Nikon product press launch.

If true, what can this mean with regards to second hand prices?

I only have a D200 and would love to upgrade in order to get better ISO performance, but cannot afford to just now. Would the release of the D4 and the D800 mean that there will be a flood of second hand Nikons later in the year?
 
i would love to add D700 or D300s onto my bag if the used price is even cheaper

or maybe a used D3 :)
 
new2me said:
If true, what can this mean with regards to second hand prices?
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The short answer, without boring you, is 'relatively little' e.g. the value of a second-hand D700 is not going to suddenly depreciate 50%.

new2me said:
I only have a D200 and would love to upgrade in order to get better ISO performance, but cannot afford to just now. Would the release of the D4 and the D800 mean that there will be a flood of second hand Nikons later in the year?
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Possibly if:
1.Manufacturing has recovered from Thailand flooding and Fukushima nuclear disaster such that factory output can (and would be allowed to) outstrip demand.
2. Global recession eases- stock markets recover, confidence returns
3. UK unemployment falls, the pound strengthens and someone tackles inflation.

There's lots of other variables and even then there's lots of ins and outs to the ones mentioned but basically as always you'll have to pay what the market bears.

Look at the D700- roughly £2k when launched- dropped to around £1200/300 and now roughly £1700. I'd expect a Nikon price rise as well this year so I doubt a D800 will knock much off a D700 new or second hand for the foreseeable.
 
new2me said:
If true, what can this mean with regards to second hand prices?

I only have a D200 and would love to upgrade in order to get better ISO performance, but cannot afford to just now. Would the release of the D4 and the D800 mean that there will be a flood of second hand Nikons later in the year?
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Did see an D300 go for £450 not to long ago,a very good upgrade from the D200.

Wouldnt mine an D3s myself,but mine be a while yet before the prices drop,that i can adford :(
 
new2me said:
If true, what can this mean with regards to second hand prices?

I only have a D200 and would love to upgrade in order to get better ISO performance, but cannot afford to just now. Would the release of the D4 and the D800 mean that there will be a flood of second hand Nikons later in the year?
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Yes, I think there will be more high end Nikon bodies on the second hand market when the D4 is announced. And with all supply and demand things, if there are more D3/D3s cameras on the market than people wanting them the price should fall.

With regards the D800 - if the specs are accurate,I don't think there will suddenly be a glut of D700/D3/D3s cameras on the market. The D800 is supposedly a high megapixel camera which might not necessarily appeal to the average D700/D3/D3s shooter.

Of course it's all speculation but Nikon Rumours is usually very good with these things.
 
I would think that most D3s users will have the same attitude as me, in that the D4 is going to have to be a huge improvement (is that possible?) for us to even consider parting with the D3s.
I would however replace the D300 with another full frame. :naughty:


Kev.
 
ryanyboy said:
Yes, I think there will be more high end Nikon bodies on the second hand market when the D4 is announced. And with all supply and demand things, if there are more D3/D3s cameras on the market than people wanting them the price should fall.

With regards the D800 - if the specs are accurate,I don't think there will suddenly be a glut of D700/D3/D3s cameras on the market. The D800 is supposedly a high megapixel camera which might not necessarily appeal to the average D700/D3/D3s shooter.

Of course it's all speculation but Nikon Rumours is usually very good with these things.
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I still think regardless of what announced on Friday, we won't see the D4 as available to buy till after the olympics. Every example of the body will go to those coving that event.

I question just how accurate the d800 specs on NR actually are. At 36mp you'd start to get into diffraction softness issues with most of the current lens line up from relatively large apertures and the MTF curves of the lenses don't always support 36mp. The rumoured version with the AA filter removed would offer no advantage for these reasons and I can't see them doing it.

Nikon rumours isn't very good with these things - if you guess widely and often enough sooner or later you'll be right and thats about all they manage. They've ben predicting the D4 &/or D800 launch every month since last september. Sooner or later they'll be right, although until the start of this year they were saying the d800 would be ahead of the d4.
 
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I agree with you on the D800 specs Hugh. Going from a 12mp D700 to a mighty 24 - 36mp D800 is a bit of a wild leap isn't it.

However I've found NR to be pretty good when the announcements are just around the corner. Yes there's lots of wild guesses in the early days but I think at this stage he's going to be proved pretty accurate. We'll know by Saturday.

With regards to release I imagine Nikon will want to get the D4 out at the same time as the D1X or sooner. Both brands want them out before the other for obvious reasons. You could be right about the olympics thing but I'm sure they'll be several left for other professions. Time will tell….
 
Whatever they release, I'm hoping the specs on video on Nikon Rumors are incorrect as they are still sub par compared to Canon- I'd like to think Nikon could at least attempt to push the boat out and lead from the front. There's lots of exciting frame rates out there:lol:
 
ryanyboy said:
With regards to release I imagine Nikon will want to get the D4 out at the same time as the D1X or sooner. Both brands want them out before the other for obvious reasons. You could be right about the olympics thing but I'm sure they'll be several left for other professions. Time will tell….
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true, but available to buy, and commonly in the shops aren't the same thing. It'd be a right marketing balls up if the D4 was on sale and there weren't enough for the olympics. Nikon were put back maybe a year by events in Japan and Thailand last year so I suspect they'll be careful handling this release.

