Olympus OM-D E-M5, E-M1, E-M10 - Mk1, Mk2 & Mk3 Owners Thread

Hanley said:
So you can't assign ProCapture direct to a button, you will have to setup ProCapture on a custom setting, say C4, then assign C4 to a button, if that makes sense.
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yeah thats what ive done but i was wanting to use that custom mode for something else. it seems daft i cant assign it to a button imo. or maybe hold down the drive button and turn the wheel to select through the drives like you can with detect modes.
 
peat said:
that might be a way around it. I would rather press a button to get into procap than turn the dial.
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I think that Espen Hellend shows how you can have a button that changes to Procap, the benefit being that none of your other settings changes - rather than have a Custome mode r change the dial to pro cap. Google him and check out.
 
I bought my OM1 mk2 late last year (to eventually replace my OM1 mk1). but have only just started using it. I set up custom settings for landscapes and wildlife (C1 and C2) both set for RAW files only. On reviewing the files I discovered that part way through a "shoot" the camera has started to produce jpgs instead of raw files, with no input from myself. It happened once in C1 and once in C2.

Is this even possible?

If I've made an elementary mistake somewhere please le me know what that might be. Please be gentle.......
 
petebuster1 said:
Do you thinkwe're going to see anything new this year
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As the saying goes "those that know cannot say and others speculate".

Having said that.......a club member remarked IIRC in January that something in the OM line was coming, again IIRC, by end of March.....though show time has come & gone......but I suppose you never know :thinking:

PS nothing on the m43 rumours site and that usually picks up a sniff or two?
 
Most rumours turn out to simply be wish lists … ;)
 
Box Brownie said:
As the saying goes "those that know cannot say and others speculate".

Having said that.......a club member remarked IIRC in January that something in the OM line was coming, again IIRC, by end of March.....though show time has come & gone......but I suppose you never know :thinking:

PS nothing on the m43 rumours site and that usually picks up a sniff or two?
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Yes i think panasonic have finished with mft s far as i can see, OM going it alone. Not sure how long they can keep going tbh
 
I think it's interesting what OMS said in a recent interview:

Why OM is stuck with 20MP sensors:

Balancing high sensitivity performance and high definition is a major challenge. We also carefully evaluate the sensor readout speed, which is crucial for computational photography. For high-definition shots, the camera captures 12 images when used on a tripod. It therefore needs to read the data very quickly. We also need to maintain a smooth and responsive workflow, from image capture to saving.
Sensor read speed remains a priority. Perhaps in the future we will offer higher-resolution sensors. However, we believe the current resolution allows for much easier data management, which represents a significant advantage for our customers.
We believe that software advances help to reduce the image quality gap traditionally attributed to differences in sensor size.

To me, that statement can be taken on of two ways.

First, they are saying that 20mp is a technical barrier, that currently they are not able to overcome, that allows the faster shooting speed and all the computational photography that's built into the high end camera bodies like the OM1 II.

Or, OMS is such a relatively small purchaser of sensors, that they have no roadmap available to them for buying or developing anything with more resolution., so hyping up the capabilities of the existing 20mp sensor is all they can really do.

Either way, it looks like OMS are sort of boxed in a corner with tech. It doesn't help (as I mentioned in another post), that their once great asset (size), has been slowly eroded away over the years. With bodies like the Sony A7C II and A7CR now even smaller and lighter that not only an OM-1 but an OM-3 also, (and with massive resolution boosts) and even the main pro bodies from for eg Sony (with the A7V and A7RV) barely any larger than an OM-1 and not much heavier. Also with new lenses from the FF brigade also getting smaller and lighter, (look at the Nikon Z 400mm F4.5 and 600mm F6.3 PF for instance), and aside from Computational photography, it's becoming increasingly harder to know what Micro Four Thirds brings to the party aside from the aforementioned Computational aids, and nostalgia ?

I for one really hope that OMS, can launch a bit of a wow camera in the next few months (i.e. an updated Pen-F II) to really regenerate interest in the format, as if we are being honest, it's pretty much stagnated over the last year or so ? Not saying they aren't good pieces of equipment, but you need people to upgrade their bodies and buy lenses to keep for format alive, and for those that already own an OM-1 or an OM-3 (or to an extent an OM-5), I just don't see where current owners are going to spend their money in this system ?

I'd be really sorry to see the format totally collapse and just exist on the second hand market in the next few years, as I still believe it has potential.
 
