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i have seen a thread on here where photographer's have been to prem and league grounds and they give a feed back on the ground,
so i thought why not do one for non league grounds,

- Lighting (average exposures under floodlights)
- Parking
- Food
- Hints and tips for good locations (or bad)
- Anything else you think of
 
hi andy,

i asked about non league grounds in that thread but got no reply's
so thought i would try this way
sorry might have been a bad idea
 
Not particuarly, I think!

Bad experiences from me.

Billericay - A stipler for Ryman Premier passes for entry, bit snotty about it.
Hastings - See above, plus parking outside is a pain in the butt.

The better ones.

Just been to East Thurrock, really helpful couldn't do enough. Doddle to park. Floodlights not bad, ISO 3200 @ 400 on a 70-200 2.8. Lovely old church in the background..

Kingstonian (Biased, they're my club...) Some of the best F/Lights in the division (AFC Wimbledon pay for the electric... lol). Very accomodating club for photographers. Don't eat there though, some of the most overpriced rubbish I've seen! Parking is no problem.

I'll add more as I go..
 
hi martin,

thank you very much for your feedback,

i have been to margate and they said i had to pay to get in,
even though i said i will be passing photo's onto the thanet times newspaper,
really did not want to help at all,

is there ryman league passes,

will have to go try out kingstonian ground
 
Ryman League passes are handed out to club officials. There's a fixed number per club, I would have one but we've got a couple of extra board members this year.

I don't normally have a problem with Margate, I was there a few weeks back. They have a procedure to issue a media pass, and they're hot on having a high vis jacket too. They've been pretty good with me, but it may be that they know me by now! I've covered K's games there three or four times in the last couple of years. Not the nicest ground to shoot at, they're got a row of portacabins along one side of the pitch which limits options.

If you want to do a Kingstonian game @ Kingsmeadow, give me a shout and I'll have a word with Ali our press guy.
 
I am club photographer at AFC Wulfrunians (West Midlands League) no problem needing high vis jackets but the floodlights are not brilliant,1/250th f 2.8 @ 3200 iso.Anyone fancies coming along let me know and I can probably get you in for free although it's only £4 anyhow
 
Anyone fancies coming along let me know and I can probably get you in for free although it's only £4 anyhow

If you want to do a Kingstonian game @ Kingsmeadow, give me a shout and I'll have a word with Ali our press guy.

And sometime in the near future people will wonder why it is they cant sell their images :bang:
 
Basically Garys on about protection of income, which I do respect, however in my case the only other tog there is for the local paper and the nlp so that angles covered and my work is for the club I don't outsource it anywhere.

My offer was for letting someone shoot at a different ground than they would normally do, to gain experience and maybe network abit. Everyone career started from small acorns, if the door is slammed in people's faces as they begin, how are they going to progress. I've had a lot of assistance from the togs at our local clubs, none would be put out by my offer. Obviously it's different where you work.

So thanks for the crit Gary, but the offer still stands.
 
thank you martin for your offer,

sorry if i have upset anyone about this thread,

but i did start this thread just to find out info about any non league grounds,
i have been to kent prem league grounds and some conference league grounds,
but no ryman league clubs only margate,
so thought people given advice on ground's would help,

sorry again if i have upset anyone,
 
It was the tone of the post Gary, banging head on a wall smilie? Really neccesary was it?

As I said, I totally appreciate that there are photographers that earn their living from this, and I've always been aware not to stand on peoples toes - I think the local rags only ever had two and that was when there wasn't another photographer present.

My point is that yes, whilst there should be restrictions in place it shouldn't be to the detriment of up and coming photographers and certainly shouldn't be a closed shop that is impossible to get into. I had a lot of help when I started from the local guys, that incidently I now count as good mates, and I'd like to be in the position of assisting people coming into the field - tbh it doesn't crop up very often, it's just my nature.

Obviously people's opinions differ, that's life.. It'd be boring if we all agreed all the time!
 
