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I am looking to buy myself a new DSLR, I used a Nikon F4 previously, then had a Nikon Coolpix 5700. Now I am not sure whether to go for Nikon D90, D7000 or Canon 650D or 60D. I will be using it to do Studio photography as well as Landscapes. Would just like some of your thoughts, pros and cons of them as I am sure some of you have owned these and can give me some guidance. Having a quick hands on in a shop is no substitute for peoples experiences.
 
jethart said:
Having a quick hands on in a shop is no substitute for peoples experiences.
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I beg to differ. Only you have your hands, only you know if the different cameras fit comfortably in them. Only you know if the buttons are located in comfortable positions for your fingers and thumbs.

You will get great comments about all the cameras you mentioned, but that's from other people, it doesn't help you decide what's right for you.

They are all good at what they do, and all roughly in the same market, so it's comes down purely to how they feel in your hand, and how you find the menu systems and ergonomics.
 
Either or. It really does depend on which feels better in hand, whatever you choose is going to be in those hands for a long time.

Do you think you're going to get completely non-bias suggestions from either camp? It's like asking who you should support! United or Liverpool! :D

I support neither btw ;)
 
They both work. I hated Canon when I picked one up, preferred Nikon. Do you know anyone with a camera to let you have go? Having a poke in the shop is one thin, but actually having an hour or two to take shots is entirely different!
 
Personally I use Canon so I reckon they are the best - right that"s the bovine droppings out of the way!
When I started with the Canon system they made the best cameras, then Nikon were better! Now it seems to be changing again - maybe?
They are BOTH very good and produce a wide range of lenses, as well as the 3rd party alternatives. I would suggest you have a look at the camera models within your budget then go home, have a look at some reputable reviews the go back and buy the one you feel suits your needs. If you have friends who are photographers then go and have a play with their camera gear and see what you think. You really cannot get it wrong with Canon or Nikon they are both excellent systems - it is a case of which YOU prefer!
If you encounter people who tell you one system is light years ahead of the other then politely excuse yourself! It can be catching!
Good luck choosing, and remember once you have decided don't look back just go and get some great shots.
 
Canon > Nikkon

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johnf3f said:
When I started with the Canon system they made the best cameras, then Nikon were better! Now it seems to be changing again - maybe?
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Someone had to ... how do you figure? Nikon are still ahead by all accounts ;) :P

Nah, I don't think anyone can go wrong buying into FX systems from either camp these days. There was a time when I would have switched to canon in a heart beat if I could afford the 5D mk II. I was interested in trying some videography and Canon were streets ahead on that front. But I couldn't afford it, and stuck with my D200, and then D90. I'm happy enough now that I stayed, as I think personally that the D800 and D4 are the best FX cameras ever made, to date. Bar none. And obviously those who went with Canon will say the same about the 5D mk III and 1DX.

Nobody loses on the FX side, so long as you have the money.
 
TCR4x4 said:
I beg to differ. Only you have your hands, only you know if the different cameras fit comfortably in them. Only you know if the buttons are located in comfortable positions for your fingers and thumbs.

You will get great comments about all the cameras you mentioned, but that's from other people, it doesn't help you decide what's right for you.

They are all good at what they do, and all roughly in the same market, so it's comes down purely to how they feel in your hand, and how you find the menu systems and ergonomics.
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Canon better ;)
 
Cagey75 said:
Someone had to ... how do you figure? Nikon are still ahead by all accounts ;) :P

Nah, I don't think anyone can go wrong buying into FX systems from either camp these days. There was a time when I would have switched to canon in a heart beat if I could afford the 5D mk II. I was interested in trying some videography and Canon were streets ahead on that front. But I couldn't afford it, and stuck with my D200, and then D90. I'm happy enough now that I stayed, as I think personally that the D800 and D4 are the best FX cameras ever made, to date. Bar none. And obviously those who went with Canon will say the same about the 5D mk III and 1DX.

Nobody loses on the FX side, so long as you have the money.
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At the top end they all have their pros and cons - 5D3 iso and fps, D 800 resolution it's a bit of a toss up on AF - they are both good. I would probably prefer the D 800 for my second body (as it would rarely, if ever, be used at high iso) however my lenses would fall off so it's a no go!
D4 vs 1DX I currently read (can't afford - or want- either at the moment!) the DX shades it - but for how long? They are both excellent cameras but I won't be buying either as they don't have a 1.3 crop sensor - I simply cannot afford to trade my 600MM F4 IS for an 800 and loose an F stop as well!
 
