One for the f1 fans....

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..... It has just been announced in the past couple of hours that a Formula 1 race will be held in Valencia from next year. The race will held as a street race rather that a traditional circuit.

This will now be known as the European GP, as Germany has decided to hold only one GP from now on.

As a F1 fan I can't wait :clap:
 
nice!
 
Hope it gets more success than the Birmingham attempt. Never been there, is it a goer? I really hope so.
 
Valencia is going to be one busy place with Americas Cup and now F1 :lol:
 
mindcrime said:
Great news that they are using the streets of Valencia as we don't want boring, plain F1 ruining a perfectly good Motorbike racing circuit :D. Again!!!!
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Amen to that!
 
Apparently, a night race in Singapore is in the works for next season. :)
 
Just watching the practice at Barcelona and they have ruined the last 2 corners of the track. Instead of 2 sweeping corners to get onto the home straight, they've now put in a chicane before the final corner :cuckoo:. Why? The are just ruining perfectly good circuits :help:
 
mindcrime said:
Just watching the practice at Barcelona and they have ruined the last 2 corners of the track. Instead of 2 sweeping corners to get onto the home straight, they've now put in a chicane before the final corner :cuckoo:. Why? The are just ruining perfectly good circuits :help:
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Its supposed to be to slow down the cars a little and give them the opportunity to outbreak each other and to make more mistakes therefore improving overtaking. Whether that happens is still to be seen I guess.

How are you watching the practice, all I get is live timing off formula1.com
 
It was on the Speed channel over here in Toronto. They're coverage is pretty good right up until race day when their commentators are awful; thankfully, we get the ITV feed with James Allen & Martin Brundle, so we at least get a bit of knowledge during the race ad not just waffle.
 
Could have done without a 4 week gap between races too :razz:
 
kamion said:
Apparently, a night race in Singapore is in the works for next season. :)
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a night race in a single seater will be truely terrifying for drivers and marshals alike, i dont think bernie has thought his plan through very well.


aparently for there to be a valencia GP the locals first have to vote in some right wing party, who want the race....
 
Joe T said:
WW, why would a single seater race be any worse than a GT race (e.g. Le Mans)? :)
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Good point Joe!

I've seen F1 races run in fog so thick, that you could hardly see the cars at all. Night racing would be just as safe in my opinion as racing during the day, even in good light.

Only problem I could forsee, is the huge, power sapping, and weight adding lighting kit that would have to be added.

Frankly though, I can't see the point. Why do we need a night F1 campaign??

Better during the day for spectators.
 
because the cars have headlights on them, single seaters dont, even under floorlights its difficult to see certain things (next time you drive at night even in streetlit areas things are still difficult to see), atleast a spinning lemans car would be illuminated in some way and a marshal could make a fair assumption of where it is heading, this would be much harder with an un illuminated single seater.

this whole requirement of having ight races is not to increase the specticle as it would do very little ot change that, its to make it easier to telivise as people dont seem to want to get up at 4am to watch a race around a dull and boring track, they're more likely to watch it if its on a sunday afternoon, hows about if they made the races more exciting to watch, put them on in places where the locals are actually interested and attend a race itself. and put it around truely interesting tracks where cars are capable of overtaking, people might be more willing to watch a race in the middle of the night....
 
whitewash said:
because the cars have headlights on them, single seaters dont, even under floorlights its difficult to see certain things (next time you drive at night even in streetlit areas things are still difficult to see), atleast a spinning lemans car would be illuminated in some way and a marshal could make a fair assumption of where it is heading, this would be much harder with an un illuminated single seater.

this whole requirement of having ight races is not to increase the specticle as it would do very little ot change that, its to make it easier to telivise as people dont seem to want to get up at 4am to watch a race around a dull and boring track, they're more likely to watch it if its on a sunday afternoon, hows about if they made the races more exciting to watch, put them on in places where the locals are actually interested and attend a race itself. and put it around truely interesting tracks where cars are capable of overtaking, people might be more willing to watch a race in the middle of the night....
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Sorry Whitewash, I don't buy into your 'danger' theory. If the F1 cars were fitted with lights, it would be perfectly safe, and I don't for a minute believe that any franchise holder would be daft enough to fit floodlights - that could be dangerous!

