Paterson or Jobo for film developing?

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While Jobo feels like the 'superior' system and works well for me with 35mm, I can't help thinking it was easier to load 120 into the Paterson spirals. This is always a trial and regularly leads to blaspheming, especially if the film is curly and being a b*rst*rd. Or am I doing something wrong? What do people prefer, and why?
 
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They just work ;)
 
AP for the same reason as Nick, nice wide flanges help get the film on properly.

Just to throw a spanner in the works.
 
B&W? Paterson tanks, AP (or any other brand) wide-flange reels.
 
I'm gunna say paterson just so the debate stays open :D

To be fair I've never tried jobo so cannot comment on them.

I've used both AP and Paterson and have to say I've encountered no more, nor no less problems with either system.
 
Paterson, old habits die hard:)
 
My first experience nearly 30 years ago was with Paterson reels and those awful annoying little ball bearings that did nothing but jam up.

So foolishly when I started dev'ing again a few years back I had of course forgotten the anger and frustration the Paterson reels can induce and went a bought another one and after nearly 30 years they haven't got any better, they're still ****! I know all about using a pencil on the little ball bearings but I want the thing to work without me having to remember to take a pencil into the cupboard under the stairs.

I briefly had a Jobo processor and of course it came with Jobo tank and reels, what a revelation. Jobo reels in comparison to Paterson reels are a pleasure to use, sure if you've got stupidly curly film it's always going to be a ******* to load but you have a better chance with the Jobo than any other make.
 
Looks like the ****ing **** **** swear filter is working then :lol:
 
Balls....... Oh yes so it is.
 
Jobo reels have a wide flange :eek:

AP tanks are available from AG Photographic.
 
Aha, it all gets clearer. Although I can't help thinking that if I asked 'which one makes you look sexier' or 'which one will mow your lawn', then Nick would answer 'Jobo' :)
 
RaglanSurf said:
AP tanks are available from AG Photographic.
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I was only referring to the AP developing reels in my post, I've never used their developing tanks (they are interchangeable with Paterson tanks/reels).

The Jobo reels I've used are a little easier than the stock Paterson reels, but still no match for a wide-flange reel.
 
I use Paterson through habit...might check out Jobo if they are easier to load
 
I had jobo and switched to Patterson as I found the reels easier to load.
 
Patterson reels for 120, in a patterson tank and a MOD 54 for LF in a patterson tank.

Never tried a JOBO, dont find a problem with the patterson stuff at all.

Mart
 
Direct comparison - loaded a roll of b*st*rd curly Ilford 120 into a Jobo - total nightmare, PITA. Identical roll onto a Paterson reel possibly with wide flanges (they seemed slightly wider than some others) and loaded in seconds, easy. No contest - for 120, Patterson rules.

Incidentally, in ahem.. decades of Paterson reel use, I have never had any 'sticky bearings'. My advice is avoid putting jam on them.

Still use Jobo for 35mm tho.
 
any just develop in trays? Im trying to find a system for 5x4 and they all seem to take far too much liquid. The jobo's say 1.5 litres which would push costs right up. Im using 600ml for 120 film in a paterson tank at the moment.

I just thought using a tray in the bathroom would require far less chemicals and cost a lot less, tanks for 5x4 cost a packet! I dont mind sitting in a dark room for half an hour jigging things about.

I did see a paterson orbital thing on ebay which looked the business :) but it went for £130 i think! daft.
 
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essexash said:
any just develop in trays? Im trying to find a system for 5x4 and they all seem to take far too much liquid. The jobo's say 1.5 litres which would push costs right up. Im using 600ml for 120 film in a paterson tank at the moment.

I just thought using a tray in the bathroom would require far less chemicals and cost a lot less, tanks for 5x4 cost a packet! I dont mind sitting in a dark room for half an hour jigging things about.

I did see a paterson orbital thing on ebay which looked the business :) but it went for £130 i think! daft.
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You could try the taco method http://www.flickr.com/photos/digi-film/sets/72157627864733730/
 
essexash said:
any just develop in trays? Im trying to find a system for 5x4 and they all seem to take far too much liquid.
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I use a Paterson Orbital. It only does four sheets at a time but uses a tiny amount of developer compared with other systems.


Steve.
 
I haven't noticed anyone specify which Jobo reels they are swearing at, if it's the 1500 series I quite understand been there too. Although Jobo say there is no quality difference between using the 1500 and the 2500 series reels I find the larger 2500 series ones easier to load. My vote would go to Jobo for the rotary processing and the ability with the right bits to do seven rolls at once.

With regards to 5x4 I use dip dunk, it depends how much you are going to shoot and what type of film are you going to be shooting ? I have not done C41 in years so can not really comment on that but with regard to B&W people often want to use larger volumes for dilute developers so a larger volume tank would not be a disadvantage as such the discontinued HP Combiplan uses about a litre as does the Patterson with the MOD54 insert.
If you are mainly doing E6 I'm going to introduce the concept of more is less well less expensive in the long run at any rate, not much maths is required to work out that the 5L Tetanol kit is a lot more economical than the 1L one however it is not ideally suited to dip dunk as the Blix when mixed has a fairly short usable life if you actually intend to shoot quite a lot it pats to go to the Full Fuji Hunt 6 bath process. The tanks I use re the old Fotosell GL80's which take 4l this allows me to do upto 6 10x8 or 24 5x4 in one run replenished the chemistry is good for months and I also draw from the tanks to rotary process 120 in Jobo tanks.

Might not be realistic if you are not shooting that much film in which case the Mod54 is probably the best new easy option. Often Patterson Orbitals go for more than £130 sometimes you can get lucky I got a brand new in a box one for £25 which I passed on to a friend.
 
Used Paterson for years and never had a problem.
Now use Jobo and don't think they are as good but have to use them in my CPP2.

For 5x4, nothing beats a Jobo expert drum :) 100% consistency and you only need 210-300ml of chemicals.
You could try rolling a jobo tank manually and see how that works?
 
Paterson for all the reasons given above. I have use Jobo, Johnsons, Boots, Meopta and Paterson. It's all in the technique
 
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