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Are there no depths to which the government won't plunge to fleece the working public.

Pay per mile tax has been proposed to start at 75p per mile.

Sheesh! That's £135 for me to get to work and back each week and that doesn't include fuel.
 
soupdragon said:
Are there no depths to which the government won't plunge to fleece the working public.

Pay per mile tax has been proposed to start at 75p per mile.

Sheesh! That's £135 for me to get to work and back each week and that doesn't include fuel.
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It probably will be a con, BUT I would assume that road tax would be zero and there would be no duty on fuel?
 
soupdragon said:
Are there no depths to which the government won't plunge to fleece the working public.

Pay per mile tax has been proposed to start at 75p per mile.

Sheesh! That's £135 for me to get to work and back each week and that doesn't include fuel.
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The government are looking into pay per mile as a means to make up for lost revenue from the growing number of electric vehicles. Duty on fuel will fall as a result or the pay per mile will be low it will all even itself out.
The government haven't announced a figure, the 75p has come from a motoring "expert".
The other option to fill the deficit in revenue is charge more for electricity. That will go on everybody's household bills, including people that don't have a car and don't drive.
Governments have looked into a pay per mile a few times in the past and a figure of 2p per mile was looking realistic.
75p per mile would just lead to people using their cars less and they would still have a deficit in revenue.
 
This so called drive to reduce plant food all seems a bit excessive and ill conceived.
 
cambsno said:
It probably will be a con, BUT I would assume that road tax would be zero and there would be no duty on fuel?
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Zero road tax would probably save on average around a tenner a month, I fill my car about every 3 weeks so I'd save approximately £12.50 a week then spend £95 a week in milage costs!

That said, 75p a mile would be absurd and completely unworkable.
 
RAC Insurance have a pay per mile car insurance for people that do low miles per year.

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Even if it were 2p/mile it would still more than double my current level of annual taxation.
 
soupdragon said:
Even if it were 2p/mile it would still more than double my current level of annual taxation.
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So far as I can see, the only taxes which do not hit the poor harder than they hit the rich, are graduated income and wealth taxes. Any consumption tax will inevitably increase the gap between rich and poor.
 
Marc said:
Based on you number in you 1st post, 2p a mile would be around 3.50 a week. That's £182 per year. Do you currently only pay £90 per year in road and petrol tax?
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Maybe my math is poor. I do on average 160 miles per week.
 
soupdragon said:
Maybe my math is poor. I do on average 160 miles per week.
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At 2p per mile, that would be £3.20 per week.

I do a similar number of miles (normally) and I'd be pretty happy with that if duty was removed from fuel (I don't pay road tax).


That said, I doubt they'd removed all the duty from fuel or even any of it.
 
2 questions
1) Does that only apply to private cars?
I used to do about a 1,000 miles week.
in a company van.

2) does that only apply for commuting?
What about people that use cars for other reasons, such as shopping.

Ok make that 3

3) how will they check? will it be done retrospectively on the mot mileage from last year?
That could be one hell of an annual bill, And, in that scenario, they can't keep tabs on newer cars, under 3 years old.

I see this as another smoke and mirrors tax.
release the worse scenario to the population, and eventually slide in a lesser tax ( somehow) and people will actually be grateful
as it not as bad as they expected ..
But still would have caused a real hoohar had that one been mention, initially.
 
Cobra said:
1) Does that only apply to private cars?
I used to do about a 1,000 miles week.
in a company van.
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Can't see why it would only apply to private vehicles

Cobra said:
2) does that only apply for commuting?
What about people that use cars for other reasons, such as shopping.
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Why would it only apply to commuting?

Cobra said:
3) how will they check? will it be done retrospectively on the mot mileage from last year?
That could be one hell of an annual bill, And, in that scenario, they can't keep tabs on newer cars, under 3 years old.
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At a guess, they'd find a way to monitor your vehicle's mileage although how that would work in older cars, I haven't a clue.
 
At 2p / mile, I would be saving £20 a year. If they had brought it in this time last year, I would have saved almost £70 in VED.
 
Marc said:
At a guess, they'd find a way to monitor your vehicle's mileage although how that would work in older cars, I haven't a clue.
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I believe they were talking about a box fitted to cars like young drivers can have for their insurance.
 
Before getting too fussed about it, we should bear in mind that this was a kite flying excercise that crashed and burned in 2017. All the current newspaper reports seem to refer to "rumours" or "unnamed sources".
 
Marc said:
Can't see why it would only apply to private vehicles



Why would it only apply to commuting?



At a guess, they'd find a way to monitor your vehicle's mileage although how that would work in older cars, I haven't a clue.
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All those would have been my assumption too.
There will be a hell of an up roar from the transport community in general.
Black boxes are appearing in cars more and more these days, so I guess that would be one way.

But in reality, as I said ...

