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Dawn.Calinski

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Hi Dawn
I have just subscribed to this myself paying monthly. I am happy to subscribe because it means I will always have the latest program versions for the same price every month. I look at it that I am always editing my photos and to use the latest photoshop and lightroom cots me less than I normally pay for spotify. I am not sure you can buy the latest adobe products outright?
 
I signed up during a special deal at £7 something, but if you are a business you can provide your VAT number and they don't charge you the VAT.

next year it will go back to £8.99 ( less the VAT ), whatever that is.
 
I subscribe too, but I think I missed that deal so I pay £8.57 (inclusive of VAT). My reason for subscribing, besides getting the latest upgrades, is that I wouldn't have to pay a ridiculous amount to buy the CD. I think this way is becoming a trend among software companies, what with all these cloud apps coming at you left right and centre. Microsoft have a PAYG solution too. Besides Photoshop and Lightroom I also subscribe to Illustrator.
 
If I needed the latest version of PS then I'd subscribe. However, there are alternatives that are sufficient - so I don't. LR I pay for when a new version arrives. £60 every few years makes much more sense.
 
I've just started a thread on this, sorry Dawn I didnt realise you had one going. I'm currently thinking of buying LR5 and getting Elements 13 (Im just on elements 9 at the mo). I really dont want to pay £100 per year.
 
Raptor Mike said:
I'm currently thinking of buying LR5 and getting Elements 13 (Im just on elements 9 at the mo). I really dont want to pay £100 per year.
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LR 5 (full version) will cost around £100, Elements (Upgrade) around £60.
What you need to consider is how often you might upgrade and factor that in, bearing in mind that LR is updated about 18 months to 2 yrs and Elements always seems to have new versions coming out.
Then work out how long that sum would buy you a CC subscription for.

Personally, I wouldn't touch Elements since it's too limiting in what it can do - specifically regarding 16-bit image support.
I have a "perpetual" version of CS6 and I update LightRoom when I think it's worth it.

At least by going the CC route you have the full version of PS and always have the latest updates, but I'm not about to go that route since what I have does everything I need, and I'm OK with paying for an LR upgrade when I consider I need it.
 
Brian G said:
I have a "perpetual" version of CS6 and I update LightRoom when I think it's worth it.
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Which is exactly what I do. However, getting a copy of CS6 from a reputable source isn't easy.

If I were looking for something to use alongside LightRoom then I'd be looking at Perect Photo Suite, ACDSee and PaintShop (I've actually got PPS9 and I'm finding it does a lot that PS used to do).
 
Im not bothered about always being up to date, I'm still on elements 9 lol. I hadn't even thought about the 16 bit aspect until I downloaded the light room trial on Monday. I really like elements because of layers and the ability to save an edited file where I want, although I think you can do this with export in LR5.

Having used PSE9 for so long I'm finding LR very confusing but am starting to like it. What I really like about it is the ability to go back and change clarity, vibrance, etc which you can't do in elements without going back into ACR.

I wanted to get lightroom to use with elements, but as said in my thread elements doesn't seem to like LR edited RAWs, which is really bad of Adobe.
 
Raptor Mike said:
Im not bothered about always being up to date, I'm still on elements 9 lol. I hadn't even thought about the 16 bit aspect until I downloaded the light room trial on Monday. I really like elements because of layers and the ability to save an edited file where I want, although I think you can do this with export in LR5.

Having used PSE9 for so long I'm finding LR very confusing but am starting to like it. What I really like about it is the ability to go back and change clarity, vibrance, etc which you can't do in elements without going back into ACR.

I wanted to get lightroom to use with elements, but as said in my thread elements doesn't seem to like LR edited RAWs, which is really bad of Adobe.
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LR is a pain to get used to IMO, Photoshop CC works really well for me and the monthly cost I find quite reasonable compared to the original buying/upgrade costs of the product.
 
The only advantage of paying monthly instead of buying outright other than updates is cc. If cc doesn't bother you then you may as well pay a one off. I'm gonna try cc and see if its worth it I think.
 
I have PS CS6 and a bunch of other RAW engines and I can't see me needing much else, of course I don't know what wonders you subscribers are getting and wouldn't mind if you would let on what's new. I object to having to pay rent especially as if I can't pay they take it away. I could afford it now but probably won't always be able to. Another problem I foresee is that at some point your hardware requirements are going to be driven by the software manufacturers you are renting from. If the system requirements change and yours don't match but Adobe, or whoever, keeps pushing the updates at you what happens then? This is likely to be a problem with Mac users before Microsoft but back support for OS seems to be getting shorter. Of course even buy to own software is doing this but at least it's my decision to stick with what I've got if needs be.

I can see the attraction of it if it's your job but that's not the case with me.
 
hollis_f said:
Which is exactly what I do. However, getting a copy of CS6 from a reputable source isn't easy.
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I was a confirmed PaintShop Pro user until I finally succumbed and laid out for PS CS6.
You CAN still buy CS6 from Adobe, but because they want you to sign up for CC they make it very difficult to find on their site, however it is here at £644 if you are interested.
It's also available at full price from Amazon, but I got my copy of CS6 at half price from these people.
I was extremely suspicious of how this worked, after all at half price there must be a snag?
Their guarantee seemed solid so I took the plunge and paid up.
They send you a download link and having downloaded and installed the software you are directed to the Adobe site where you register it.
You need an Adobe ID, but having Lightroom I already had one.
It all registered OK with no problems and everything runs just fine.
My fears were unfounded, and I don't know why everyone doesn't buy their software in this way - after all 50% is a great discount (although it's still a lot of money.)
I opted for the electronic download, and I made sure I kept the file before installing. I also burned the download to a couple of CD's so I have backups in case I ever need to reinstall
 
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Took the plunge last night, downloaded and installed in about 10mins and then another 10 for lightroom and at last I can view RAW files from my D810, so all good here it seems.
 