They've not normally tied their launches to Canon's and theres probably no need with this one. We'll see
 
It will be the new D4 and/or the new 85mm f1.8.

Mystic Smeg has spoken!

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boyfalldown said:
I question just how accurate the d800 specs on NR actually are. At 36mp you'd start to get into diffraction softness issues with most of the current lens line up from relatively large apertures and the MTF curves of the lenses don't always support 36mp. The rumoured version with the AA filter removed would offer no advantage for these reasons and I can't see them doing it.
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Most modern lenses can 'support' 36MP quite happily. Even a lot of old ones can, if you're purely after resolution.
 
ryanyboy said:
wildlife shooters are gonna love the F8 auto focus points.

ETA feb apparently
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Great! Someone's been clever. Just as Canon kill off their f/8 AF, Nikon introduces it!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
 
My take on this.... There aren't many D700s nationwide on shop shelves lying unsold... The Japanese earthquake saw to that with the Fukushima plant. Supply has been intermittent for the last year or so.

The D800 will be full retail at launch, and will probably see a moderate price rise anyway (when was the last time Nikon released a new SLR or lens product that was cheaper than the outgoing model?).

Plus, if the rumour mill is to be believed then the D800 is not a D700 replacement anyway, more a D3X replacement, which means the options for full frame high speed is the D4, which is likely to have a 4 at the start of the list price.

So, new 'old' stock might sell out reasonably quickly, and once more the D700 supply will be outstripped by demand. I wouldn't be surprised to see the D700 hold it's secondhand value very well indeed.

Of course, this is pure speculation so time will tell...
 
You simply can't tell what this will do to D700 prices......the answer depends on three things

1) Price of replacement
2) Supply of new camera
3) Specification of new camera

If it's a big step forward it will definitely impact prices but only once there is a decent supply.....people will trade up to it. The D700 will still be a fantastic camera but obviously as people trade them in they have to find a home.
 
ausemmao said:
Most modern lenses can 'support' 36MP quite happily. Even a lot of old ones can, if you're purely after resolution.
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The mtf curves suggest the camera would outresolve the lenses in many cases. Even then you get diffraction issues at f/8 onwards.
 
boyfalldown said:
The mtf curves suggest the camera would outresolve the lenses in many cases. Even then you get diffraction issues at f/8 onwards.
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They don't suggest such, not even close. A 36MP Bayer sensor has about 70-80lp/mm as it's best case resolution (the proper limit is nearer 60 if you're wanting orientation independent resolution). That's basically the same as a D7000 (to within hundreds of pixels.

Looking at photozone's tests on even OLD, poorly corrected designs like the 85mm 1.8 show them to be sensor limited. That's aside the optics theory - diffraction already affects every aperture, and the point where a sensor would actually be diffraction limited - where it would no longer gain resolved detail from more pixels - is up in the hundreds of megapixels for FF.

There may not be that much use for the resolution unless you're wanting to go nose close to a 3 foot print, but it's there from the lenses if the sensor tech gets there.

I'm not saying that there's resolution to be gained at f22 :p But from wide open to optimum, there's lots to be had. And even past optimum, there's a fair bit to be had as the hard limit for diffraction is a fair bit past where the image starts to degrade - if you took a picture with a 24mp sensor that had resolution peak at f/8 say, taking the same picture with the same lens at f/8 with a 36mp sensor would still show more resolution for the 36MP sensor.
 
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That's the first picture of the back of th camera I've seen. I see they've put in a second joystick so you can change focus points when shooting in portrait orientation. Good move.
 
So, anybody understand what the reference to the D800 is saying by any chance?
 
gad-westy said:
So, anybody understand what the reference to the D800 is saying by any chance?
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Basically the piece says that all the world is awaiting the replacement for the D700 but this is not it. The writer surmises that some features from the D4 will be carried over to the D800, as and when it appears. there is also some comment about production capacity for a more mass-market (semi-pro) unit like the D700/800.

I don't think that I will be rushing out to bin my D700, it was a great camera yesterday and it will be a great one in six months too. ;)

I wonder if this announcement will affect the value of my Nikon F? :lol:
 
gad-westy said:
So, anybody understand what the reference to the D800 is saying by any chance?
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Basically the piece says that all the world is awaiting the replacement for the D700 but this is not it. The writer surmises that some features from the D4 will be carried over to the D800, as and when it appears. There is also some comment about production capacity for a more mass-market (semi-pro) unit like the D700/800.

I don't think that I will be rushing out to bin my D700, it was a great camera yesterday and it will be a great one in six months too. ;)

I wonder if this announcement will affect the value of my Nikon F? :lol:
 
Pete Taylor said:
Basically the piece says that all the world is awaiting the replacement for the D700 but this is not it. The writer surmises that some features from the D4 will be carried over to the D800, as and when it appears. There is also some comment about production capacity for a more mass-market (semi-pro) unit like the D700/800.

I don't think that I will be rushing out to bin my D700, it was a great camera yesterday and it will be a great one in six months too. ;)

I wonder if this announcement will affect the value of my Nikon F? :lol:
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Merci :)
 
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