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Sony may well be more technically advanced (if you call it that) but to me their ergonomics fall short. Personally I think we have reached a peak in sensor size/quality for the 35mm format. OM realise that, and instead are developing “twiddly bits” which may make life easier but don’t have a direct impact on quality. But I also agree that of late they have started moving away from 4/3 original benefits of smaller size and bulk which naturally drifts down to lenses. For many of their competitors, camera body sizes are reducing but pure physics prevent or at least constrain the same for lenses. It’s the whole package which should be considered, not just bodies.
 
Sony cameras are generally soulless and yes I'd agree that generally their ergonomics are worse than an OMS camera (however they are getting much better), however they do get the job done and their AF and tracking is simply magic. Out of all my bodies, for ergonomics, I'd have to say my Nikon Z bodies (all of them), beat all my Sony and OMS bodies (but only just beating the OM-1) on that score, but I fully appreciate that things like ergonomics is a very personal and subjective thing.

With regards the question on lenses, then yes of course you need to factor in the lens as well, but I just did a quick comparison of a standard lens and a telephoto lens to see the differences (and yes, I picked the closest I could find).

So for a standard 50mm F1.8 (or near equivalent) you have

Sony A7CR plus Sony 40mmm F2.5 - total combo weight - 688g
Sony A7V plus Sony 40mm F2.5 - total combo weight - 868g
Nikon Z7 II plus Nikon Z 40mm F2 - total combo weight - 875g
OM OM-1 II plus OM 25mm F1.8 - total combo weight - 735g

So only 140g between the heaviest and lightest, with the A7CR combo coming in even lighter that the MFT camera.

For telephoto

Nikon Z7 II with Nikon Z 600mm F6.3 S - total combo weight - 2,175g
Nikon Z7 II with Nikon Z 400mm F4.5 S - total combo weight - 1,865g***
OM OM-1 II with OM 300mm F4 Pro - total combo weight - 1,869g
***(shot in APS-C mode for 600mm still at 20mp)

So barely 300g between the lightest and heaviest. Now I'm not saying a Z7 II matches the abilities of an OM-1, I just chose that to show that even with Nikon, it's possible to get a 45mp full frame sensor in a body that barely and bigger than an OM-1 and only 100g heavier.

So whilst yes, there will be enormous and heavy super telephotos in the FF camp, there are lots of equivalent lenses which aren't actually that much bigger and heavier (if you look for them). Once again, I'm not wishing doom and gloom on OMS or MFT at all - I still enjoy the format, but as I said, I just think its increasingly harder for them to generate new business with many of their original advantages being eroded away, and no new products for owners to lust after.
 
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I had the opportunity to go to Simon Eardley's hide in deepest mid Wales, so I took my OM-3, OM150-600m, Panny 200mm 2.8, a borrowed OM-1 and a hired OM 50-200mm 2.8. I have to say I am very impressed by the new lens, it is almost the equal of my Panny 200mm in image quality, but with a large dose of flexibility. The hide is a really excellent setup and well worth a visit.

P1201094 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P3271834 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P1201652 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P1200760 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P3270088 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr
 
justyn_c_uk said:
I had the opportunity to go to Simon Eardley's hide in deepest mid Wales, so I took my OM-3, OM150-600m, Panny 200mm 2.8, a borrowed OM-1 and a hired OM 50-200mm 2.8. I have to say I am very impressed by the new lens, it is almost the equal of my Panny 200mm in image quality, but with a large dose of flexibility. The hide is a really excellent setup and well worth a visit.

P1201094 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P3271834 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P1201652 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P1200760 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P3270088 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr
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All excellent and good light.

They're very sharp. How much pp (denoise, sharpening) did you do on them?
 
petebuster1 said:
Yes i think panasonic have finished with mft s far as i can see, OM going it alone. Not sure how long they can keep going tbh
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That fills me with confidence lol, now I am even less sure what to do, or which way to turn.
I have an Olympus EM1 mki, that has stared playing up a little, ( black screen when turned on, also on the occasional image it is just black lol). I was looking at an upgrade to the mkii, but there are a few things in my head now, getting repairs etc, I dont have a lot invested in gear having only the Olymps 40-150 kit lens (not the "R" version) and the Sigma 60mm f2.8 DN, plus a few extras like extension tubes. Got the MFT gear for budgetry reasons, (MFT being relatively cheap on lenses) and I am still on a tight budget lol.
So do I now invest in MFT or look elsewhere ??, only use the camera for general photography, ducks, birds etc whilst walking around my local park, although I do like macro lol.
More decisions lol, and I am the most indecisive person I know. Upgrade my MFT or switch ???. I feel a headache coming lol.
 
petebuster1 said:
Yes i think panasonic have finished with mft s far as i can see, OM going it alone. Not sure how long they can keep going tbh
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What makes you say that?
OM Systems certainly do not appear to be going away, witnessed by the excellent new Pro lenses brought to market in the last 2/3 years.
In fact, it appears they are gaining momentum in the wildlife/birding community.
It would be now great to see an updated OM1!
 