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Cagey75 said:
Where did you read that the MK III beats the D800 in ISO performance? DXO mark covered all areas. The D800 pretty much stomped the 5D MK III in every way, by a long shot. That's not Nikon fan talk, it's facts and figures.

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/04/19/dxomark-verdict-nikon-d800-95-canon-5d-mark-iii-81.aspx/

I think the MK III only has the edge in fps and maybe video, neither interest me.
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The D800 does not 'stomp' the mk3 in high ISO.

It's good for what it is and there isn't that much between them, the canon is clearly better.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/33

And regarding earlier about Nikon being better...

Their Mk3 is ahead of the D800.

The 1DX is ahead of the D4.

There isn't a huge amount in it but if I have to pick camera bodies at the moment I'd say Canon are edging the game slightly.

What Nikon do have better without a doubt is budget lenses.
 
Phil, you're coming across strongly as a bit erratic over numerous threads. The proof is there in the numbers, stop arguing nonsensically with rubbish.

The D800 not only stomped the 5D MK III in actual testing, it put it into a deep coma.

The link you gave there doesn't even make sense. It's a D800/D800E comparison.

Both D800 & 5D MK III score the exact same on the very loose dpreview, I think I'll just take DXO's more scientific comparison as a better indication, thanks.
 
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If you wear a man utd top or shoot weddings or walk around in high heels then Nikon.. otherwise canon.

No seriously ..some of my best mates have nikon ...
 
Cagey75 said:
Phil, you're coming across strongly as a bit erratic over numerous threads. The proof is there in the numbers, stop arguing nonsensically with rubbish.

The D800 not only stomped the 5D MK III in actual testing, it put it into a deep coma.

The link you gave there doesn't even make sense. It's a D800/D800E comparison.

Both D800 & 5D MK III score the exact same on the very loose dpreview, I think I'll just take DXO's more scientific comparison as a better indication, thanks.
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Go back to the link and you will see there is a canon 5D mk3. You can see the noise for yourself in both cameras.
 
Lol, just did. The D800 looks cleaner.

You can go visit some demented Canon fanboy forums around the net, or the bias reviews from Canon users ... it's nothing new. The fact is, the D800 outclasses it in every way outside of fps [useless to non-sports 'togs] and debatable over which is better for video [no serious photographer is really concerned over video quality, which is why you'll see people opt for the D3s over the D800 ... as that actually has a chance of beating it at higher ISO]

Trust me, if the 5D mk III was a clear and out right better camera, in every way. It would be my next choice. I'm tied to no make or model. I can change very easily. But I'll stay with the better option thanks.
 
It's either a case of my eyesight is incredibly poor, or there's a bit of standing by one's post because I can't tell a significant difference. I'd have to look REALLY hard at the higher ISO's (I'm looking at 12800 now) and the difference is a hairs width.

How about if you take 16 continuous RAW shots on the D800, you have to wait 2minutes before you can even focus...the file size is not that huge between them, the buffer is clearly better on the canon.

The canon has a higher resolution screen.

The canon has much more focus & cross focus points.

That being said, the D800 has many points to it's merit as well.

I just think it's a bit harsh to the mk3 to say the d800 kicks its butt on everything bar fps because in reality, they are a very close match.
 
i've tried both but i went with Nikon as i found canons a bit of a cack handed ergonomic disaster :gag:
they are both very capable systems & are tools that will get the job done but for me the Nikon interface just felt more intuitive & worked straight away :thumbs:

also, who says it has to be canon or Nikon? what about Pentax & Sony :shrug:


mind you if choosing between 2 is hard then doubling the choice wont help :bonk:
 
Just be open minded and try both (even try Sony and Pentax and so on) All of them will get you a good photo and all of them are much of a muchness.
It is all about preferences and nobody is right or wrong.

Not sure I am unusual (my wife tells me I am!) but I couldn't care less what make the camera is and can happily use any of them. I will just adapt to where the buttons are, how the screen is laid out, what functions there are etc,.
The only thing I have found to make a real difference to me is the size, shape and materials of the grip as they all differ. Of the 3 DSLRs I have used for extended period (20D was great, A700 okay, 1100D worst) but even then the camera I own and use quite a lot is the one that was worst so that can't even matter that much!
 
Cagey75 said:
Where did you read that the MK III beats the D800 in ISO performance? DXO mark covered all areas. The D800 pretty much stomped the 5D MK III in every way, by a long shot. That's not Nikon fan talk, it's facts and figures.

