

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It’s also possible for homeowners to be sued for damages under the Occupier’s Liability Act 1984 if a burglar is injured whilst on their property. In 2002, Brian Fearon tried to sue farmer Tony Martin (who was imprisoned for killing Fearon’s accomplice) for damages after his leg was injured whilst leading a break-in at Martin’s home in August 1999. Fearon was granted public funds to sue Martin on the grounds his injured leg had prevented him from working

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ear...rned-wire-on-windows-could-hurt-burglars.html

To be honest, when mail stops arriving and the person enquires, they can reign in their pets if they want to see their mail.
 
Rabies...:ROFLMAO:
 
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ST4 said:
Why, so their postie could get scratched/bitten some more?

Since when has going to work and possibly leaving your shift with rabies etc ever been acceptable?
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:ROFLMAO: seriously, rabies? Now I KNOW you are trying to wind people up. Yes of course the posties shouldn't have to risk fingers, but there is also a duty to let the owners know why they can't carry out the job the paid for stamp on that envelope says they should. It is not beyond the wit and wisdom of the average postie I am sure, to stick a note through with the other post before it was just stopped. Or as Ingrid said, someone popping round, or finding a phone number, or, here's an idea, pin or tape a note to the bloody front door or somewhere else likely to be found quickly by the obviously out of the house working owners.

I do wonder about you Steve, no one in this thread, including Neil as owner of the leathal weapon in question, has said it's ok for the cat to do this and several have commented on alternative ways to receive mail that keeps the postie safe from clever cats. The ONLY issue is that is being questioned and discussed is that no one thought to find a way to let Neil know why the post had been stopped. So, I can't help but think you are posting just to try and push buttons by continually harping on about the animals, something we know you are somewhat averse to and like to point out how dreadful they are at every given opportunity.
 
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Yv said:
:ROFLMAO: seriously, rabies? Now I KNOW you are trying to wind people up. Yes of course the posties shouldn't have to risk fingers, but there is also a duty to let the owners know why they can't carry out the job the paid for stamp on that envelope says they should. It is not beyond the wit and wisdom of the average postie I am sure, to stick a note through with the other post before it was just stopped. Or as Ingrid said, someone popping round, or finding a phone number, or, here's an idea, pin or tape a note to the bloody front door or somewhere else likely to be found quickly by the obviously out of the house working owners.

I do wonder about you Steve, no one in this thread, including Neil as owner of the leathal weapon in question, has said it's ok for the cat to do this and several have commented on alternative ways to receive mail that keeps the postie safe from clever cats. The ONLY issue is that is being questioned and discussed is that no one thought to find a way to let Neil know why the post had been stopped. So, I can't help but think you are posting just to try and push buttons by continually harping on about the animals, something we know you are somewhat averse to and like to point out how dreadful they are at every given opportunity.
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It was tongue in cheek....pet owners always seem to get really defensive....merely a satirical musing...

Its the age old bus driver/train gaurd situation. Whilst they expect in their day to day role to get flack, awkward customers etc, they shouldn't have to face personal injury and assault which alas they do. I'd also add an anecdote of mine, if that is allowed. I know a postie, was delivering the mail and the house owners had an aggressive nasty dog. He got bit on the leg quite badly. This was in the days before they decided enough was enough and just stopped delivering the mail but the police ended up involved etc. Whilst the cat case is midly funny, there is a serious undertone to the thread.

On the trains abusive passangers get arrested if they assault/injure a train gaurd. Why, if a postie is injured, should RM not take immediate action to protect it's staff?

I fully support RM in protecting their staff first and foremost. It is how an employer should act. There's also the liability aspect to their thinking too. The employee may begin legal proceedings over unsafe practices at work etc.
 
PS, the not delivering the mail acts as a warning. It would be abudantly clear, within a week that mail was not arriving. The person would contact RM, if they had anything between the ears to work out why, and then be told. RM have to safe gaurd their staff 1st and foremost. The advice would be given re animal injury and the owner could recifty the situation and RM start delivery again. It's not as if RM said right, your cat scratched our staff member, we are calling the police, sueing and never delivering mail to that address so long as you are resident in it. That is drastic action. Ceasing delivery for a bit, really isn't.
 