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Carpy2001 said:
That fills me with confidence lol, now I am even less sure what to do, or which way to turn.
I have an Olympus EM1 mki, that has stared playing up a little, ( black screen when turned on, also on the occasional image it is just black lol). I was looking at an upgrade to the mkii, but there are a few things in my head now, getting repairs etc, I dont have a lot invested in gear having only the Olymps 40-150 kit lens (not the "R" version) and the Sigma 60mm f2.8 DN, plus a few extras like extension tubes. Got the MFT gear for budgetry reasons, (MFT being relatively cheap on lenses) and I am still on a tight budget lol.
So do I now invest in MFT or look elsewhere ??, only use the camera for general photography, ducks, birds etc whilst walking around my local park, although I do like macro lol.
More decisions lol, and I am the most indecisive person I know. Upgrade my MFT or switch ???. I feel a headache coming lol.
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If we took notice of rumours and “might happen”, then nothing would get done. The camera will still work even if OM System exited the market. In over 60 years of buying and using cameras I have never had to have one repaired. Seize the day!
 
Sootchucker said:
I think it's interesting what OMS said in a recent interview:

Why OM is stuck with 20MP sensors:

Balancing high sensitivity performance and high definition is a major challenge. We also carefully evaluate the sensor readout speed, which is crucial for computational photography. For high-definition shots, the camera captures 12 images when used on a tripod. It therefore needs to read the data very quickly. We also need to maintain a smooth and responsive workflow, from image capture to saving.
Sensor read speed remains a priority. Perhaps in the future we will offer higher-resolution sensors. However, we believe the current resolution allows for much easier data management, which represents a significant advantage for our customers.
We believe that software advances help to reduce the image quality gap traditionally attributed to differences in sensor size.

To me, that statement can be taken on of two ways.

First, they are saying that 20mp is a technical barrier, that currently they are not able to overcome, that allows the faster shooting speed and all the computational photography that's built into the high end camera bodies like the OM1 II.

Or, OMS is such a relatively small purchaser of sensors, that they have no roadmap available to them for buying or developing anything with more resolution., so hyping up the capabilities of the existing 20mp sensor is all they can really do.

Either way, it looks like OMS are sort of boxed in a corner with tech. It doesn't help (as I mentioned in another post), that their once great asset (size), has been slowly eroded away over the years. With bodies like the Sony A7C II and A7CR now even smaller and lighter that not only an OM-1 but an OM-3 also, (and with massive resolution boosts) and even the main pro bodies from for eg Sony (with the A7V and A7RV) barely any larger than an OM-1 and not much heavier. Also with new lenses from the FF brigade also getting smaller and lighter, (look at the Nikon Z 400mm F4.5 and 600mm F6.3 PF for instance), and aside from Computational photography, it's becoming increasingly harder to know what Micro Four Thirds brings to the party aside from the aforementioned Computational aids, and nostalgia ?

I for one really hope that OMS, can launch a bit of a wow camera in the next few months (i.e. an updated Pen-F II) to really regenerate interest in the format, as if we are being honest, it's pretty much stagnated over the last year or so ? Not saying they aren't good pieces of equipment, but you need people to upgrade their bodies and buy lenses to keep for format alive, and for those that already own an OM-1 or an OM-3 (or to an extent an OM-5), I just don't see where current owners are going to spend their money in this system ?

I'd be really sorry to see the format totally collapse and just exist on the second hand market in the next few years, as I still believe it has potential.
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Yes i'd agree and i hope you're right but i will be surprised if we see anything to raise the eyebrows
 
justyn_c_uk said:
I had the opportunity to go to Simon Eardley's hide in deepest mid Wales, so I took my OM-3, OM150-600m, Panny 200mm 2.8, a borrowed OM-1 and a hired OM 50-200mm 2.8. I have to say I am very impressed by the new lens, it is almost the equal of my Panny 200mm in image quality, but with a large dose of flexibility. The hide is a really excellent setup and well worth a visit.

P1201094 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P3271834 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P1201652 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P1200760 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr

P3270088 by Justyn Crane, on Flickr
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I've been considering swapping the 300mm for the newer 50-200. i have the 150-600 ?? decisions
 
Can't really help with your question Peter, but all I will say is that whilst I find myself shooting 80-90% of my wildlife and bird photos with my Nikon Z kit these days, my Olympus 300mm F4 Pro is so sharp and easy to pack, that for the 10-20% I shoot with my OM-1 I can't honestly see myself parting with it ever ?
 
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