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/04/19/dxomark-verdict-nikon-d800-95-canon-5d-mark-iii-81.aspx/

I think the MK III only has the edge in fps and maybe video, neither interest me.
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Im a nikon shooter but in every thread your the one that sounds like a nikon fan boy trolling. Use DXO's results all you want be but from the many realworld photos the 5dmk3 seems to edge ahead in iso. yeah the d800 trumps it in DR and shadow recovery. but the 5d seems like the better all rounder.


Anyway you best to try them for yourself. when i started i could only afford a mid level camera. And the nikon d90 had the edge over the canon for the same price. If i was starting over and wasnt used to a nikon set up i would probably go canon
 
Those in the Nikon camp are going to say get a Nikon and Canon users will say the same about Canon. It all boils down to what you get used to really. Both makes produce just as good quality photos its down to which features in the menu suits you best.

Look a little further and check out lens comparisons, this could sway you more to one make than the other. Having said that again ask yourself why there are adapter rings so Nikon lenses can fit different camera makes. Does this mean, with no disrespect to Canon owners, that Nikon lenses have the edge? Don't think I have seen adapter rings for Canon lenses.

Then there is the question of accessories and their costs, a lot of similar questions forget anything beyond the actual camera purchase.

Realspeed
 
Why the hell are you all arguing about the D800 vs 5D AGAIN?

This thread was started about the d7000,d90,60D and 650D.

Why can't people just answer the question instead of starting stupid pointless arguments that help no one in every thread?
 
TCR4x4 said:
Why the hell are you all arguing about the D800 vs 5D AGAIN?

This thread was started about the d7000,d90,60D and 650D.

Why can't people just answer the question instead of starting stupid pointless arguments that help no one in every thread?
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Yes the OP was asking about differences in crop cameras ;)

he was talking about studio and landscapes so would have thought that any of the cameras he was thinking of getting would be excellent tools for the job:)
 
jethart said:
I am looking to buy myself a new DSLR, I used a Nikon F4 previously, then had a Nikon Coolpix 5700. Now I am not sure whether to go for Nikon D90, D7000 or Canon 650D or 60D. I will be using it to do Studio photography as well as Landscapes. Would just like some of your thoughts, pros and cons of them as I am sure some of you have owned these and can give me some guidance. Having a quick hands on in a shop is no substitute for peoples experiences.
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Based on what you want to use the camera for I would probably suggest a used Canon 5dmkII. They can be got at really reasonable prices and would suit for what you want to shoot.

Just don't try using them for anything that moves.

:nikon:
 
realspeed said:
Those in the Nikon camp are going to say get a Nikon and Canon users will say the same about Canon. It all boils down to what you get used to really. Both makes produce just as good quality photos its down to which features in the menu suits you best.

Look a little further and check out lens comparisons, this could sway you more to one make than the other. Having said that again ask yourself why there are adapter rings so Nikon lenses can fit different camera makes. Does this mean, with no disrespect to Canon owners, that Nikon lenses have the edge? Don't think I have seen adapter rings for Canon lenses.

Then there is the question of accessories and their costs, a lot of similar questions forget anything beyond the actual camera purchase.

Realspeed
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It could be that there is a demand, so people who have already bought into the expensive Nikon club can keep their expensive lens and bin the Nikon camera :lol::lol::lol::lol:
just a thought :lol:
 
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To the OP - honestly, it doesn't matter.

We're in a period of incredible digital camera performance that's going to get better still.

I'm a Nikon shooter by accident - I was bought a Nikon film camera and so stuck with Nikon for digital because my old lenses would work. I love Nikon and the quality I get but if I'd been bought a Canon EOS film camera all those years ago, I'm sure I'd be delighted with Canon.

Have a look at Sony and Pentax too. It doesn't have to be just the big two - you may find that the ergonomics of "the smaller two" suit you better. And there's some great legacy glass out there (both Pentax and Minolta AF for Sony) that would mean you could build a decent set-up quite cheaply.

My £0.02.
 
The real truth is that if you go put a Nikon around your neck it acts like the lynx effect in those TV adverts, beautiful people will throw themselves at you, you will radiate charisma and appeal, in fact your whole life will instantly be changed for the better in every conceivable way......!

Ok to be serious though I can only echo the sentiments of the other posts in the thread.

Ergonomics do often play a major part in how you get on with a camera, many people go into a camera shop with their heart set on one brand, only to walk out with another because it felt better!
 
I think for landscape & studio work then it makes very little difference. As others have said, try them out and see what you prefer.

Personally I find the ergonomics of the Canon a bit weird and I don't get on with it. The menus don't seem intuitive and the insistence of using TV/AV for shutter/aperture irrationally annoys me!