A satirical musing...hmmm.... giving you 2/10 for that one, must try harder if you want to make it to the pages of Private Eye. Still, keep practicing eh :p

As for RM, seriously I haven't seen anyone disagree with your points, nor get defensive about pets so pointless point maybe? Or let me spin it around, if your post was stopped for ANY reason, wouldn't you expect them to take reasonable steps to let you know why? Especially as they HAD already been contacted once and said nothing about it being stopped, only that it there was nothing waiting at the sorting office. So they were given a chance to explain without having to go near the house and chose not to do so. Crap customer service imo.
 
Yv said:
. Crap customer service imo.
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I think Ingrid or some mentioned that the "notice to quit" may have been
in the undelivered mail, if so, that's truly ironic :D

Still it could have been worse, it could have been one of yours,
I've seen the size of those things, scratch?
He'd / she'd be lucky not to have been dragged through the letter box and given a right kicking :D
 
ST4 said:
PS, the not delivering the mail acts as a warning. It would be abudantly clear, within a week that mail was not arriving. The person would contact RM, if they had anything between the ears to work out why, and then be told. RM have to safe gaurd their staff 1st and foremost. The advice would be given re animal injury and the owner could recifty the situation and RM start delivery again. It's not as if RM said right, your cat scratched our staff member, we are calling the police, sueing and never delivering mail to that address so long as you are resident in it. That is drastic action. Ceasing delivery for a bit, really isn't.
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Like I said, we contacted rm twice. First time over a week ago and were told there was no issue or post waiting. Only contacting them for a second time highlighted an issue.
 
Withdrawing postal deliveries isn't a warning.
A letter to the occupiers warning that postal deliveries will be withdrawn unless they address the situation is a warning.
And as Yv previously said, they had already been lied to by the RM when they enquired. Surely that would have been the perfect opportunity for them to issue even a verbal warning regarding the postie eating Bengal Tiger on the premises. :lol:
 
Yv said:
A satirical musing...hmmm.... giving you 2/10 for that one, must try harder if you want to make it to the pages of Private Eye. Still, keep practicing eh :p

As for RM, seriously I haven't seen anyone disagree with your points, nor get defensive about pets so pointless point maybe? Or let me spin it around, if your post was stopped for ANY reason, wouldn't you expect them to take reasonable steps to let you know why? Especially as they HAD already been contacted once and said nothing about it being stopped, only that it there was nothing waiting at the sorting office. So they were given a chance to explain without having to go near the house and chose not to do so. Crap customer service imo.
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No I wouldn't. I don't pay RM to deliver to me. I pay to post things, which is an entirely different thing.

People go on and on about customer service, but in reality, the person that should have the grievance is that whom sent the post, not those receiving it, they didn't pay for its delivery....
 
@Cobra :lol: Good job they are all total softies really. Mind you, yes they could very easily reach the letter box and push a paw between flap and into the brushes, if they wanted to and if they were even given a chance. Mind you, whether they would be clever enough to do so is another matter. For example, we have one that can hook a paw around a slightly ajar door and pull it open. Quite a feat of understanding from a cats POV, yes? Moreso when I tell you the same cat is so stupid he will sit on the other side of the same slightly ajar a door meowing pitifully because he can't think to use his not inconsiderable weight/size to simply push the bloody thing open the way all the others do :banghead:
 
ST4 said:
No I wouldn't. I don't pay RM to deliver to me. I pay to post things, which is an entirely different thing.

People go on and on about customer service, but in reality, the person that should have the grievance is that whom sent the post, not those receiving it, they didn't pay for its delivery....
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:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO::clap: now THATS satire
 
neil_g said:
Oh good lord. Some people just can't help themselves with stirring comments.

And cats might be good climbers but I'm yet to see one scale a plain upvc door to get a paw out of a letterbox.

So much for a lighthearted thread...
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Oh believe me, they most certainly do! We used to have Cat that attacked our Post lady through the letterbox and made a right mess of her fingers.
 
