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I actually watched this debate on TV and i agree with the new system 150%. Ive worked with children and vulnerable adults all of my working life...the old CRBs are a waste of time, you have to get a new one at EVERY place you work at a cost of £35 a time and the CRB is only effective from the day it is released after that until it is renewed it is useless, however wih the new system it is automatically updated if someone is arrested or convicted of something which disables them from working with vulnerable people and employers can check this on a regular basis....i think this is great and considering id love to get into photography on a more regular basis, it would be perfect as i wouldnt have to keep renewing this as id already have it from my primary work!! i think anyone who objects to this has something to hide and i know thats harsh its just how i feel!!
right im gonna get off my soap box and go and get ready for work!! be interesting to hear everyone elses views
right im gonna get off my soap box and go and get ready for work!! be interesting to hear everyone elses views
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What about the thousands of people of perfectly good character and with no criminal record who will no longer volunteer to do the things they used to do because they couldn't be bothered with the registration.
This is society's loss.
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It does turn into one more hassle, one I myself probably wouldn't want to bother with. Not because I have anything to hide, but because of possible time / money consumption.
Although having kids myself I want them to be as safe as possible so can see the logic behind these schemes, although I would guess these crimes dont occur more now than say 20 years ago, they are now just more at the forefront of news.
Although having kids myself I want them to be as safe as possible so can see the logic behind these schemes, although I would guess these crimes dont occur more now than say 20 years ago, they are now just more at the forefront of news.
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The old (current) system requires a CRB check for anyone who will be alone with children. There is no need for a check if someone is assisting an already checked person. I see no reason why this criteria has to change.
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Yes I have to agree, as a parent this seems like a good idea. But does it actually work? or does it just make people complacent... Sounds to me like its a tax for working with children. I feel sorry for low income workers such as school cleaners who may only do 2 hours a night at minimum wage - £64 is a weeks pay.
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I don't think they will need it. Even if they do, their employer will need to pay for it.
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I'm not a parent, but I was a youth leader, and I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
I think the BBC made it worse with John Humphries continually saying that it affected every parent who took their kids to a football match or who took their friends kids as well.
It is a system to reassure parents that the people being put forward by clubs and schools as being appropriate adults to be involved with their kids have had some sort of check done.
Surely that's the minimum you would want for your kids?
It doesn't really address the main issue of abuse, which is that it is usually done by parents or close relatives/family friends, but to me it seems a worthwhile step.
I think the BBC made it worse with John Humphries continually saying that it affected every parent who took their kids to a football match or who took their friends kids as well.
It is a system to reassure parents that the people being put forward by clubs and schools as being appropriate adults to be involved with their kids have had some sort of check done.
Surely that's the minimum you would want for your kids?
It doesn't really address the main issue of abuse, which is that it is usually done by parents or close relatives/family friends, but to me it seems a worthwhile step.
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Ok, my two penneth...
I personally would object to having a CRB in many circumstances. Not cause I have anything to hide and my name has only ever appeared in police documents as a victim or a witness. The reason I would object is because I believe it's pointless. It's saying "I don't trust you unless you can prove that you haven't been caught doing anything dodgy until x date" and "caught" being the operative word - it doesn't prove that a person has never done anything, just that they've never been caught.
Justthe way I feel - I feel it's pretty pointless TBH
I personally would object to having a CRB in many circumstances. Not cause I have anything to hide and my name has only ever appeared in police documents as a victim or a witness. The reason I would object is because I believe it's pointless. It's saying "I don't trust you unless you can prove that you haven't been caught doing anything dodgy until x date" and "caught" being the operative word - it doesn't prove that a person has never done anything, just that they've never been caught.
Justthe way I feel - I feel it's pretty pointless TBH
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I am a parent and I have help out on several residential school trips for the shool that my daughters go to. It really is no big deal to get a CRB done, the school paid for mine. I also understand the argument that they are pointless, but and as far as I am concerned it is a big BUT, it does put the parents minds at ease, I know they only mean that someone has not been caught so they still might have done something. Syrely it is better that than no checks at all.
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I work in a school, and whenever we take on anyone new, a CRB has to be done, even if the person is going to be working with kids a few hours a week. It's also at the schools cost.
At the end of the day, it's the childrens safety that is most important, so these things are neccessary i guess.
At the end of the day, it's the childrens safety that is most important, so these things are neccessary i guess.
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This is just more red tape and hoops for people to hurdle though if they wish to volunteer for good causes. The current system isn't perfect, but this new one is so heavy handed it's going to put off more and more people from doing good things.
Take for example a retired man who drives the cub/scout mini-bus, and thats it, he never comes in to close contact with children and never comes into contact when there isnt a cub leader present. As I understand, in the current system he wouldn't need a CRB. But the new scheme would require him to have the check. WHY??? What exactly could he get up to whilst driving a bus under the supervision of the already checked cub leaders?
It's just going too far.
P.s. I'm a teacher working with 3 - 5 year olds - keeping children safe is a significant part of my job!
Take for example a retired man who drives the cub/scout mini-bus, and thats it, he never comes in to close contact with children and never comes into contact when there isnt a cub leader present. As I understand, in the current system he wouldn't need a CRB. But the new scheme would require him to have the check. WHY??? What exactly could he get up to whilst driving a bus under the supervision of the already checked cub leaders?
It's just going too far.
P.s. I'm a teacher working with 3 - 5 year olds - keeping children safe is a significant part of my job!
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What ever did people do before CRB's were invented - how did society cope?
that's not entirely true
I have a CRB and i have been arrested 4 times, charged and convicted twice and managed to negotiate my way out of charges another 2 times.
but all were either drink or violence related and involved mitigating circumstances.
i was quite surprised when i was sent a CRB.
I think the whole CRB thing is a waste of time, kids are fiddled with by friends and family, so maybe relatives should have CRBs:nuts:
And if you were allowed to take photos at sports days you lot would soon suss the perv
In fact the only good thing about my CRB is it has given me a clean sheet and makes me think a bit more before acting in a rash manner.
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After reading a few of the posts on here I've just thought, is "putting parents minds at ease" making it easier for children to get abused as parents relax and stop being so vigilant? Are we giving those people who should be being very vigilant the easy out by giving them the ability of being able to say "But he had a check done so that meant he was safe!".
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Regarding photographing kids at sports events the the Young Athlete League sponsored by McCain have the correct approach.
It was the UK finals the other weekend and as part of the information pack sent to qualifying teams they had a section along the lines of
One of the main worrying things about the new ISA checks is that they will listen and take into account gossip and rumour, even if there is no evidence or facts.
It was the UK finals the other weekend and as part of the information pack sent to qualifying teams they had a section along the lines of
One of the main worrying things about the new ISA checks is that they will listen and take into account gossip and rumour, even if there is no evidence or facts.