It was the tone of the post Gary, banging head on a wall smilie? Really neccesary was it?
But for the purpose of clarity, not really a critisism now was it, emoticons are just that, they show emotions and as such was deemed necessary by me as that was how i felt.
Basically Garys on about protection of income, which I do respect, however in my case the only other tog there is for the local paper and the
Don't assume that you know what i'm "on about" you dont, you are only about 10 percent right.
My offer was for letting someone shoot at a different ground than they would normally do, to gain experience and maybe network abit.
Might actually have been better to make yourself a little clearer in the first place as to who you were offening to

I've had a lot of assistance from the togs at our local clubs, none would be put out by my offer. Obviously it's different where you work.
There you go again, just how many wrong assumptions can you make in a single reply
Obviously people's opinions differ, that's life.. It'd be boring if we all agreed all the time!
Well we agree on this point, youre right it would be boring and if i weren't debating the point the other half would have me watching Eastenders so thanks for that.

I suspect we will have to agree to differ on the other points:thumbs:

I wont take you up on your offer though as Footballs for girls and cheats :lol:
 
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hope you don't mind me saying this,
if you do i am really sorry,
but could we get back onto the subject of non league grounds,
lighting etc,
mainly in kent,surry,sussex,london area

hope you don't mind
 
Back on topic please people
 
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Hi... I've been doing Non League Paper photos for the past three seasons or so. I generally cover matches in the Midlands so perhaps not much help to you but here goes off the top of my head....

Lighting.... well to be honest its bad everywhere at this time of year isn't it unless you're at a Conference ex-league Club ground and some of those aint great. I must admit I was surprised at the quality of Halesowen Town floodlights last time I was there though.

Parking: I hate street parking but Matlock Town wins the worst parking award for me where there isn't even any of that. I haven't been sent there this season though and I gather they have made some changes to the Stadium.

Food: I don't really eat at games but always make an exception to that rule if I'm at Kidderminster Harriers

Good Locations: I assume you mean which is the best position pitch side? There is no 'best'. Wherever you are you would have got the shot better from a different angle with a very few exceptions. These dark nights after half time you have to choose an end and hope for the best.

Anything Else: As a NLP photographer I find I am usually warmly welcomed or totally ignored. I get invited into the Boardroom, brought cups of tea at some places and at others its like getting blood out of a stone just to get a teamsheet. It doesn't bother me, I'm just there to do a job. Special mentions from this season for Mansfield who have a full colour teamsheet and provide sandwiches at half time... for Leamington probably the most friendly club in the middle of nowhere that exists and the steward at a FA Trophy game at Ilkeston Town who insisted I wasn't allowed pitch side but didn't tell me until AFTER the game! So much more but that's enough :)
 
Welcome to the forum Steve, and thanks for your helpful post. You can always add to the sticky at the top to build the "database" of grounds up :)
 
If this is to be a "sticky" for non-league grounds then could I suggest its cleaned up so the content is just info for the non league grounds.
 
I wasn't suggesting this thread was to be th sticky, just the Steve might like to add to the sticky we already have. And yes, if I had made this a sticky I would have done a thread clean
 
:lol:
 
I think Iron was asking from a personal point of view, you are welcome to also ask the same question of your area.
 
I dont think its a bad idea to start a sticky for non league grounds. There seems to be quite a few that shoot there plus with cup games handy for those who normally only cover football league.
 
I see your point, but we already have a sticky for a guide to sports stadiums, I might go through and clean it up if needed but for the moment, all stadiums and grounds should go in that. It's easy enough to then perform a search on the thread with the team you require.

I could go through and make a list of all the grounds covered and add links to the posts into the first post. I'll have to do that this evening though
 
:p
 
Just found this thread. I thought it may be useful as I shoot the games at Droylsden FC in the Blue Square North. I could add my comments but reading most of the comments I can't be bothered as they have nothing to do with the original topic.

I would say that most people shooting non league are amateurs who don't want paying but do it for the club they support.

My images are used in the programme and occasionally in a local paper. I do this free, gratis and do not feel violated. (no boring copyright thread involved) I get a credit in the paper and am happy with this.
 
Just found this thread. I thought it may be useful as I shoot the games at Droylsden FC in the Blue Square North. I could add my comments but reading most of the comments I can't be bothered as they have nothing to do with the original topic.

I would say that most people shooting non league are amateurs who don't want paying but do it for the club they support.

My images are used in the programme and occasionally in a local paper. I do this free, gratis and do not feel violated. (no boring copyright thread involved) I get a credit in the paper and am happy with this.

Oh FFS, and what exactly has this reply got to do with the original topic

Can we please lock this rubbish before it really gets out of order
 
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My images are used in the programme and occasionally in a local paper. I do this free, gratis and do not feel violated. (no boring copyright thread involved) I get a credit in the paper and am happy with this.

