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I want to do a nude model shoot in an old quarry (I have permission). The quarry is on private land and surrounded by a fence, however the entire area outside of the fence is public access land. From the fence public would easily be able to see in, at the nearest point the model would be 200yds from the fence. The number of people passing the fence on any one day is very small, maybe 40 at the most, and you would have a couple of yards walk from the path, to get to the fence.
I'm going to do the shoot anyway but just like to know the situation If someone complained, could I be stopped?
 
You can be asked to leave by the land owner. If you refuse to leave, you will then be trespassing and the land owner can call the police to have you removed.

I would go ahead as the chances of being stopped are near to zero. If I was the land owner, I don't think I would send you away if you were doing a nude model shoot!

As for the question: If someone complained, could I be stopped? Well, they can only complain if you were actually doing the shoot and by the time the complaint has got anywhere where anyone is interested in listening to it, you would probably have finished.


Steve.
 
You can be asked to leave by the land owner. If you refuse to leave, you will then be trespassing and the land owner can call the police to have you removed.

I would go ahead as the chances of being stopped are near to zero. If I was the land owner, I don't think I would send you away if you were doing a nude model shoot!

Steve.

I want to do a nude model shoot in an old quarry (I have permission).


*cough*
 
i'd like to volunteer myself as a look out, just incase someone tries to stop u. could also help with the model ;)
 
Just crack on with it and have a bathrobe handy for the model to cover up when and if people walk by...
 
I think you should be alright, you are on private property and have the owners permission and if someone looks over the fence, that's there fault.

Just my 2p worth
 
is it a high fence (i.e 5ft +) could you cover some of it with Tarpaulin to stop people peeking?
 
This reminds me of a story in the news from a few years ago.. a couple in a crowded train carriage got on the floor and, er, proceeded to consummate their relationship :nuts: The other passengers, in true British style, pretended not to notice.

Then the woman lit a cigarette, and someone called the police.

:)

A.
 
Just crack on with it and have a bathrobe handy for the model to cover up when and if people walk by...

That's exactly where I'm at, at the moment. I'm more curious to know what law I'd be breaking if any. I seem to remember being told once that the crime of indecent exposure only applied to men. Sounds fair to me if true :thumbs:
 
This reminds me of a story in the news from a few years ago.. a couple in a crowded train carriage got on the floor and, er, proceeded to consummate their relationship :nuts: The other passengers, in true British style, pretended not to notice.

Then the woman lit a cigarette, and someone called the police.

:)

A.

An urban myth, I presume?
 
Oh yes. I didn't read that owner's permission bit! Just do it and see what happens.


Steve.
 
Don't publish the location on facebook!!!
 
I think you should be alright, you are on private property and have the owners permission and if someone looks over the fence, that's there fault.

Just my 2p worth

They'll be off to call their mates. :D
 
Only if it's likely to cause offence - I'm sure afence was mentioned earlier!
 
it is illegal to a certain but there is ways around it is allowed

if it is in a public place it will need to be ie designated nude beach , nudists club even swimming pools / gym's are ok but if it not designated or private land then i belive indecent exposure will come in to play if on private grounds i dont think they can touch you


if you are wondering why the gym's swimming pools come into play it is because you get changed in front of other people
 
it is illegal to a certain but there is ways around it is allowed

if it is in a public place it will need to be ie designated nude beach , nudists club even swimming pools / gym's are ok but if it not designated or private land then i belive indecent exposure will come in to play if on private grounds i dont think they can touch you


if you are wondering why the gym's swimming pools come into play it is because you get changed in front of other people

That's the most helpful reply yet :thumbs:

Remind me never to mention the words "nude and public" in a thread again, seems to have a certain effect on people, or is it affect? :shake:
 
I believe the law is that the only item you could be charged with is indecent exposure.

Basically to be charged it would require the person to be flaunting their genitals at the person who is offended.
For a female, this is somewhat more difficult than a male.

This may be an over-simplification, but I seem to remember watching a documentary where someone was trying to get over inhibitions. They arranged a gathering in London, clothes not required. The police had stated that legally it must be kept decent, and this was the restriction they kept to.
 
The law of indecent exposure applies equally to females as it does to males, the whole mess of sexual offences was tidied up in 2003 so that the laws apply equally to males and females regardless of sexuality.

If I recall it relies on deliberately causing offence, so it sounds like this isn't likely to be a problem, if you attract too much attention then the models can cover up until the moment passes.

It is a criminal offence, but I can't see how an offence could be committed if it is as you describe.

You could always ask a friendly policeman but you might get some juvenile responses there too.
 
Although my offering was in jest it did contain the essence. I believe the person viewing has to have felt harrassed or offended by the nudity for there to be an offence.
 
