Thanks for the prompt replies guys, I had the beta version but never really looked at it to be honest, also had a corel program years ago which looks similar, never used that either,lol, I may take a punt, I recently purchased the Phlearn 101-301 as although I'm ok with photoshop, I thought I may have picked up some bad habits along the way of learning being pretty much self taught, it was quite an eye opener learning to do things more efficiently and making the workflow faster, still in 2 minds about purchasing Affinity, it's only £10 more when not on sale I think