You may not feel violated, but I most certainly do.

It's because of people like you handing their images to local papers FoC, and for ego publishing, that I can't even get paid for covering an FA Cup or Plate match.

By all means supply your local club, there's very little wrong with that, but charge the newspaper for usage.
 
You may not feel violated, but I most certainly do.

It's because of people like you handing their images to local papers FoC, and for ego publishing, that I can't even get paid for covering an FA Cup or Plate match.

By all means supply your local club, there's very little wrong with that, but charge the newspaper for usage.

Dont bother mate, he'll be back in a few years asking why none of his local papers are willing to pay for photos or asking why photo agencies dont employ as many photographers as they used to. :bang:
 
You may not feel violated, but I most certainly do.

It's because of people like you handing their images to local papers FoC, and for ego publishing, that I can't even get paid for covering an FA Cup or Plate match.

By all means supply your local club, there's very little wrong with that, but charge the newspaper for usage.

If the local paper wants to use my photos then I will let them.
Stick to league football and national papers if you want paying as us hobbyist don't have access to photograph them games.

I am usually the only one with a camera anyway and am not taking food of your kids plates.
 
If the local paper wants to use my photos then I will let them.
Stick to league football and national papers if you want paying as us hobbyist don't have access to photograph them games.

I am usually the only one with a camera anyway and am not taking food of your kids plates.

Originally when I read your post I was going to lambast you for being mod edit: no personal insults please, you've been warned before ; but that’s probably unjustified without some form of explanation.

I’m going to write this, not in the hope that you will take any notice, but that others might read it and learn. The great irony is that you are directly attacking the OP without realising it.

Let’s take a quick look at Iron’s (the OP’s) situation:

Here we have a bloke that for the last half season, and the beginning of this one, has been desperate to get into football/sports photography.
He has asked questions on here and (mostly) followed the advice he has been given, resulting in his photos improving steadily.
From the beginning he has wanted to get his photos published and move onto higher level football.

So what’s happened?

He can get a Conference Licence (and already has one), but can’t generally get his photos published because the local papers won’t pay and the NLF paper only has so many slots available each week. Without the requisite number of published and paid for photographs he can’t progress to the next level (ie getting a basic DataCo licence), unless he works directly for a newspaper or finds an agency that will adopt him.

Effectively progression in freelance football photography is being killed off by attitudes such as yours.

The reality is that Iron (although he may not realise it yet) has, if he’s very lucky, about a 5% chance of making it into professional sports photography, and that’s mainly due to people like you who have the attitude of ‘I’m alright Jack.’

Every time a newspaper gets an FoC photo mailed through what do you imagine goes through their minds?
It’s certainly not: ‘Oooh, what a fantastic, clear, sharp, action-capturing photograph with fantastic image quality.’

Frankly they will use any muzzy old snap, because photographs equal page space, and every inch of newsprint has to be covered and paid for. If they can drop a passable image onto the page and soak up the space free of any cost, then they will, because budgets are tight at the moment.

If your photograph gets published in a local paper, and they haven’t paid for it, please don’t get the mistaken impression that you are great sports photographer and they just had to use the image. Quite the opposite; you are being taken for a mug, and your photography skills are at best passable.
It’s all very well saying; ‘Go to League Football and make your money there,’ but amateurs giving newspapers their photographs without charge are making that more and more impossible.

A further result of this will be that fewer full and part-time sports photographers are going to be prepared to pass on their hard won knowledge and experience to people such as yourself and Iron on photography forums.
The number of working sports professionals who are prepared to pass critique and advice on TP has dropped dramatically over the last 18 months; and people like you are one of the reasons.
Eventually all you will be left with is a bunch posts with inaccurate advice and suggestions, countered by a couple of lone voices who still hold out hope for the future of the industry.

As for me, I’m fine thanks, as I don’t have kids to feed. However it’s exactly this scenario that has lead to me moving into the news and editorial field (which in itself is equally hard nosed) so that I don’t have to put up with the BS ego publishing quite as much.

So in conclusion:
Well done. You really are one of the mod edit: no personal insults please, you've been warned before that is contributing to the decline of an industry, and more to the point screwing up most people’s hopes of doing this wonderful job for a living.
 
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