Although my offering was in jest it did contain the essence. I believe the person viewing has to have felt harrassed or offended by the nudity for there to be an offence.

Yes, that is the only problem with the law, but the courts have always acted to stop any stupid complaints going too far.

It is a shame the footpath runs so close, the fence isn't the issue though, if you can't see it from the footpath then anybody who goes to the fence is trespassing.

PS, I thought the afence bit was funny.
 
i would be more worried about the weather its getting cooler :)
 
I just found this, not sure if it sheds anymore light on the subject....no pun intended :lol:

"The Public Order Act , 1986 is not actually about order, but disorder and violent conduct, (something you will probably never see on a naturist beach). Firstly, indecent exposure, an offence I am sure everyone has heard of. In English Law there are two types of indecent exposure and neither of them has any impact on nudity in general. The first is in Statute Law (that made by Parliament), the second in Common Law (a term which describes that which has been accepted over the centuries as being the law).

The basis of the statutory offence is that a male 'exposes his person ('legalese' for penis) with intent to insult a female'. It is a `sexual offence`, that is, there must be a sexual motive to it. For a prosecution to succeed it would be expected that the penis in question should be erect. It cannot be committed by a female although the victim must be of that sex and it must be a deliberate act. The female must also be offended by the behaviour!

It is this law that is used to prosecute the classic dirty raincoated 'flasher'. Don't worry about the much talked about (but rarely seen) 'involuntary erection' problem, this law cannot get you for that. However, it is a relatively serious offence punishable by fine or imprisonment and the police can arrest for it in certain circumstances.

The Common Law offence of indecent exposure is somewhat different This is an indecency offence, not sexual. It can be committed by either sex and no intent is necessary. Unfortunately I don`t know what indecency means - and neither does the Law - so a decision as to what is indecent is usually left to a Magistrate or a Jury. This offence is of a minor nature and could be used to prosecute a 'flasher' where the necessary intent cannot be proved.

The penalty if found guilty is to be 'bound over' to keep the Peace (see later). In practice, this charge will seldom be used, because the effect and penalty of 'conduct likely to cause a breach of the Peace' is the same and that offence does not require proof of indecency.

None of the above should ever have any effect on the practice of naturism.

The most important law effecting naturists it that of 'Breach of the Peace'. This is very old law and anyone taken before a Court will be prosecuted under the Justices of the Peace Act, 1361 - that's not a typing error, it is over 600 years old. It is still used everyday by police officers, no police officer could do his job effectively without it. 'To uphold the Queen`s Peace' is part of the oath taken by a police officer (before a Magistrate) on appointment.

This law affects naturists using traditional beaches in the most important of ways - it actually allows them to be there! I cannot recall this ever being tested in Court but if there was a case to answer it would have been tried sometime in 600 years!

So how does it work? To understand that, you will need to understand what the Peace is. The Queen's (or King's) Peace is the normal state of society and any disturbance of that Peace is a 'Breach of the Peace'. Simple!

The 'normal state of society' varies from place to place and time to time. For example, conduct perfectly acceptable at a football match would not be appreciated in a churchyard. Have you ever seen women at a jumble sale? Imagine that at Harrods, and even here behaviour at the January sales would not be acceptable at any other time. The normal state of society on a recognised naturist beach is nudity - so just by being naked you cannot disturb that state. There is, therefore, no Breach of the Peace and the police cannot stop you from enjoying your day in the sun.

Breach of the Peace is not, technically, an offence, but should you for any reason be taken before a Court for it, you would be bound over to keep the Peace for a given period of time and should you re-offend you would have to forfeit a sum of money. If you refuse to be bound over you could be sent to prison for a period not exceeding 6 months. There is no option of a fine. Most people agree! Don`t worry - as a genuine, responsible naturist this should never affect you.
 
I was at a group shoot on saturday and there were guys shooting art nude (I was t'other end and my model had kit on) and it was all on a national trust nature place (technical I know). Walkers and dog walkers were about and no one said or did anything and we were there 11-6 with lingerie stuff from 11

so odds are you'll be ok, though thats not legal advice ;)
 
I just found this, not sure if it sheds anymore light on the subject....no pun intended :lol:

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Now you need to read about the 2003 sexual offences act.

However I agree with you, there really isn't a problem.
 
if someone bowls over to complain (or get a better look) say you have permission of the owner and that they are trespassing whilst you yourself are not.
They can complain and get a better look from the fence line, if they then ask to borrow a zoom lens they're just being cheeky
sounds like there is a long distance from artistic nude and "readers wives" in quarry...
so I don't see a great deal of "indecency"
 
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