Just looking at this myself, but there seems to be a massive issue with their pricing structure

LR and Photoshop can be had for £8.57 per month (Photography Package)

Photoshop on its own is £26.68 per month

How can this be, do you get the full blown version of Photoshop in with the "Photography" package, can any confirm this before i buy it??
 
Yes, full version of PS with the Photographer package.
 
Can anyone tell me if Elements 13 will handle 16bit files from LR5. Or is it a case of that if you want to do more editing involving layers you really need CC/CS6 to work along side LR5?
 
Don't mean to hijack this thread however I have a year code for the photography plan in the classifieds section if anyone is after a bargain.
 
Raptor Mike said:
Can anyone tell me if Elements 13 will handle 16bit files from LR5. Or is it a case of that if you want to do more editing involving layers you really need CC/CS6 to work along side LR5?
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It's been a while since I tried Elements (I think it was v6) so it may have changed, but I will say that 16-bit support in Elements is "Limited" - it just depends what you want to do, some tools support 16-bit and others don't.
I remember frequently seeing a message that said "This image needs to be reduced to 8-bit color before using this tool" quite often.
As I said, it's been a while since I tried it and I cannot remember which tools worked in which mode.
I do recall that PaintShop Pro offered much better 16-bit support than Elements, which is why I used it, but I switched to CS6 a while back so it's no longer an issue.
 
Brian G said:
It's been a while since I tried Elements (I think it was v6) so it may have changed, but I will say that 16-bit support in Elements is "Limited" - it just depends what you want to do, some tools support 16-bit and others don't.
I remember frequently seeing a message that said "This image needs to be reduced to 8-bit color before using this tool" quite often.
As I said, it's been a while since I tried it and I cannot remember which tools worked in which mode.
I do recall that PaintShop Pro offered much better 16-bit support than Elements, which is why I used it, but I switched to CS6 a while back so it's no longer an issue.
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Yes I'm on elements 9 at the moment and you can't make a new layer without changing to 8bit, and lets face it layers it whats so good about elements. I wondered if this is something they've sorted now its elements13, but I suppose that's what cs6 is for.

Is CC the same as CS6?
 
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I speak from ignorance here as I haven't tried CC although I have CS6. I think that if you only want it to process photos then there probably isn't much difference so far. I believe they have improved some bits such as sharpening but the extra benefits are more to do with it being a cloud based service and if you want what that offers then it's probably a bit more interesting.

Funnily enough I think Adobe left it a bit late before introducing the subscription plan as CS6 is pretty highly developed and new, snazzy tricks are getting harder to come by. They've been working on a method of sharpening real out of focus images for a while but I don't know how far they've got. It might be in CC but a subscriber will have to tell us but I would think it would be like content aware fill that is great in some circumstances but not the cure for all ills.

As usual it comes down to what you want or need. As I said above I prefer to have something that I have some control over, especially when it's as good as CS6 but I would be very interested in feedback from CC users telling us if it's different or better and if it does things that are really useful that you can't get elsewhere.

There are a couple of sites doing comparisons but a lot seem to be mainly promoting CC. The one I found that seemed more balanced kept throwing up a box trying to get me to sign up to something, but have a look.
 
Merluza said:
I speak from ignorance here as I haven't tried CC although I have CS6. I think that if you only want it to process photos then there probably isn't much difference so far. I believe they have improved some bits such as sharpening but the extra benefits are more to do with it being a cloud based service and if you want what that offers then it's probably a bit more interesting.


Funnily enough I think Adobe left it a bit late before introducing the subscription plan as CS6 is pretty highly developed and new, snazzy tricks are getting harder to come by. They've been working on a method of sharpening real out of focus images for a while but I don't know how far they've got. It might be in CC but a subscriber will have to tell us but I would think it would be like content aware fill that is great in some circumstances but not the cure for all ills .
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I'm in exactly the same situation and I agree with your comments.
Because CS6 is so highly developed Adobe cannot keep trotting out "improved" versions every couple of years so they need the steady income that a subscription version brings.
Personally, I'm not so much concerned with the monthly subscription as I am with what might happen when you STOP subscribing, especially if you have large numbers of native format (.psd) or layers based files that may be inaccessible with other software.
With a "perpetual" version of CS6 I will still be able to access all of my files even if I haven't used the program for months or even years (operating systems permitting).
With CC, if I stop paying, although I will still have the files on my hard drive, I will not be able to properly access them.
I suppose one argument might be to use Elements to access historical files, but I prefer to work in 16-bit, and I've found that 16-bit support in Elements is very limited.

Merluza said:
As usual it comes down to what you want or need. As I said above I prefer to have something that I have some control over, especially when it's as good as CS6 but I would be very interested in feedback from CC users telling us if it's different or better and if it does things that are really useful that you can't get elsewhere.
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I'm very much with you on this.
I've seen quite a lot of people who have said that CS6 does everything they need and they will continue to use it as long as it will still run, and I currently feel the same way.
 
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