That said....Nikon do not have the equivalent of the 70-200 f4 L lens. Given I doubt you will need such a lens for studio & landscape, I can't see it making any difference at all.
 
Oh come on!!

Just go out and buy a Canon...............:thumbs:
 
TCR4x4 said:
Why the hell are you all arguing about the D800 vs 5D AGAIN?

This thread was started about the d7000,d90,60D and 650D.

Why can't people just answer the question instead of starting stupid pointless arguments that help no one in every thread?
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the same thing happened in the Leica thread. :shrug:
it just became a massive argument about manufacturing cost vs percieved/actual value between those who saw each other as the "haves & have nots" :bonk::bang:
 
Here we go again!

To the op, I have used both systems and used right both systems produce the goods, it really is down to you and how the cameras feel in your hands.
 
pmac said:
Im a nikon shooter but in every thread your the one that sounds like a nikon fan boy trolling. Use DXO's results all you want be but from the many realworld photos the 5dmk3 seems to edge ahead in iso. yeah the d800 trumps it in DR and shadow recovery. but the 5d seems like the better all rounder.
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I don't troll thank you very much. Just because I post to disagree with silly random comments like "Canon is bestest ignore DXO" etc .... doesn't make me a fanboy. I like to state facts is all. I could just as easily have gone the Canon route, it was between a 40D & D200 at the time, I made a choice, simple. Nothing against either make or any of their models. The truth is, Nikon have pulled ahead. It's just fact. Deal with it in your own way, shouting fanboy at anyone who pushes the fact is just plain silly.


And agree, none of you are actually helping the OP. As I said from the off, go and get a feel for which suits best. I certainly never said "Go NIKON!!!1111" ... see?
 
Tirpitz said:
the same thing happened in the Leica thread. :shrug:
it just became a massive argument about manufacturing cost vs percieved/actual value between those who saw each other as the "haves & have nots" :bonk::bang:
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Massive argument or healthy discussion? The problem with forums is that some people like to have a heated debate while others don't. I have debated every point since I was about 14 and for me it is the best way to learn and challenge my thinking. I actually learnt from the Leica thread and now accept what makes up a lot of the costs.

However, putting a question out there "which is best - Canon or Nikon" is about as close to trolling on a camera forum as you can get and is very unlikely to get anywhere or for anyone to learn from it.
 
Phil Young said:
In all seriousness there should be a sticky to answer this kind of question because every single one gets derailed and I'm sure many of us expect it to.
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Or another way would be for people to engage their brains disengage their over inflated egos and stop derailing other people’s threads. Seriously it is rather pathetic to often see the same people over and over behaving in this way.

To the original poster as mentioned the cameras are very similar in performance so your best way of determining which to go for would be to go off price and/or how comfortable the cameras feel to you.
 
Shoot what feels best in your hand.

For me I nearly jumped ship to Nikon (until the dx changed my mind to stay) however I still considered the d4.

It just didn't feel as comfortable in my hand and when I'm shooting that means alot to me.

I'm not saying go buy a 1dx or d4 before someone starts trying to create an argument I'm giving my opinion on the two systems which I tried and why I made a decision that I did.
 
stormcrow said:
Or another way would be for people to engage their brains disengage their over inflated egos
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fighting to the death over the choice you made when buying a camera is more about insecurity that inflated ego. People need to feel and continually convince themselves they made the right choice and have the best they could.
That is why the argument never goes away.

Bit of armchair psychology there...
 
stormcrow said:
Or another way would be for people to engage their brains disengage their over inflated egos and stop derailing other people’s threads. Seriously it is rather pathetic to often see the same people over and over behaving in this way.
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You're keeping it going ... irony much? That kind of arrogant post just sparks retaliation [from others, I don't care] That holier than thou attitude. Seems common on here.

I think the OP has gotten about all the advie they're going to get here. This forum seems to have issues about letting threads just die when they go awol.
 
Cagey75 said:
You're keeping it going ... irony much? That kind of arrogant post just sparks retaliation [from others, I don't care] That holier than thou attitude. Seems common on here.
I think the OP has gotten about all the advie they're going to get here. This forum seems to have issues about letting threads just die when they go awol.
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It's ironic that you were the person to begin the d800 discussion that derailed the thread in the first place. :bonk:
Oh and well done on keeping the off topic discussion going :bang: :lol:

The original poster may want to look at the following site as you can compare images of a range of different cameras just in case image quality is one of the things that will help you decide. http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
 
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