Have you ever been driving at high speed through Germany at night, then driven across the border into Holland or Belgium?? The floodlights on Motorways in Benelux are extremely disorientating, and confusing. Even more so in rain and fog.

I honestly can't see the point. I'd rather they raced during the day.
 
Apparantly the race track will be fully flood lit therefore the cars won't need any lights of any description. This has been done in Indy Car or Cart (what ever the series is now called).

I guess its a case of wait and see moire info will be out soon I am sure.
 
mindcrime said:
It was on the Speed channel over here in Toronto. They're coverage is pretty good right up until race day when their commentators are awful; thankfully, we get the ITV feed with James Allen & Martin Brundle, so we at least get a bit of knowledge during the race ad not just waffle.
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is that a different james allen to the one we get?? cant stand the bloke! mindyou he is not as bad as he used to be...

not sure on a night race myself either, and i dont like the new corner at barcelona, i cant even do those original last two on the ps3 yet!:bang:
 
dougdarter said:
Sorry Whitewash, I don't buy into your 'danger' theory. If the F1 cars were fitted with lights, it would be perfectly safe, and I don't for a minute believe that any franchise holder would be daft enough to fit floodlights - that could be dangerous!

Have you ever been driving at high speed through Germany at night, then driven across the border into Holland or Belgium?? The floodlights on Motorways in Benelux are extremely disorientating, and confusing. Even more so in rain and fog.

I honestly can't see the point. I'd rather they raced during the day.
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the cars wouldnt be fitted with lights, 2008 is all about cost cutting for f1 thus asking the teams to develop there own lights for one race would be massive (think about how much more money ferrari and mclaren would pump into it compared to back of the grid teams...), the other option would be for the fia to supply there own lights, which would work better with some teams aero packages better than others....... so it'd be the track thats floodlit rather than the cars having headlights.
 
dougdarter said:
Good point Joe!

I've seen F1 races run in fog so thick, that you could hardly see the cars at all. Night racing would be just as safe in my opinion as racing during the day.
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i presume these would be the very safe Gp races that perhaps shouldnt have taken place, such as fuji '76 (where lauda withdrew because it was dangerous and thus handed the championship to hunt), or spa '98 where they were lucky that the only injury was a sprained wrist........... very safe.

how can reduced visability be just as safe as driving during the day when light is good? :shrug:
 
matty said:
is that a different james allen to the one we get?? cant stand the bloke! mindyou he is not as bad as he used to be...

not sure on a night race myself either, and i dont like the new corner at barcelona, i cant even do those original last two on the ps3 yet!:bang:
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hes a dribbling idiot!
 
I quite enjoyed that race. Lots going on all the way through it!

Massa deserved to win - great driver in a great car!

Well done DC my man - very solid drive there, and also the driving around the lack of 3rd gear was very good. Not easy in a sequential.

Hamilton - well what can I say - the man is amazing! It's possible that Monaco will be the race that finally sees him on the top spot on the podium! As they say, he's never lost a race there, and the pace he showed today was very competitive.

However, I did lose a few £ on the race, and I got a measly few points on http://www.motorsportfantasyleagues.com/ Ah well!
 
i was for once impressed by DC, saying that i wanted nico to have him in the end, not enough laps though, i think one more lap would have allowed him past.
also impressed by kovalinen dispite the extra pitstop a solid finish, :) hes a really likable guy but you'd have to see him next to giant rally driver marcus gronholm to really emphasise how small he is!
 
Hamilton: the kid's good. :) Looking forward to his first win. Will he be the first rookie F1 champion? Was there one before?

DC: awesome drive in a Red Bull. I was routing for him when his 3rd gear failed.

Alonso: I'm glad he's not looking too happy. I bet he'll start blaming team McLaren for his situation before long.

Raikkonen: A bit of a shame he dropped out early on.