Yv said:
Moreso when I tell you the same cat is so stupid he will sit on the other side of the same slightly ajar a door meowing pitifully because he can't think to use his not inconsiderable weight/size to simply push the bloody thing open the way all the others do :banghead:
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PMSL yep that just about sums it up :D

Although we had a couple of cats years ago, the tom (Neutered I hasten to add ;) )
was by far the smartest, he'd sit by the fridge and keep picking at it, until he got
a claw inside the seal, to break it.
and then pull it open. b****r!
And yes he did help himself too :D
His sister would just sit there looking gormless waiting for the all you could eat buffet to open :D
We had to leave a chair in front of it in the end :D

Before I got around to putting a cat flap in, he would jump up, at the back door, grab the handle and pull it down,
He hit the door with such a force, it swung open,
his sister would just sit there looking gormless, until
her brother opened the door for her.

Bloody cats never did learn to shut it behind them though :D
 
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ST4 said:
No I wouldn't. I don't pay RM to deliver to me. I pay to post things, which is an entirely different thing.

People go on and on about customer service, but in reality, the person that should have the grievance is that whom sent the post, not those receiving it, they didn't pay for its delivery....
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Wish I had a pound for every time I have had to explain that when I was stuck in the office during the summer (y)
If you are expecting something and it doesn't turn up then it's not you but the person that sent it that has to claim compensation
the contract to deliver is with them.

Yes RM can sue home owners for any sort of damage, at the moment with the bad weather and floods we are told to
go careful and not put ourselves at risk from things caused by it.

Ok so the cat that tried to get me was climbing a wooden door :)

TBH I'm not surprised you didn't get the answer the first time you called, liason between staff can be pretty lax at times
if people listen at all, but in my case I would have asked you for a contact number so I could check with the delivery person
and get back to you.
 
neil_g said:
That's good going! Ours would be at full stretch to the letterbox with nothing to grip to so the postie would have to insert fingers to get caught.
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The embarrassing part, is that I'm also a Postie, although I've never been attacked by a Cat, but several dogs have had me. On a side note, I wish that every householder would just try posting a letter through their own letterbox, but only with one hand (our other hand/arm is usually holding a bundle of mail). It can be a little tricky sometimes. (y)
 
ST4 said:
With just a hint of truth behind it all.

Is it just me or do I hate getting the mail. It's always bills to pay, or rubbish that goes in the shredded then into the recycling bin. I should go out and buy a very big angry dog....
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I have wondered before now whether it would worth just letting the dogs at the post before we get to it ;)

TheAndyA said:
The embarrassing part, is that I'm also a Postie, although I've never been attacked by a Cat, but several dogs have had me. On a side note, I wish that every householder would just try posting a letter through their own letterbox, but only with one hand (our other hand/arm is usually holding a bundle of mail). It can be a little tricky sometimes. (y)
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this is one of those little things that has always niggled at me - we all want to be energy efficient/savemoney, so many of us have the draught brushes and internal flaps installed, but still expect the postie to delivered pristine envelopes every time :thinking: The only time I've been annoyed was when we had a holiday cover postie who decided to post the flat cardboard parcel with DO NOT BEND in huge big letters across both side, through a letter box it patently wasn't designed to fit through - yep, photographic prints, for a client - with a lovely fold about a 3rd of the way through them where he thought the message on the package wasn't for him and he could make it fit. I am aware that the contract is actually with the sender, so I took photographs, including one of it next to the 2cm's too small letterbox and mailed them to the lab, who sent another set promptly and dealt with it their end. No idea whether that would have got passed the 200 miles between offices though so that the postie responsible was made aware.
 
Yv said:
I have wondered before now whether it would worth just letting the dogs at the post before we get to it ;)



this is one of those little things that has always niggled at me - we all want to be energy efficient/savemoney, so many of us have the draught brushes and internal flaps installed, but still expect the postie to delivered pristine envelopes every time :thinking: The only time I've been annoyed was when we had a holiday cover postie who decided to post the flat cardboard parcel with DO NOT BEND in huge big letters across both side, through a letter box it patently wasn't designed to fit through - yep, photographic prints, for a client - with a lovely fold about a 3rd of the way through them where he thought the message on the package wasn't for him and he could make it fit. I am aware that the contract is actually with the sender, so I took photographs, including one of it next to the 2cm's too small letterbox and mailed them to the lab, who sent another set promptly and dealt with it their end. No idea whether that would have got passed the 200 miles between offices though so that the postie responsible was made aware.
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Yes, I'd have been rather p*ssed off too.
 