Cobra said:
I see this as another smoke and mirrors tax.
release the worse scenario to the population, and eventually slide in a lesser tax ( somehow) and people will actually be grateful
as it not as bad as they expected ..
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AndrewFlannigan said:
Before getting too fussed about it, we should bear in mind that this was a kite flying excercise that crashed and burned in 2017. All the current newspaper reports seem to refer to "rumours" or "unnamed sources".
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Back in 2017 there wasn't many electric cars on the road though, as their numbers grow, there will be less and less revenue raised. They are also going to reduce the grant on electric cars and reduce the price limit on cars that are eligible, due to the amount it is costing them. They have got to claw the money back somehow.
 
I cannot imagine for a moment any Government waving goodbye to the tax revenue it gets from motorists, as EVs replace ICE powered cars they will be looking for ways of recovering the loss of VED, fuel duty & VAT, rest assured. A 'pay as you use' tax, mileage based would seem to be fair IF the tax revenue was to pay for buliding and maintaining roads as all road users cause wear & tear, however it would punish those users who have no alternative but to drive everywhere, particularly in rural areas. Sadly I fear we motorists are just 'cash cows' to the Government.
 
broc said:
as EVs replace ICE powered cars they will be looking for ways of recovering the loss of VED, fuel duty & VAT, rest assured
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You beat me to that. ;)

Around about the next election, the politicians will realise just what electric cars will do to the tax base and that the "green" voter base won't replace the millions who will be upset that they (those who have to pay petrol duty) are subsidising the wealthy who can afford to change. Just look down any terraced street and think how many votes it holds...

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Black boxes fitted to cars could do away with speed cameras :)
 
Cobra said:
Don't you bloody start giving them ideas :p
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Why not, extra revenue for all breaking the speed limit would more then cover the loss in tax (y)
 
They have a law going through parliament to force gypsies/travellers to have travel papers, that would'nt wash if they forced it on everyone, so this is just another way to restrict our freedom of movement.
 
Gremlin said:
Why not, extra revenue for all breaking the speed limit would more then cover the loss in tax (y)
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Another big brother tactic (n)
But it'd certainly reduce the amount of cars on the road as people hit the 12 points inadvertently.
Best bet is to remove all the speed limit signs and let people guess...
 
I did 745 miles in the last 12 months so at 2p per mile it would cost me £14.90, which is £14.90 more than my road tax!! Money grabbing expletives.
 
Pay per mile tax and ppm insurance would make it more realistic to have several different vehicles though, eg the old Landie, classic sports, everyday runaround, long distance mile-muncher. Just a thought.
 
8000 miles per annum at :2p, £160, my road tax is £560 per year, £400 saving, I'd be happy even if fuel costs were static I might even do more miles.
 
The thing is if they say take all tax off fuel and replace it with this it almost encourages people to get faster cars again, I mean why pay 2p a mile in a 1lt when you could have a 4lt and pay the same.
I do about 12k a year with free tax.
 
robj20 said:
The thing is if they say take all tax off fuel and replace it with this it almost encourages people to get faster cars again, I mean why pay 2p a mile in a 1lt when you could have a 4lt and pay the same.
I do about 12k a year with free tax.
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They make take fuel duty off the cost of petrol/diesel but I doubt they would take VAT off fuel, so you would still be paying for the fuel & VAT to feed the 4Litre engine......
 
robj20 said:
The thing is if they say take all tax off fuel and replace it with this it almost encourages people to get faster cars again, I mean why pay 2p a mile in a 1lt when you could have a 4lt and pay the same.
I do about 12k a year with free tax.
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Road Tax on my Focus RS is identical to a 1.0 Focus.
I very much doubt if all tax would be removed from petrol and diesel.
 
Surely any pay per mile rate should vary depending on the vehicle, seeing as it's always supposed to be about emissions?
 
gman said:
Surely any pay per mile rate should vary depending on the vehicle, seeing as it's always supposed to be about emissions?
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Not all VED is based on emissions though, which is why I pay £150 for my 2.3 Focus, the same as someone would for a 1.0 Focus. But as the 1.0 Focus would be more economical, I would be paying more in fuel duty.
 
Aye but surely a pay per mile rate should still vary depending on the vehicle? It's not going to be very fair if a tiny car pays the same as a luxury one weighing twice as much, or worse HGVs.
 
mmm I do between 20k and 30k miles per year, a 75p per mile charge could end costing me (or the company I work for) over £20k per year. I don't think so.
 
gman said:
Aye but surely a pay per mile rate should still vary depending on the vehicle? It's not going to be very fair if a tiny car pays the same as a luxury one weighing twice as much, or worse HGVs.
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But a heavier car will be using more fuel so paying more duty in that respect. As for HGV's no matter how that duty is collected it will be the customers who will end up paying that.
 
nilagin said:
But a heavier car will be using more fuel so paying more duty in that respect. As for HGV's no matter how that duty is collected it will be the customers who will end up paying that.
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I was going on the earlier assumption that duty (and vehicle tax) would be abolished if a PPM was introduced, it would be some outcry otherwise! lol

How about PPM just for electric cars :D
 
Gremlin said:
Black boxes fitted to cars could do away with speed cameras :)
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It would be a system where the driver has to log in before they're able to start it, that way if you have multiple drivers in your household that share a car, the speeding points go to the person driving at the time. :)
 
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