Massa: Finally he's woken up a bit and realised that Hamilton is no push over. :lol:
 
What a race... It was sort of a comedy of errors though with only 14 cars finishing. I can't wait to see what Hamilton does at Monaco and I was routing for Niko to pass. I've like Niko since his first F1 race where he gained 6 or 7 places impressive.
 
is that a different james allen to the one we get?? cant stand the bloke! mindyou he is not as bad as he used to be...
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I think he probably is just as bad as he was when he started. It's just that we've all started to become used to his uninformed, often totally wrong drivel and the way he'll make some stupid and incorrect comment about something Martin has explained in the last 60 seconds.

I have no idea why ITV continue to use him. The entire world seems to hate him and almost anyone would be an improvement. :bang:
 
Anyone know what channel I will have to get to watch F1 in the US??
 
dazzajl said:
I think he probably is just as bad as he was when he started. It's just that we've all started to become used to his uninformed, often totally wrong drivel and the way he'll make some stupid and incorrect comment about something Martin has explained in the last 60 seconds.

I have no idea why ITV continue to use him. The entire world seems to hate him and almost anyone would be an improvement. :bang:
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The thing which I find very disappointing is the technical knowledge that gets delivered throughout a race is pretty bad. We now have graphics for G'forces but thats all. I often follow the practice sessions on formula1.com and on there you get to see how is setting fastest sectors, quickest laps, personal bests etc... Throughout yesterdays race the commentry seemed to focus on who was behind who and that was all.

Maybe I am alone here, but I do think the commentry / onscreen graphics could be better
 
h.r.ford said:
Anyone know what channel I will have to get to watch F1 in the US??
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Speed Channel carries the GPs live but it's a cable channel so I've no idea what the availability will be like.

rwotton said:
Maybe I am alone here, but I do think the commentry / onscreen graphics could be better
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No, you're not alone. I'm firmly in the "shoot James Allen" camp, the number of glaring errors he makes is shocking - take Alex Wurz's retirement yesterday, the pictures show clear as day that he had his front wing jammed under the car yet we were all told it was a suspension failure :suspect:

I think putting more graphics on the screen is a bad idea though, there just isn't the screen real estate to cope - take a look at US racing for an example, you get a scrolling banner across the top and graphics along the bottom so the only live action you see is a narrow band in the centre. From a purely TV perspective the old style FOCA digital presentation is probably the best starting point, 4 separate channels including all the timing etc. With a bit of tweaking I don't see why a side by side or picture in picture version couldn't be done although it would have to be satellite or cable only.
 
I'm also in the same camp as rpstewart in regards to shooting James Allen. I presume you guys have seen sniffpetrol.com where they make t-shirts for it :p

The spanish race was kinda boring at the front with all the action taking place in the mid-field. Apart from the first turn where massa and alonso were squabbling for the same piece of tarmac.

shame about raikkonen..he missed out on the podium.

I'm undecided about the changes at Barcelona..it didn't really produce masses of overtaking did it?
 
surrealillusions said:
shame about raikkonen..he missed out on the podium.
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That was one of the best bits!

It made me laugh when Martin Brundle said that Kimmy was leaving the track because the traffic was going to be a nightmare later, just hilarious! Anyone who has ever dealt with Kimmy knows he left the circuit because he was sulking :lol:

He's notoriously difficult to deal with and needs an attitude transplant and a good kick up the bum just because it would make a lot of people, who have been on the receiving end of his tantrums, feel much better :D
 
surrealillusions said:
hehe

true about raikkonen..he's not exactly the most characteristic of people in interviews and such.

maybe it was a mixture of sulking, the bad traffic and maybe schuey wanted to talk to him later, and he ran off..

:)
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Oh yes, I bet Kimi is LOVING Michael's before-and-after-race phonecalls and his in-person consultancy service :lol:
 
Well thought in light of this weekend I'd resurrect this one. I can't wait till Sunday! I wish I could watch qualifying but I'll just have to wait for the race.

I'm going to put money on Lewis to win! Only a tenner but hey it's something.
 
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