ST4 said:
With just a hint of truth behind it all.

Is it just me or do I hate getting the mail. It's always bills to pay, or rubbish that goes in the shredded then into the recycling bin. I should go out and buy a very big angry dog....
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FFS Steve, just when I think there can't be anything left that you don't like, up you pop with this:p
 
Yv said:
I have wondered before now whether it would worth just letting the dogs at the post before we get to it ;)



this is one of those little things that has always niggled at me - we all want to be energy efficient/savemoney, so many of us have the draught brushes and internal flaps installed, but still expect the postie to delivered pristine envelopes every time :thinking: The only time I've been annoyed was when we had a holiday cover postie who decided to post the flat cardboard parcel with DO NOT BEND in huge big letters across both side, through a letter box it patently wasn't designed to fit through - yep, photographic prints, for a client - with a lovely fold about a 3rd of the way through them where he thought the message on the package wasn't for him and he could make it fit. I am aware that the contract is actually with the sender, so I took photographs, including one of it next to the 2cm's too small letterbox and mailed them to the lab, who sent another set promptly and dealt with it their end. No idea whether that would have got passed the 200 miles between offices though so that the postie responsible was made aware.
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Reminds me of the (possible UL) story about a reinforced A4 envelope containing photos and clearly marked "Photographs Do Not Bend" being pushed through the letter box with a handwritten addendum to the sticker which read "Oh yes they do!"
 
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Cobra said:
PMSL yep that just about sums it up :D

Although we had a couple of cats years ago, the tom (Neutered I hasten to add ;) )
was by far the smartest, he'd sit by the fridge and keep picking at it, until he got
a claw inside the seal, to break it.
and then pull it open. b****r!
And yes he did help himself too :D
His sister would just sit there looking gormless waiting for the all you could eat buffet to open :D
We had to leave a chair in front of it in the end :D

Before I got around to putting a cat flap in, he would jump up, at the back door, grab the handle and pull it down,
He hit the door with such a force, it swung open,
his sister would just sit there looking gormless, until
her brother opened the door for her.

Bloody cats never did learn to shut it behind them though :D
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:lol: missed that yesterday but yes, we have a different one that can open doors via handles. If it's a loose handle/catch he can do it by standing up and just pulling/pushing, stiffer ones he needs something next to it to stand on the handle. Yet a different one works with the dogs, none of them are 'officially' allowed on kitchen worktops, but woe betide we leave anything edible on there as Ella thinks the rule doesn't apply to her. If it's to her taste, she will be on there to help herself, if she isn't fond, she will do everything she can to ensure its ends up on the floor where she can then watch 2 JRT's fight for it. All I can say is thank god none of them have figured out the fridge trick!!
 
Yv said:
.... if she isn't fond, she will do everything she can to ensure its ends up on the floor where she can then watch 2 JRT's fight for it !
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PMSL little madam! :D
 
Anywhere a cat can go it will (and if it can't get there' it'll give it a damn good try!!!)

Many years ago we had a lab and a Siamese who would hunt as a pack - cat would find boxes of chocolates and knock them down for dog and dog would open the fridge. These days, it's me who finds the chocs and raids the fridge...
 
Nod said:
These days, it's me who finds the chocs and raids the fridge...
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Just curious, are you admitting to being a dog or a pussy?
:p
 
That rarest of creatures - a pussy hound...

Actually, just a fridge raider these days.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
FFS Steve, just when I think there can't be anything left that you don't like, up you pop with this:p
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If you read my bank statements you'd understand. Nothing, other than stuff I buy online good comes in the post. I'd be quite happy, other than my parcels, for them to stop delivering stuff to me as I manage everything online.
 
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